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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 01:12 PM
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Where did AP get this phrase which is repeated over and over?
Edited on Thu Aug-28-03 01:14 PM by madfloridian
SNIP...."This is, after all, the governor who has at times tried to cut benefits for the aged, blind and disabled, whose No. 1 priority is a balanced budget....."

I have seen this in reference to Dean several times here today, and I know Norman Solomon et al used it as far back as June. Same phrase, over and over.

Can someone who is familiar with what he did give the source of that phrase? Did he try to just cut them out because they were disabled...or were there two sides to the story.

On Edit: Yes, I know he is a moderate as I am. Just wanted to clarify that.
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mjb4 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 01:16 PM
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1. ROVE....dang aren't you paying attention
...
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KamaAina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 01:20 PM
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2. Dean has issued extensive statements on disability rights
http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/PageServer?pagename=policy_statement_civilrights_disabilityrights

So far as I know, no other Presidential candidate -- not even Bob Dole, or FDR, for that matter -- has ever had a disability platofrm.

The spun version of his Vt. record is here:

http://www.deanforamerica.com/site/PageServer?pagename=policy_record_civilrights_disabilityrights

Under Governor Dean, Vermont placed more emphasis than ever before on helping persons with disabilities enter or return to the work force.

Perhaps AP got a fax from Rove telling them to spin this as a "cut in benefits"...
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 01:27 PM
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4. Ha! Darn that Rove. Dean's background for the disabled looks good.
Thanks for the links.

:hi:
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 01:24 PM
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3. Aha! Did another google in quotations.
The only ones who showed up were Norman Solomon, June 26, and Nicholas Johnson in a pdf file.

Nicholas quotes Solomon, Solomon quotes AP.....and the AP quotes....?

Is this our Nicholas_J?
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ComerPerro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 01:28 PM
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5. That is pathetic
The news media is just fucked up. They don't even care that they are lying about candidates.
After all, they will be protected and given positions of power in the new American Empire.
They were probably promised prominent positions in Minitrue.
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demnan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 01:57 PM
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6. They're just getting started
Look at what they did to Al Gore! Remember:


1. The Buddist Temple "Fundraiser" that Gore supposedly attended (only he didn't know it was a fundraiser).

2. The Gore "Invented the Internet" story (instead of Gore funded and supported the Internet through his work in the Senate).

3. And last but not least, the "Love Story" incident (where a Nashville newspaper misquotes Eric Seagal and Gore repeats what he read in the newspaper.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 02:18 PM
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7. But notice these are the progressives, supposedly.
I did a search at Yahoo as well on the same phrase. I have not found the AP source yet, but all I found again were Norman Solomon (Common Dreams) and Nicholas Johnson.

I did not see a single rightwing source, as such.
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 03:03 PM
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8. Greens in Florida?
Wasn't that you commenting about that a few days ago? Something about Greens in a county in Florida. I was thinking at the time it was 'Progressives' creating all the bashing problems. Looking more like it every day.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 04:12 PM
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10. That was me. Problem still there.
Not sure how to handle. Glad I don't have to do it. It may work out ok, but hard to say.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 03:33 PM
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9. Operation Mockingbird at work..Uncle Karl's Commandos
I am fully satisfied that AP is one of the most compromised "news" institutions around. It would have to be, being the "news agency of record" it is assumed the Busheviks would assault it first and foremost, for Prudenizing and other Busheviks Team Leader functios.

So of course, VNS consortium, conveniently absent on 2002 Elections Day, which was run and checked by a multiple of organizations is replaced by...AP Exit Polling.

All the better for the Busheviks upstairs to Maintain Control of the Lie.

This is not to say that AP doesn't do real reporting, but I believe they are shot through with compromised individuals, Operation Mockingbid types, and Busheviks who have been encouraged and funded for years with the aim of mole-ing them inside legitimate media organization to weaken and parasitize them.

And so, the New Exit Polling, will be as much of an Orwellian Joke as damned near everything else has become in Imperial Amerika.
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Bandit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 05:01 PM
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11. I think they are talking about Bush* ~ either Bush ~ Jeb or GW
:shrug: sounds more likely anyway.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-03 12:49 AM
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12. No, they say Dean.
If only two people have said, and they got it from the AP, and no one else picked it up, I question it.

I searched at Yahoo and Google, and only found Nicholas Johnson and Norman Solomon quoting it.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-03 11:51 PM
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13. This needs a kick because of a certain thread that has started.
Edited on Fri Aug-29-03 11:53 PM by madfloridian
:kick:

Hint: the thread is in Politics and Campaigns.
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JetJaguar Donating Member (207 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-30-03 07:52 PM
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14. Source is Christopher Graff AP 1988
October 3, 1998, Saturday, BC cycle
SECTION: State and Regional
LENGTH: 795 words
HEADLINE: A weekly perspective on Vermont affairs
BYLINE: By CHRISTOPHER GRAFF, Associated Press Writer
DATELINE: BELLOWS FALLS, Vt.

BODY: This week: The gubernatorial debate shows clear choice

The most surprising comment in the first debate between Gov. Howard Dean and Ruth Dwyer came from Dwyer:

"I think government can do wonderful things," she said in her closing statement.

You wouldn't know it.

Dwyer spent the previous hour absolutely trashing everything government has done. Dwyer is the Ronald Reagan of Vermont, sharing his belief that government doesn't solve problems, it creates them.

She is the anti-government candidate, seeking to tap into the always-present perception among residents that governments are inefficient and ineffective and peopled by lazy workers who love to promulgate regulations on just about everything.

...

Gov. Howard Dean proudly trumpets the fact his administration has filled up state reserve funds, a move wildly applauded by Wall Street. Dwyer dismisses the accomplishment: "A lot of people I talk to would rather keep money in their pocket than stashing it in the state's piggy bank," she said.

Almost every answer to every question was couched in anti-government terms: "Strong communities are reinforced by people depending on each other, not depending on bureaucrats in Montpelier;" "I've really heard a strong current out there for more freedom, more individual rights." And quoting a comment she'd heard from a woman: "Big organizations have no head and no heart; people have heads and hearts."

What is ironic here is that Dwyer's opponent, cast as the champion of big government and big spending, is Howard Dean, who on the grand scale of things is a moderate at best on social issues and a clear conservative on fiscal issues. This is, after all, the governor who has at times tried to cut benefits for the aged, blind and disabled, whose No. 1 priority is a balanced budget. This is a man who seems most comfortable with '50s values, who is very patriotic, strong on law-and-order and families.

In this campaign he is the defender of social programs, the champion of children. "The central issue in this campaign is not the size of government. It's how much compassion the government has," said Dean in Thursday's debate here in Bellows Falls. "The role of government is making life a little more fair."

The first debate between Dean and Dwyer provided ample evidence that Vermonters have a clear choice in November.
...




SOLOMON: Tilting Democrats in the Presidential Race
...
After seven years as governor, the Associated Press described Dean as "a moderate at best on social issues and a clear conservative on fiscal issues." The news service added: "This is, after all, the governor who has at times tried to cut benefits for the aged, blind and disabled, whose No. 1 priority is a balanced budget."
..
http://www.alternet.org/print.html?StoryID=16268

I guess this would be just as valid.

After seven years as governor, the Associated Press described Dean as "the defender of social programs, the champion of children."



Same source big difference.

No reference to the particulars, on what type of cuts
or how hard he tried leaves this statement (hanging by itself)
without much gravity.

Maybe contacting Christopher Graff at AP could flesh it out for you.
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-31-03 11:38 AM
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15. Very interesting.
This is an interesting quote from Dean.
"In this campaign he is the defender of social programs, the champion of children. "The central issue in this campaign is not the size of government. It's how much compassion the government has," said Dean in Thursday's debate here in Bellows Falls. "The role of government is making life a little more fair."

This is good way to put it. Maybe his campaign should pull this quote up from the archives.

Great find.


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