HOW LONG...do we have to wait ANTI-IRAQ INVASION PROTESTORS

[KoKo]

to have folks understand why we spent our time doing what we did? How long before our PARTY will recognize us...Is it coming?

[VotefurKerry]

1. No

Kerry and Edwards have said removing Saddam was a good thing.

[wuushew]

2. And Dean said it wasn't

Dean was right

[ayeshahaqqiqa]

3. It will come one person at a time

At a political meeting this Sunday, one of the folks who demonstrated with me before the war said that he recently had a chat with a neighbor, who had been pro Bush. The fellow conceded that we demonstrators had been right all along.

[FlemingsGhost]

4. No. In the end, we are politically "homeless."

The long-term reprecussions will not be in the DLC's favor.

[G_j]

11. politically "homeless."

sad, but that is a very accurate description.

While the elite media mouths discuss what went wrong from their comfortable ivory towers, we don't exist.
They will call upon one more 'expert' to blow hot air and act wise, while the wisest remain invisible.

It is a club and we don't belong to it.

[MnFats]

12. when i read this exchange for some reason i immediately thought...

of a song, "Homeless," by the South African a cappella band, Ladysmith Black Mombazu.

it has a chorus that goes

"homeless, homeless
many dead tonight
it could be you."

i hope it's not prophecy...
the restof the song should be online someplace.

[Kanary]

20. "politically homeless" -- about to reply, saw your reply

There are some phrases that just resonate.

"It's a club, and we don't belong"

Meanwhile, the media mouths discuss, and deaths and destruction escalate.

Gawddess, sometimes I *hate* being right!!!

Kanary, who would like to find *one* sensible club to belong to before fading into the sunset...

[G_j]

26. and you know whats scary

I think the BFEE have a 'club' that intimidates and frightens even the good 'ol boy country club crowd that we are traditionally used to having in control.
So it seems like we are fighting just to get back to the old elitist
status quo. How sad.

[MnFats]

5. the college campuses should have ignited....

...as they did in May 1972, when millions of students went on strike after the mining of Haiphong Harbor and shut down hundreds of campuses....and many communities, too.

of course that followed the explosive demonstrations in May 1970 after the Ohio National Guard murdered four students...one of whom was walking to class and had nothing at all to do with the protest.


perhaps by next spring they will again. does anybody seriously believe we'll be out of Iraq by then?

[VotefurKerry]

7. At a school I know of the anti-war protestors had a rally and

they were laughed at by everyone else. Only about 50-60 people showed up, maybe a little more.

[MnFats]

8. that's a start.

anti=vietnam protests started on most campuses with a couple dozen people in 1967-68. Within three years hundreds of thousands were marching on Washington D.C.
never worry about being laughed at. it's who has the last laugh that's important.

And hey, welcome to DU

[VotefurKerry]

10. Thanks

n/t

[Ardee]

6. you MUST be joking?

Your party has deserted you (I'm assuming you to be a progressive, a liberal or a moderate) long ,long ago......

To actually applaud the anti war protesters would be to denigrate the neo-con DLC path that this leadership has taken...the path the led directly to irelevancy....cant piss off the military industrial complex now can we, that might lead to fewer juicy contributions!

[GreenArrow]

9. they will get NOTHING

.

[ladybugg33]

13. But they may very well have stopped the next invasion!

think on the bright side.

[tinanator]

14. wait and see

college students these days are SO miseducated and indoctrinated into the post Reagan/BUSH way of thought, they are dumb as rocks in general, with many shining jewels mired in their surroundings. You CAN NOT leave it up to the students these days. It is up to you.

[KoKo]

16. I think we did...they would have moved over border into Iran/Syria..if we

hadn't the WORLD OVER raised our voices. They won't admit it...but the world and US is worried about "unrest within their own borders." We sent a signal the hugest last one at the RNC Convention where blocks of Protestors well over the 200,000 miniman protestors sent a big signal...BEWARE...WE ARE HERE...WE ARE WATCHING YOU...

They won't acknowledge..but then they don't about anything...but in their hearts and focus groups ...they KNOW..JMHO, here..

[KoKo]

15. kick

:kick:

[paulk]

17. how has your party not recognized you?

If we'd had a Democrat in the White House two years ago, do you think we'd be in Iraq now?

I don't understand what you're trying to say...

[KoKo]

25. Our Democratic party didn't send folks to support us and didn't want to

hear from us...that we were out there protesting against Iraq Invasion. To my knowledge only Dennis Kucinich and Al Sharpton appeared at the main Anti-Iraq Invasion Protests and the local protests all over the country were absent Dem Senators or House Members supporting us.

We were cast aside in the name of WAR!

[paulk]

27. the biggest anti war rally I went to locally

my representative wasn't there (Diana DeGette) - but she did have people at the rally who made it clear she supported what we were doing. So I didn't feel abandoned.

I think a lot of politicians were reluctant to attend protests sponsored by ANSWER (specifically) because of it's rather extreme leftist associations. Some of the protests I went to made me uncomfortable because I felt their focus excluded more moderate viewpoints (I'm talking about the choice of speakers). I felt there was a lot of anti-Americanism - and I didn't feel that was the right message. Too often the whole affair turned into a "leftist" rally, and I felt that really narrowed the audience the protest's were trying to reach.

It was frustrating that more elected officials didn't step forward, however. It seemed like the 2002 election debacle had really spooked them. Hopefully that's all changing -

[ThoughtCriminal]

18. They're still attacking Vietnam War protesters

like that war was good idea.

[Rabelais]

19. I have some bad news for you.

Our Party will never recognize us.

[KoKo]

22. We must work no matter how long it takes, until they do, though. They

don't want to. But it's OUR energy who's helping Kerry. Without the ABB/Get Them Out...who would give the "energy."

I know what you say. Never...but we gotta change that scenario...In my dark moments I give in and say..never. So, I hear you. I just have to believe that "never" is what some folks want...but in the end..it isn't what they are going to get..if we can "hang together" ..those of us who KNEW IT WAS ALL A LIE! :shrug:

[kohodog]

21. We may never get a thank you,

But our actions have made a difference. If the antiwar folks were silent we wouldn't be where we are today. The people of the world are the other superpower, and our voices have made a difference. While we may never get credit, we have made a change.

[KoKo]

24. I agree....just would like a word or two somewhere out there. But, better

to have made a difference with "No Thanks," than not to have tried.

Some things just are never able to be credited...sadly. Not that we were looking for "pats on the back." No one can give us back our "time," either.

But for the "future" it would help for just a few words about how they
lied in "under reporting us...or not reporting us at all."

[lostnfound]

23. Two weeks after Instant Runoff Voting becomes nationwide.

In other words, never.