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drumwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 10:14 PM
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how did Gore do in the debates in 2000?
I gather that Kerry kicked ass tonight. My question is, how did Gore do in the debates in 2000? How did Bush do back then? I want to compare tonight with last election's debates.
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 10:16 PM
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1. Bush was more articulate last time, if you can believe it and....
Bush was nervous as Hell tonight. Kerry kicked Bushler's Hind.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 10:16 PM
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2. immediately after, more people though Al Gore won by a big
margin, but then the media created a video of Al Gore sighing which hurt Gore.


www.dailyhowler.com has details.
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deadparrot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 10:18 PM
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3. I think they must have warned Kerry about that.
He kept his head down most of the time, took tons of notes. Couldn't see any sort of reaction. I don't think we'll have that problem this time.
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 10:19 PM
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5. Yup. The media FORCE-FED the sheeple a bunch of goat droppings
And the 'bread and circuses' addicts mainlined the boobtube drug.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 10:19 PM
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4. Day 2 - memo went out and all the media was on the same page
The sigh was born
Wait until tomorrow for unified talking points.
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NYCGirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 10:19 PM
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6. It's difficult to compare, as Bush didn't have a piss-poor record;
he wasn't the incumbent. He was somewhat more articulate then. Although I think Gore's people made the mistake of not really taking advantage of the Clinton/Gore record, there was no doubt the country was suffering from what was then called "Clinton fatigue," mostly due to the constant tearing down of the President by the right wing.
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Astarho Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 10:20 PM
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7. Kerry did better than Gore
Mainly because now Bush has a (disastrous) record behind him.

But the meatpuppets sure are pushing the "Kerry is inconsistant on Iraq" line.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 10:22 PM
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8. He did slightly better than Bush, but slightly better doesn't work
when you have the entire media out to get you.
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drumwolf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 10:22 PM
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9. Who is "he"? Who did "slightly better" than Bush and when?
Are you referring to Gore 2000 or Kerry tonight?
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-04 06:59 AM
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12. Gore in 2000.
Edited on Fri Oct-01-04 07:05 AM by The Backlash Cometh
Kerry did a slam dunk which is why the media has no room to spin. But, in fairness to Gore, pundits did not test Bush in 2000. They liked his lack of sophistication and didn't test him much on substance. Kerry's advantage is that people now want someone who is intelligent enough to get the job done and I think he scored points by convincing people that Bush burned bridges with allies, and has lost credibility with them. A new face in the presidency is what we need to get those allies back to our side.
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 10:27 PM
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11. Funny! You think media can be deterred by facts? Check this:

 
http://bartcopnation.com/dc/dcboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=2&topic_id=323373
Bush Suffers Breakdown On TV, Wins Debate
Thu Sep 30th, 2004 at 04:59:07 GMT
AP-In a stunning display of raw emotion never before seen on national television, President George W. Bush appeared to suffer a psychological breakdown during last night's square-off with Democratic nominee John Kerry.
Political commentators were quick to agree that Bush won the debate.
Observers first suspected a change in Bush's emotional state when, following a blistering attack from Kerry, a large, apparently wet stain began to appear on the front of the President's pants.
Laying his head upon the podium, Bush began to speak in a soft, high-pitched voice. His microphone was able to pick up questions apparently aimed at his father, former President George H.W. Bush, rather than his opponent. "Daddy. Daddy. Daddy, why don't you love me? " Bush whimpered.
Cokie Roberts, in a post debate roundtable on ABC, stated that such actions "clearly presented a softer, sensitive side" of Bush, "that every man in America will identify with."
Moments later Bush appeared to regain his energy, bolting upright and loudly asking "What's a n***a got to do to get a drink around here?" He then began pounding on the podium while chanting "Jack and Coke, Jack and Coke, Jack and Coke" repeatedly.
MSNBC's Chris Matthews was quick to point out how the alcohol reference would resonate with "Joe Six-pack," while CNN's Wolf Blitzer heralded Bush's use of "the `N' word," as "an appeal to the hippity-hop generation."
As Bush crumpled to the floor, his rival, Massachusetts Senator John Kerry, implored the audience to "give the President some air." Kerry also called out to the audience, asking "Is there a doctor in the house?" a clear violation of the debate rules.
FoxNews anchor Brit Hume lambasted Kerry for his "patronizing attitude," while ABC's Peter Jennings stated that he felt that "No American watching is going to want to vote for a candidate who doesn't know if a doctor actually is in the house, I'm sure aboot that."
On CBS, Dan Rather told his network's viewers that the debate was being carried via a pool arrangement of cameras, and that he could not verify that Bush actually was curled up in a fetal position.
Bush's debate performance was seen by most as dealing a harsh blow to Kerry's presidential aspirations.
"If a soiled heap of laundry on the floor isn't what we need in our war against those who would do us harm, I don't know who is," stated debate moderator Jim Lehrer.
Read this on the Slate forums and just had to share
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fujiyama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-04 08:45 AM
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13. That was hilarious
It must be posted as its own thread!
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walldude Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-30-04 10:25 PM
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10. Gore crushed Bush so bad that Bush ended up with
Edited on Thu Sep-30-04 10:26 PM by walldude
the sympathy vote. Gore was so much smarter than Bush that it made him(Gore) look arrogant and smug. So Bush ended up winning by default of his stupidity and lack of knowledge. Kerry obviously learned from Gore's mistake...
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-01-04 08:47 AM
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14. Gore beat Bush, but not as soundly. And nobody yet realized the extent
of the Bushevik Sub-Media to launder lies into "conventional wisdom" at that time.

I would say: Kerry won in an absolute knockout, while Gore merely won a 15-round decision.

Given the ability of the Bushevik Lie Machine, that could make all the difference.
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