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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 09:04 AM
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We only have a month to go and * is toast: we won't have anything to DO
I imagine we will feel like the Clinton haters only we had real reasons for it. We have been obsessed with this evildoer for the last four years--I have been for at least two.

Oh sure, we have up 'til inauguration day to lambaste them all but after that, well, it'll be like having a child leave home for college--a retarded child but you get the point. :evilgrin:

So what's to do when * is gone?
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liberalitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 09:05 AM
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1. Oh no, he's not done yet....
this may be one dead horse we can never stop flogging....
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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 09:11 AM
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That's true...and of course we must brace ourselves through this last 30
days. Anything can happen and more than likely will.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 09:06 AM
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2. Believe me
The battle has just begun in earnest.

Everybody you can get to vote for Kerry is important. Everybody.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 09:11 AM
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4. I have given up on trying to get the repukes or * lover's to
change their minds (I live in a red/pink state). I am just trying to be sure that they do not vote. It is easier to discourage their participation than to try to get them to change their minds about *.

Fortunately, they are not as political as I am and it is likely they won't bother to show up because it is a slam dunk for their weed.
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Ladyhawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 09:53 PM
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29. Then we have to harass Kerry and the Congress for change. eom
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Aviation Pro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 09:07 AM
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3. I respectfully disagree
Winning the election is just the first step of incredibly long journey. Bridges need to be rebuilt, roads need to be repaired and the only way to do this is to 1) savior the moment of victory and 2) remind ourselves everyday that all glory is fleeting.

It will be time to go to work.
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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 09:13 AM
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6. This is true...it will take more than one term to undo the damage
And of course Kerry will be blamed for EVERY thing including the war. He will become a political lightning rod, like Clenis. Defending him will be a full time job.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 09:11 AM
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5. Are you kidding?
Kerry's campaign has been recusitated by his magnificent debate performance, but buxhco is not even close to being toast yet. We don't just need to kill the little twerp(metaphorically, of course), we need to plunge a stake in the heart of this administration.
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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 09:17 AM
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9. Right you are...as I said above it will take years to undo the damage
which equates to the proverbial stake in the heart. We must get congress and the senate back, the supreme court, the governorships...

Still, the obsession hasn't been about these things, it's been totally focused on Bush and, God willing, that piece of shit will be gone by November.
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Obamarama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 09:14 AM
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7. What on earth are you talking about?????
We CANNOT let up after Kerry's election.

Don't forget....there's another stinking, steaming BFEE turd down in Florida waiting to be shat out of the elephant's ass. Not to mention cretins like Santourum, et.al. ad nauseum whom we must work to defeat as well.

Just because the Boy King is going to be de-throned doesn't mean the evil, twisted agendas are going to cease.

As Ann Landers used to say: WAKE UP AND SMELL THE COFFEE.
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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 09:21 AM
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11. Gee, you have a way with words
Edited on Sat Oct-02-04 09:22 AM by linazelle
"...there's another stinking, steaming BFEE turd down in Florida waiting to be shat out of the elephant's ass." :evilgrin:

But you speak the truth.
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otterb Donating Member (1 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 10:25 PM
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34. Once Kerry wins....
How do we keep the nutcase right and their puppet-media-mouthpieces from ripping him and his decisions to shreds??? After all, they never stoped working to make Clinton look bad.
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renoray Donating Member (194 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 09:15 AM
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8. No, no no. So much to do, so little time.
When Kerry wins, that is just the begining. We have to keep him from playing too hard to the right. Need to keep him from playing too hard for big business. We need to reform the media, keep Kerry on the right track, mend fences and fix the world, investigate and prosecute our war criminals, get to the truth about things like our environmental policy and how the war in Iraq was actually planned, create new jobs, clean up our courts(especially the one that stole the last election), combat terrorism and fix our security and intelligence, prosper and rejoice.

Seriously there is plenty to do. Kerry is going to have lots of political opposition when he takes office. Personally I think cleaning up the media is something we need to get on right away. Before you know it, its midterm election time, and we MUST mobilize for that, because we can't afford the Republicans to gain more ground. We can't afford to leave any Republican unchallenged in those races. We need to identify good candidates for those positions and that takes time. We need to actually run for office, and that takes time. We need to figure out how we combat the apathy and ignorance of so many voters that don't care about elections that don't involve the President. They'll be out there to vote in those elections, and even though GOTV is hard now, it will be so much harder for the midterms.
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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 09:19 AM
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10. Your point about the media is right on target
It's THE biggest problem we have in this country. I hope that Kerry can take back the fourth estate during his term. It will be a tough job but he can lay the foundation.
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Owlet Donating Member (765 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 09:32 AM
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13. Congressional Elections 2006
I'd be delighted to see someone primary my state's junior senator, Joe Lieberman, who seems to be more Republican than Democrat in his positions.
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renoray Donating Member (194 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 09:22 PM
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23. Weren't there rumors Nader was going to do it?
Of course now that he has destroyed his base I doubt he could do it, but if he wasn't running for spoiler this year I think he might have had a shot. Damn you Nader!

Lieberman has got to go. I think he hurt Gore in 2000. I know I voted for Nader(in a state that didn't matter) in part because of Lieberman. Even if a repug took his seat, at least it would send out the message that we aren't interested in dealing with DINOs anymore, and the voting patterns probably wouldn't be all that different. DAMN YOU JOE LIEBERMAN!
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coreystone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 10:11 AM
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21. Exactly! But, more than that, ....
The Congressional elections of 2006 should prove to be the real "Trials and Tribulations" for the "Take It Back"! We can only hope that some of the close races this year will help balance the support that Kerry will need for two years. The Congressional races in two years need to be planned for NOW! As we speak!

:dem:
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crispini Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 09:31 AM
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12. After Shrub Comes Home:
- Work to solidify the Democratic base. Build a real party in your town.
- Raise money for your party, for Democratic think tanks, and for the LONG TERM SUCCESS of the Democrats.
- Work on elections and issues that are close to your heart. Clean Elections. Sustainability. Renewable Energy Sources.
- Run for office yourself. Or find another good Democrat to support.
- All politics are local. Start an initiative or a referendum.

The fight, my friends, has just begun. We need to take our country back.
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randr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 09:37 AM
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14. We must turn our attention to local affairs
and give Kerry the Congress and Senate.
We will be able to rid ourselves of the radical fundamentalist stain that has pervaded our society and move America into the 21st century.
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Lord_StarFyre Donating Member (592 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 09:41 AM
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15. What do you mean we'll have nothing to do?
...Need I remind you what the ConservaNazis did to President Clinton for 8 years? We have to be ready to fight for President Kerry and Vice President Edwards, AND to make sure Assholes like Zell Miller (Traitor) aren't allowed to function as Republican surrogates.

NO This time the Democrats will be made to stand up and fight for their President, instead of rolling over and playing nice with that criminal Republican smear machine!
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Aunt Anti-bush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 09:47 AM
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16. When * is gone...
We need to be wary of his (or any of his siblings') return. We need to watch the news and if any of them decide to run for office we need to bring back our forceful opposition.
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ScreamingMeemie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 09:49 AM
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17. Oh, I've got lots to do. Like ensuring that my representatives in Congress
and the White House follow through on their promises, admit their shortcomings and work with the people of our country to restore what we once had. Winning the White House is step one of a thousand steps. :hi:
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acmavm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 09:57 AM
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18. The thugs who are running this country now, the Neocons, the BFEE,
the crazed fundies, will all be here after the election. And don't try to fool yourself that they won't be hard at work making plans on how to grab the White House again. They are dangerous people. They've learned that running a vapid, low i.q. puppet boy doesn't work. They had to steal one election to put him in the White House, they have to try to cover for his intellectual shortcomings in this one. They'll be smarter, sneakier, and more vicious.

This war won't end because bush* and Cheney are sent packing. In fact with them gone, the corporations and neocons will just fight harder to promote their corupt agendas.
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grace0418 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 09:58 AM
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19. oh dear
no, the work is just starting. You mentioned the Clinton-haters. Well, their going to be back, in full force if not greater numbers, against Kerry. They are going to do their best to undermine everything President Kerry tries to accomplish and then they'll blame him when things go wrong.

Oh no my friend, we have to remain vigilent. We have to keep on Kerry to work hard and we have to keep on the media to tell the truth (an even more monumental task).
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vetwife Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 09:59 AM
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20. R u Kiddin? They will be even more destructive ! Much to do just to keep
our man in there without some r-winged bunch smearing him ten times as bad as Clinton !
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renoray Donating Member (194 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 09:26 PM
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24. Restore equal time, limit ownership rules to spread diversity
If Kerry doesn't get some controls on the FCC/media fast, I don't think he will be a two term President. Decades of damage have been done.
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Skittles Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 10:27 AM
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22. please remember that bastard did not win the LAST election
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 09:27 PM
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25. they won't stop
The right will NEVER STOP trying to seize power against the will of the people.

Since the near coup against FDR by the industrialist elites, the right has been trying to seize power because they couldn't persuade Americans to adopt their ideology.

America is not right wing. On the issues, America is liberal. Social security, voting rights, public education...on and on and on. America is LIBERAL on the issues.

Unfortunately, our fight will not stop with Kerry in the WH. They will haunt him like they did the Clintons. I've been working against them since the day Monica Lewinsky's name hit the news. I don't expect to ever get any peace.

The only possible outcome that would bring an end is a total fracture of the Republican party. If moderates were to retake the party and boot out the wingnuts, things might level off.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 09:35 PM
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26. near eschatology
There is in this moment, the concept that we can hold in our
minds and emotions of an ending, the impending death... and with it
we can feel the cleansing truth of death, and as well, the false
pretense of the illusion of our status, activities and relationships.

This impending doom, is an eschatology. That it is a "month to go",
is "near eschatology". That the earth will die from overpopulation
in 100 years is a "far eschatology", both of them fairy tales that
have no meaning except their emotional significance to this moment.

One day we will all part and never speak again... fact.

Frankly, i look forward to kerry's election victory, as i view this
writing work on DU as literally work, free labour for the campaign
doing a little job like we all do to get this one won. Then i'm off
to paid work. As much as i like writing on DU, it takes hours and,
pays dick. When i get back to putting those same writing in
to professional writing, there is some potential of economic return.

I'm hoping that after a kerry victory, that all of DU gets together
for a massive party, and we can dance, kiss and hug away the joy of
our victory. Then i'll unplug the internet for a few years and
get back to real life. If bush hadn't stole 2000, i never would
have peeped a word, and once he's out, i'll probably dissolve
sweetheart and go back to being nobody, like i've been all along.
:-)

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Scooter24 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 09:37 PM
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27. Once Kerry gets elected,
then our focus is on Congress and local/state elections.
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 09:51 PM
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28. You're kidding, right? Have you noticed we have a nation in shambles?
After we get rid of the ones who shambolized it, the REALLY HARD part begins. We not only have a Party to reclaim, we have a much damaged nation to rebuild. While it may not physically look like Iraq, internally there are many parallels.

You may notice that as bad as the dictator-wannabee in the Oval Office is, he has a loyal following, and many, many more who are unsure if he is or isn't a "good leader". GAK. Yes, I know. But, them's the facts. Do you think those people are going to magically go away? Do you *really* believe they will have a sudden self-induced conversion? If the polls are any where *near* correct, and Kerry is running even with *, think of how many people that means who are seriously confused. Do you think we can recalim our nation with that much of the populace seriously deluded? We have a HUGE job, trying to educate those around us as to the REALITY of our nation. Until there is a sizeable section of the population that is as knowledgeable as the denizens of DU, we got TROUBLE.

We've finally wakened to the fact that the sizeable part of the population that doesn't vote is a PROBLEM for this country. Just ponder for a minute the work to be done in that area.

That's just to start.

Are you ready for the struggle now???

Kanary
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Fed Up Donating Member (443 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 09:56 PM
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30. We have to keep running like hell even when end zone is 1 yard away.
Don't stop and rest on laurels now. Until Dan Rather says "Game, set, and match" this is not over.
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noiretextatique Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 10:03 PM
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31. let's not forget the coup of 2000
i won't be celebrating until after inauguration day.
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jackieforthedems Donating Member (534 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 10:12 PM
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32. Keep At It Anyway
and if it's any consolation, I have no plans to leave DU after Kerry wins in November. Nope. In fact, I'm going to work all the more harder for the next election in 2008. I have been a Kerry volunteer, and plan to stay that way for the next 4 years. Btw, I have never been as involved in politics and an election as I have been this year. Kerry/Edwards supporter, DU supporter, democrat - and PROUD OF IT!!!:hi:
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unkachuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 10:13 PM
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33. bush ain't gone yet....
.....we'll have to begin hammering Kerry on November 3rd but we still have 30 days of campaigning, more debates, October surprise(s) and election day itself to overcome....

.....this is more than ample opportunity for bushco to slip it to us and the nation somehow.....I have faith in the evil of bush....this ain't going to be over, until it's over.....and maybe not even then....
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linazelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-02-04 10:31 PM
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35. If there's one thing we can give * credit for, it's solidying OUR base
People are not paying attention, they don't understand or care about politics for the most part. It's only because * has been so incredibly bad that anybody's taken notice--and he was able to sneak into office because people have been asleep for the past thirty years while the media, supreme court, congress and the senate were stolen.

I am not sure we will be able to stick together after *'s repulsive influence is gone. Nobody on the national landscape is voicing any of the things that the people here at DU are talking about doing so how will people know what's needed.

Sure there's more work to do, but will people who have pretty much slept through THIS reign of terror even take notice of the problems we face?
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