Less educated people vote Democrat and more educated vote Republican...

[coloradodem2005]

...according to the guy in charge of the Harris poll. I heard it on the radio this morning. Though, he also said that this year, that trend is being bucked big time. The more educated people are favoring Kerry overwhelmingly and the less educated people are voting Republican. What do you think? I have come to believe that when people think, Democrats win. Do you think that what Harris said was bunk?

[sinkingfeeling]

1. This doesn't 'jibe' with KKKRove's wisdom...

<snip>
First of all, academics surely do tilt Democratic. But, according to political strategists for both parties, so does the entire pool of people from which academics are, of professional necessity, chosen — the pool of people holding advanced degrees. As Karl Rove says, “As people do better, they start voting like Republicans — unless they have too much education and vote Democratic, which proves there can be too much of a good thing.” (Nicholas Lemann, “Bush’s Trillions,” The New Yorker, 2/19/2001; sadly TNY doesn’t keep this online.)

[Worst Username Ever]

4. You beat me to it. ROVE!!!

[0007]

18. The repukes are smart enough to buy the best brains money

can buy from the top universities in the world. The mafia figured that out a long time a ago.

The man that convinced the Supreme Court that junior should be prez is the same man that defended those Saudi fat cats against the 911 victims are close bush family friends. James A. Baker III

[Worst Username Ever]

2. Yes

I think that the more educated you are, the more likely you are to vote Dem. In fact some republican, I think it was Wolfowitz but I'm not sure, said something along the lines of "As people get a college degree, they are more likely to vote republican, but as their education increases beyond that, they are more likely to vote democrat. Which proves you really can have too much of a good thing."

Or something like that.

[nostalgicaboutmyfutr]

13. Shylock: that was Rove who said that ....eom

[sui generis]

3. i are voting 4 joredsh ubsh

[ET Awful]

5. Absolute bunk

One need only look at southern states and the vast number of high-school drop-outs that think Bush is some kind of god.

They spend years complaining about liberal professors, liberal intellectuals, etc. then say that educated people vote Repug? Bull plop.

[LifeDuringWartime]

33. its not just in the south

drop out rates are probably highest in cities, regardless of state

[TwoHandedLayup]

6. Thinking people

The misconception has been around for years that if you have money you should vote republican and if not vote democratic. I think this is a myth that has been pushed by both parties and their marketing of their positions. This has led to the misconceptions and voting tendencies of the past. These days are done I hope.

I think the issues have always been thought through, but this year the issues require closer inspection. I can't remember another time where the issues were so important. More people from both parties are examining the issues closer and coming to the same conclusion that Bush Sucks ASS!

[wickywom]

7. it seems to me..

that rich people are more likely to be Republicans..
and rich people are more likely to be educated.

[yvr girl]

9. I think that both parties get rich and poor voters

This is a bit stereotypical, but doesn't the following hold true:

Republican: Old money types, Wall Street, Leaders of 'big business' and also poor, lower to lower middle class white rural voters (less government, guns etc.) the religious right and certain immigrants.

Democrats: Academics, Old and New Money with heart, the middle-class, youth and idealists, African Americans.

[StClone]

22. Education vs intelligence

To generalize that further education is wealth related is partly true especially since cuts to grants and students loans have occurred. But to think that intelligence is so related to income is not supportable.

[RapidCreek]

34. Education has nothing what so ever to do with intellegence

RC

[SemperEadem]

35. yeah, but they're marginally educated

they are more or less C students--like your president... they get a pass through school based upon the donation to the school by their rich parents. Then their mediocre asses are turned loose and they run their companies into the ground, treat their workers like crap and fire them if they put Dem stickers on their own cars.

[Orangepeel]

8. moderately educated people vote republican

less educated (i.e., no college, which correlates with lower income) and highly educated people (i.e., advanced degrees) tend to vote Democratic.

Of course, that means people are more likely to vote a certain way because of education level. It doesn't mean there aren't many, many counter-examples or that other factors (like georgraphy) don't play more of a role.

[obnoxiousdrunk]

10. As Big Dawg said

When people think we win.

[snoogins]

11. thats bullshit

its the other way around. Everyone votes for democrats, and refucklicans find ways to steal and lie and cheat their way to win.

[goforit]

12. BBBBBBBBBBULLLLLLLLL SSSHHHHIIITTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Jade Fox]

14. That has to be wrong. I agree with you--only someone not thinking....

could be a Bush supporter right now.

[Kanary]

15. Only if you're......... reading backwards...... ^_^

Actually, this is why RW people complain about the "liberal bias" of colleges and Universities..... the more education, the more likely they will be "liberal".

Also why college towns are usually more aware and more liberal.

The RW is getting very good at slinging bunk.

:hi:

Kanary

[TahitiNut]

16. 'Trained' people vote Republican; 'Educated' people vote Democratic

It's not surprising that the media obfuscates the distinction. :shrug:

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[IrateCitizen]

19. Buh-bye!

Hope you enjoyed your short stay, Freeper!

[coloradodem2005]

20. Fucking moron.

At least our candidate actually went to Vietnam. Instead of hiding out in the Guard. Your candidate is the one who is a joke. The fact that you are as insulting as you are shows how small-minded you are.

[Cats Against Frist]

21. If you're taking the "pat" baccalaureate degree

and including such things as sports medicine, public relations and the tourism and travel industries -- from what I understand there are more GOPPERS with college degrees, while the Dems DO have the largest share of people who have never finished high school.

However, the smart of the smart -- I'm for certain, the Masters and the Ph.Ds, particularly those who have degrees in Philosophy, Psychology, Sociology, Anthropology, Political Science, History, International Studies, Law and Critical Theory -- those who would have the qualifications to actually MAKE the most informed decisions, in the entire populace, on the condition of humanity, are overwhelmingly Democratic/leftist -- or at least that's the way it used to be.

You never know, though.

So if you're going "educated," -- I bet the Repubes have more B.S. degrees -- Dems would have more B.A. and advanced degrees -- but what do people have the most of? B.S.


***edit -- and likewise, I think the Dems attract plenty of people with out college degrees who are the "thinking" type -- OK, maybe they're hippies, but at least they're not jackoffs and constructed out the ass.

[markus]

23. No. In fact, it's spot on

What's important is the last part of the equation: the move of the more educated and affluent toward the Democratic Party, and the growing reliance of the GOP on working-class, strongly religous voters as their backbone.

Once upon a time in America, to be a college-educated professional meant to be a Republican. To be a working-stiff meant being a Democrat, the party of your labor union.

With massive public higher education and the demise of unions, the less-educated voter has been more receptive to the blandisments of the GOP in appealing to their baser instincts, while their are more highly-educationed, "wired" voters who are skeptical of both parties, who are potentially turned off by the mildly racist, homophobic, fudamentalist tone of the GOP.

There are the voters that the DLC tends to identify as the target group for the Democratic Party. I tend to agree with them, but there must be common cause with les-educted, lower-middle-class, hourly workers. We are all, in reality, being cheated by corporate interests who have rigged a system in the last 20 years that picks the pockets of wage and salary earners for the benefit of the stock-owning class.

I tend to agree with the general thesis that America will potentially undergo a shift toward the Democrats. However, it's not a certain thing in the "Age of Terror" and an interlocking economic world we can no longer rule as we did in the past. The potential for disruptive events which the GOP, with their typically amoral approach to politics, can manipulate to their advantage is too great.

And it certainly isn't happening on a timeline that makes any difference to John Kerry.

[TahitiNut]

24. Once upon a time (before WW2), only the affluent ...

... "establishment" class could normally afford to send their children to college -- or even recognized the 'networking' advantages of doing so.

The GI Bill changed that. Even upon the passage of the GI Bill, the president of Harvard University opined that the untutored and unsophisticated 'common soldier' was doomed to fail in the University environment. The bigotry of elitism was so embedded in "establishment" thinking that the majority couldn't even contemplate "ordinary people" succeeding in a college curriculum.

The GI Bill passed by a single vote.

There has never been a more cost-effective investment of public funds. Never.

[ghostsofgiants]

25. ...

I thought educated people were all "liberal pinheads"...meh, education is for jackasses.

[drumwolf]

26. There's an article in Salon.com

that talks about how Democrats tend to be a combination of rich and poor, while Republicans tend to be in the middle economically:

http://www.salon.com/opinion/feature/2004/09/13/polarized_country/index.html

Education and income level have a close correlation, so I think it would also make sense that Dems would be a coalition of less educated and highly educated voters, whereas Repubs would have a lot of moderately educated voters.

[Skittles]

27. THINKING PEOPLE VOTE DEMOCRATIC

I doubt it has much to do with education

[proud patriot]

28. Well he pulled that straight from his Butt

of course it's bunk .

Bush supporters can't even state why they are voting for bush
or what policies of his they support .

[Cha]

29. That's Ridiculous!

And the same with these polls giving bush a lead..

[Strawman]

30. If true this would only prove

that there are alot of educated assholes. Besides just because someone has a degree in something like engineering, it doesn't mean they know dick about politics.

[Barney Rocks]

31. I think we get most of the highly

intellectual (professor types) and most of the least educated--think poor workers at McDonalds or Walmart. We appeal to lots of people. Nothing to get upset about. And the percentage of those at the bottom probably IS larger than the percentage of people from the very top--just because that is how our society is structured.

[robbedvoter]

32. Oh, so I am not a fancy pants elitist anymore? All righty then!

:shrug:

[gandalf]

36. I read it was the other way round

some time ago in my German newspaper (the same holds, by the way, for the German conservative party. Simplified: They make a policy for the rich and are voted for by the poor.)