It's all beginning to make perfect sense.

[Beam Me Up]

Peak oil is not a new idea. Those of us who were paying attention understood over 30 years ago that if our society didn't move toward a more "energy independent" status, we would end up at a geopolitical and economic (not to mention, ecological) impasse. We had a good half century to foster our energy independence but because sustainability was not as profitable as hydrocarbon depletion and because those who really make the decisions behind the facade of the Federal Government (The National Security State) are not the least bit interested in Democracy or "independence" in any form, no public interest (awareness leading to discussion, subsidies for research and implementation) was focused in that direction.

All this would seem rather shortsighted but when one begins to consider that the "royal families" of the United States through their Banks and Investment firms on Wall Street helped facilitate the rise of Hitler in Germany specifically to stem the rising tide of European socialism and communism and, later, created the CIA after the end of the second world war and through it 'imported' Nazi Spys into the US Intelligence Community, it all begins to fit together.

The intellectually challenged grandson of a premiere Wall Street Banker who helped fund Hitler and son of a previous Director of the CIA, vice President and President, aka W, was placed in the position of President in the United States by suspicious and arguably illegal and unconstitutional means. The fact that he is intellectually challenged works well because it increases his "controllability" while decreasing the possibility of him using his office to "do anything" other than acting as a focal point of adoration by those who have "drunk the Kool-Aid" of "fundamentalist conservatism" AND a focal point of derision and outrage from the "liberal opposition" -- both of whose perception of reality is mostly controlled by Wall Street owned Corporate media.

A made-for-TY SPECTACULAR "New Pearl Harbor" aka "Reichstag Fire" blamed on fundamentalist Muslim extremists but actually orchestrated from deep within the National Security Aparatus horrifies and outrages global citizens, particularly Americans, and is used to launch a "war that will not end in our lifetimes" first step in surrounding the Caspian basin, home of the largest last known remaining reserves of oil and natural gas. Although Peak Oil -- the point at which half the worlds known hydrocarbon reserves have been consumed and the point beyond which further hydrocarbon production becomes increasingly expensive relative to demand -- remains a looming economic threat, nevertheless military supremacy is held in the region.

However, those TRULY in the know know that although Peak Oil is a "reality" it is only a concern DUE TO INCREASED GLOBAL POPULATION which hydrocarbon energy has made possible. Without hydrocarbons for fertilizers, pesticides, fuels for cultivation, harvesting, transporting, processing, packaging and distributing, WHAT would the population of the planet be? What was it a mere 200 years ago? A significant and relatively rapid reduction in global population to 1 Billion or under and the "peak oil" problem is "solved".

This is the New Reich's FINAL SOLUTION. And this is why PNAC NEO-NAZIS will do anything ANYTHING within their power to remain in complete control of the US Federal Government -- possessing the largest WMDs on the planet. Even if their IDIOT N CHIEF is replaced in November, THEY WILL NOT YEILD CONTROL OF THE NATIONAL SECURITY APARATUS.

To complete their agenda they need to instigate a Global War. The "War on Terrorism" is playing fairly well at home -- as we all see, everyone, even the Liberals talk of nothing but "terrorists" and "wars" and "attacks on America" (all bogus) -- but not quite well enough. There is still the real possibility of losing control of the media induced sleep in which the vast majority of the American (and, to a lesser extent, world) population has been entranced. It is clear that to retain military control over South East Asia, A DRAFT WILL BE NECESSARY. And it is equally obvious that, AS IT STANDS, the American People, even WITH the horrors of 9/11, no longer believe that the current fighting which has cost over 1,000 American lives is effecting its stated aim of "making Americans safe." No, to the contrary, Americans are waking up to the reality that this "war" is BLOOD FOR OIL -- and very likely, blood for Halliburton profit. Even the FREEPERS are beginning to smell this rat.

It may very well be that in these quiet Autumn days before the election, the United States of America is approaching a crisis point that will shake the foundations of the world.

POSSIBILITY "A": The media continues to hype that John Kerry and George W. Bush are running neck and neck and, although this is not in fact the case, manage to convince everyone that it is the case, sufficiently so that when the voting is completed, they can tell us once again BUSH WON. Although some will argue that it is a lie they will for the most part be simply ignored. Who will be able to PROVE differently?

POSSIBILITY "B": Another terrorist attack, worse than 9/11 by a magnitude of at last 100 (half a million dead) throws the US and the globe into PANIC. Although highly risky, this scenario allows for very fast justification and mobilization of the US lock down. Martial Law, FEMA powers, the whole US placed on a permanent war footing, the "war on terrorism" sham reinvigorated, 'we're all in the army now.'

POSSIBILITY "C": John Kerry is allowed to "win" the election and the fascist neoconservatives go into defensive mode. This, however, does not solve the problem of peak oil or the problem of a massive national debt and impending economic catastrophe or the real possibility that agents of the National Security State could STILL pull POSSIBILITY "B" and blaming it and its consequences on "ineffectual Liberals" aka Democrats.

I do hope I'm just a paranoid freak, but I doubt it. They didn't just put an idiot in the White House, kill 3,000 citizens and launch a two front war in the middle east to be voted out just because we don't like it.

What can we do? EDUCATE EDUCATE EDUCATE AS QUICKLY AS POSSIBLE:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2418676

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2410375

The one thing they fear most is that we will wake up from the media trance and begin to see what is actually going on behind the curtain. The first step in TAKING BACK AMERICA is taking back YOUR POWER by taking back your own mind, taking back your perception of what is real. Don't let them fool you ever ever again! Demand transparent accountability at all levels of government. NOW! You'll see.


The End of Suburbia Website
http://www.endofsuburbia.com/

Preview Clips
http://endofsuburbia.com/previews.htm

More information on oil depletion and its implications
http://www.postcarbon.org

Learning to live in a low energy  world
http://www.globalpublicmedia.com


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[seventhson]

1. Guardian article on the Bushes and Nazis

The intersting thing here is that they were, according to this VERY repoutable article, "involved with" (i.e. were MANAGING MONEY FOR) the financial ARCHITECTS of Naziism.


That means the Bushes provided the money for the Third Reich. They were BEHIND it. They were PART of it. They WERE it.

I know that only a small percentage of people understand this story let alone feel it is important to raise in this election , but DAMNIT, THESE PEOPLE ARE CORRUPT AND RUTHLESS MASS MURDERERS AND TORTURERS NOT ONLY THEN BUT TODAY. It ALL adds up.

Finally.

And the truth can be told.



http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00.html

How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power

Rumours of a link between the US first family and the Nazi war machine have circulated for decades. Now the Guardian can reveal how repercussions of events that culminated in action under the Trading with the Enemy Act are still being felt by today's president

Ben Aris in Berlin and Duncan Campbell in Washington
Saturday September 25, 2004
The Guardian

George Bush's grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany.
The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism.


more:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1312540,00....

[Beam Me Up]

2. Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler

http://www.reformation.org/wall-st-hitler.html

PREFACE

This is the third and final volume of a trilogy describing the role of the American corporate socialists, otherwise known as the Wall Street financial elite or the Eastern Liberal Establishment, in three significant twentieth-century historical events: the 1917 Lenin-Trotsky Revolution in Russia, the 1933 election of Franklin D. Roosevelt in the United States, and the 1933 seizure of power by Adolf Hitler in Germany.

Each of these events introduced some variant of socialism into a major country — i.e., Bolshevik socialism in Russia, New Deal socialism in the United States, and National socialism in Germany.

Contemporary academic histories, with perhaps the sole exception of Carroll Quigley's Tragedy And Hope, ignore this evidence. On the other hand, it is understandable that universities and research organizations, dependent on financial aid from foundations that are controlled by this same New York financial elite, would hardly want to support and to publish research on these aspects of international politics. The bravest of trustees is unlikely to bite the hand that feeds his organization.

It is also eminently clear from the evidence in this trilogy that "public-spirited businessmen" do not journey to Washington as lobbyists and administrators in order to serve the United States. They are in Washington to serve their own profit-maximizing interests. Their purpose is not to further a competitive, free-market economy, but to manipulate a politicized regime, call it what you will, to their own advantage.

It is business manipulation of Hitler's accession to power in March 1933 that is the topic of Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler.

ANTONY C. SUTTON

July, 1976

[sufi]

3. Great thread. A MUST READ. Thanks Beam! KICK!

new identity ;)

[mhr]

4. Yes, Those Of Us Following Peak Oil For The Last Few Years

Connected these dots long before the Iraq invasion.

This needs wider discussion if for no other reason than to continue the discussion for public awareness.

A concise description of Peak Oil can be found here.

http://www.dallasforkerry.com/mediascope/brainzone/

[rucky]

5. Overpopulation is the #1 global problem we face

no way around it.

[seventhson]

9. I disagree! If global resources were managed fairly, smartly

and equitably, global population would be a nonissue.

It is one of the great myths of the right wing and eugenicists that the population is the problem. But it is only a "problem" because those in power have created a resources crisis.

Buckminster Fuller demonstrated the falsehood of the global population myths in "Operating manual for Spaceship Earth" about 30 years ago.

With properly managed resources the Earth could handle all the people it has and may be three or four times the cuyrrent population comfortably. But a few madmen are making the earth uninhabitable for ALL of us.

Malthus was the best friend of the Nazi and WASP eugenicists when his work convinced fascists it was better to kill people off than share the earth.

[Beam Me Up]

13. 3 to 4 times 8 billion? -- 24 to 36 billion??

I find that difficult to believe.

I agree that the resource crisis is a CREATED crisis. I agree that with "properly managed" (aka, sustainable) resources, Earth could handle a sizable population distribution (I wouldn't hazard a numerical guess). But the idea of 3 to 4 times CURRENT global population sounds extreme to me.

[seventhson]

23. World population is 6.2 billion (2002)

and fairly steady.

Read Buckminster Fuller for his perspective on this issue.

But I believe that 18-22 Billion is sustainable if resources were managed properly.

The world population is growing at the rate of 1.2%, accortding to info at the following link of a search:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&ie=ISO-8859-1&q=%22global+population%22+billion&btnG=Google+Search



My point is that if we managed our resources (especially with energy management , recycing, biomanagement (composting, etc.) we could probably handle many more people than we are comfortably and equitably.

But Fuller explains it much better than I can.

My further point is that this population thing is flung in our faces all the time BY the people who are stealing the resources and getting fat and obscenely rich. Study the idealogy of the eugenicists. It was about saving the world for "WHITE" people, and it was to be managed for the rich and NOT equitably.

The population thing is a right wing meme that MANY liberals and progressives have swallowed wityhout ever considering that it is a propaganda refrain.

Finally - it needs to be said that ity is obvious to me that population management and control (education, birth control, choice, economic stability) are necessary in severely impoverishedf regions.

But the REASON people are starving to death in Africa and Asia is the THEFT of THEIR resources by US and international criminals like Carlyle, Halliburton, etc.. and the total WASTE of resources on wars for profit and oil.

[Beam Me Up]

25. The figure of 18-22 billion still seems inaccurate to me

but I certainly agree with everything else that you are saying re the theft and waste of resources negatively impacting indigenous societies and populations. I believe that from the neoNazi perspective, that is just an added benefit.

The problem is the big IF -- IF we managed our resources properly. But that is just it. WE DO NOT AND HAVE NOT and this GREED DRIVEN fact is rapidly driving our non-rnewable energy dependant society toward a precipitous economic and social disaster. I am simply voicing my concern, and I believe that it is a genuine concern given precisely the "population control" eugenics of the same "American royal families" that brought Hitler to power. Fascism is not only inherent within American society, it is overt in its irresponsible energy policies and its complete lack of concern for the consequences. My point is that this COULD be taken to an extreme and that this may, in fact, be an option under serious consideration by those who have NO INTENTION WHAT EVER of relinquishing American Imperial Hegemony.

[seventhson]

26. Obviously we are NOT wisely marshalling our resources now

and 3 or 4 times our current population would be insane if we do not act wisely.

My underlying point remains the same. We can handle more people if we have equitable management and resource allocation globally.

The way things are now we are f*cked no matter what.

Billions are already in dire poverty as a result.

[Beam Me Up]

10. And it is a problem that our elites want to manage for us.

The cybernetic epistemology which I have offered you would suggest a new approach. The individual mind is immanent but not only in the body. It is immanent also in pathways and messages outside the body; and there is a larger Mind of which the individual mind is only a subsystem. This larger Mind is comparable to God and is perhaps what some people mean by "God," but it is still immanent in the total interconnected social system and planetary ecology.

Freudian psychology expanded the concept of mind inwards to include the whole communication system within the body—the automatic, the habitual, and the vast range of unconscious processes. What I am saying expands mind outwards. And both of these changes reduce the scope of the conscious self. A certain humility becomes appropriate, tempered by the dignity or joy of being part of something much bigger. A part—if you will—of God.

If you put God outside and set him vis-a-vis his creation and if you have the idea that you are created in his image, you will logically and naturally see yourself as outside and against the things around you. And as you arrogate all mind to yourself, you will see the world around you as mindless and therefore not entitled to moral or ethical consideration. The environment will seem to be yours to exploit. Your survival unit will be you and your folks or conspecifics against the environment of other social units, other races and the brutes and vegetables.

If this is your estimate of your relation to nature and you have an advanced technology, your likelihood of survival will be that of a snowball in hell. You will die either of the toxic by-products of your own hate, or, simply, of over-population and overgrazing. The raw materials of the world are finite.

If I am right, the whole of our thinking about what we are and what other people are has got to be restructured. This is not funny, and I do not know how long we have to do it in. If we continue to operate on the premises that were fashionable in the prescybernetic era, and which were especially underlined and strengthened during the Industrial Revolution, which seemed to validate the Darwinian unit of survival, we may have twenty or thirty years before the logical reductio ad absurdum of our old positions destroy us. Nobody knows how long we have, under the present system, before some disaster strikes us, more serious than the destruction of any group of nations. The most important task today is, perhaps, to learn to think in the new way. Let me say that I don't know how to think that way. Intellectually, I can stand here and I can give you a reasoned exposition of this matter; but if I am cutting down a tree, I still think "Gregory Bateson" is cutting down the tree. I am cutting down the tree. "Myself" is to me still an excessively concrete object, different from the rest of what I have been calling "mind."

The step to realizing—to making habitual—the other way of thinking so that one naturally thinks that way when one reaches out for a glass of water or cuts down a tree—that step is not an easy one.

And, quite seriously, I suggest to you that we should trust no policy decisions which emanate from persons who do not yet have that habit.

Gregory Bateson: From "Form, Substance and Difference," 1971

[Artemis Bunyon]

6. Yeah, that's pretty much how I feel, too.

The forrest is thick, and the roots go deep.

[Beam Me Up]

7. By their fruits, you shall know them.

Questions to ask oneself include:

Does what is being presented

• Focus my attention toward the actual structures of power?
  
• Empower me by helping me see the common interests that I share with others on this planet?
  
• Encourage me to think for myself, educate myself and others?

It's just a beginning.

[Carla in Ca]

8. We know Iraq was on the agenda pre 2000 election.

Are you saying the continuation of war, wherever it may be, is planned?

[Eloriel]

11. Yes -- surely you've heard all the saber rattling re

Iran, Syria, etc. ???? It's all in the PNAC document -- Project for a New American Century's report, "Rebuilding America's Defenses," the one calling for "a new Pearl Harbor" to make war palatable to Americans.

[Carla in Ca]

12. Iran and Syria are being discussed as possible targets

by Isreal...are we using Isreal as a go-between?

[Beam Me Up]

14. "There is seldom a singular cause for political policy."

To coin a phrase, it's the region, it's the region, it's the region. Translated, that means, it's the oil, it's the oil, it's the oil.

The US government does not see Israel primarily as a political asset (or liability, for that matter). It sees it for what it is: a force multiplier. For a few billion a year, Uncle Sam can maintain a lethal modern surrogate military on the very border of the world's biggest oil patch; one that is hostile in its very essence to the brown people who have the audacity to have encamped for these few centuries upon all that gasoline and fertilizer and plastic.

It should surprise no one that US troops have been trained by the Israelis for the occupation of Iraq, including in the fine arts of… ahem… interrogation.

It is not "Muslim paranoia" that invariably associates the occupation of Palestine with the occupation of Iraq. In a very real sense, if you just back up enough to get the whole perspective, this is absolutely accurate. That the Israelis want lebensraum and the water to live on it, and that the Americans want to control the oil to hang onto their doddering empire, does not negate the fact that these agendas are absolutely symbiotic.

US dependency on the Israelis as a mercenary force has only deepened as the grand strategy of Cheney, Perle, Wolfowitz, and Rumsfeld has sunk into the quagmire of an increasingly generalized Iraqi, and regional, resistance.

http://www.fromthewilderness.com/free/ww3/092304_jurassic_park5.shtml">More...

[Carla in Ca]

15. Are you saying * will ravage the planet for oil?

Is oil the bottom line?

[Beam Me Up]

16. Bush is an idiot usefull to the neoNazi agenda, a puppet, a pawn

Let me put it to you this way. What would happen to YOUR way of life IF gasoline hits, say, $10 a gallon? What ramifications would you expect this to have on your FOOD bill, your ENERGY bill, ALL your expenditures? What effect would this have on YOUR employment, on your ability to EDUCATE your children, on your HEALTH CARE costs? What effect would you anticipate this having on the entire US economy?

If ANYTHING could be done to PREVENT gasoline reaching $10 a gallon, would you support it? Would you demand that the US Government do it? Even demand this if it meant that a DRAFT would have to be reinstated? Even if this meant, not one thousand, but many thousands of YOUNG PEOPLE would have to go off to war to fight to KEEP gasoline below, say, $5 a gallon? Here where I live in California, it is almost half way there now.

The bottom line for OUR way of life is SURVIVAL, is it not? And for us that means OIL

See "The End of Suburbia". There is a link at the bottom of the original post. Follow the other links in the original post, too. It is all being maped out for you but you have to become interested enough to begin following the threads and connecting all the information. Wall Street -> Hitler -> CIA -> Operation Paper Clip --- and that is just the beginning. It is not George W. Bush; he is being duped as a lot of people are being duped. Ultimately the problem isn't not enough oil; the problem is too much DEMAND relative to supply. Lower the demand globally (which means lowering the population) and the impending oil crisis will lessen.

Edit to add: I'm not advocating the strategy mapped out in that last paragraph; I'm explaining that that may be the neoNazi perspective. Considerable evidence indicates that is the direction they are headed or will be the outcome of their agenda if they are not stopped.

In any case, there is a real problem and that REAL problem is that those who are currently shaping US energy policy -- and, thereby, very likely the fate of all humankind -- are fascits.

[Carla in Ca]

17. I appreciate the time you took to explain this.

I have some reading to do, thanks for the links. This seems to help solve the riddle of why so many will vote for him. This race shouldn't be this close, but it is not the man, it is the agenda.

[whirlygigspin]

18. Nationalized oil - a question of national security

*Bush and his Halliburton administration have made it more likely that oil rich countries will Nationalize their oil in future.

[Karenina]

19. Kick!

:kick:

[ursacorwin]

20. interesting ideas here

but let's draw back a sec and think about a couple of things.

first off: do you think the russians, chinese, or indians stupid and/or powerless? 'cause i'm sure they would have something to say about any american attempts to utterly control all petro resources...and in fact, if you look closely, and outside the us media, they are. let's not overfocus on the us, it's a big globe and there are many, many players at work on this issue. and most of them are not as stupid or arrogant as the shrub and his neocons.

second: let's not grant the neocons too much power, or ability. i've met a couple of them, and believe me, they aren't really the all powerful evil geniuses that some people like to think they are. they have been clever, and lucky, and done somethings over the long haul that have as much to do with american's apathy as it does with the neocon 'genius.' i'm not saying they aren't powerful and dangerous, but this NWO stuff is as much fantasy as reality. just look at what is *really* happening in iraq today if you need proof. practically as much oil is going up in smoke as is being sucked out the country for noniraqi profit. so much for taking control of the whole ME- they can't even run one relatively accepting country!

third: not everyone in our national security and military circles is evil. again, i know quite a few of them personally, including members of my family, and they are just as dedicated to truth, safety, and the right kind of america as we are. now, i'm not saying this is true for all, or even most of them, but look at joe wilson or richard clarke, for example. brave men willing to do what most of us probably wouldn't in a pinch: challenge the shrub cabal publically, and personally. bob graham's new book is supposed to be pretty revealing as well. as an ex-ops friend of mine often tells me when i get too depressed: if america really were about to slide into permanent fascism, real patriots would step up and work to stop it...little folks like us just don't know the whole of the scene, and we need to have a bit more faith that some of our gov't is made up of good, competent people who love america.

look, i'm a MIHOP proud tinfoil wearing paranoid freak who spends way too much time researching this kind of stuff. but i'm also trained to be a critical thinker, and not to fall for rhetoric and hype. the neocons WANT you to fear them, think them all powerful, and be helpless. believing that they actually have a grand scheme for total control THAT WILL WORK is part of that. they can't even manage iraq, and they've been planning that for almost 20 years.

the us, and DU, is not the whole of the world. there are many different and conflicting forces which will shape our future, which is not set in stone by a long shot. you're right to call for more education on these issues, and you make many important points. but trust me, we're not alone in the knowledge that the neocons dream and scheme for more power, just as we're not alone in being able to do something about it.

and i have more faith in the american people than the pollsters (who lie) tell me i should. we've faced potential fascism and major economic crisis several times before, and while i've been really worried recently that this time we may fail, i also believe that in the end, most americans will just not show up if the neocons try to have a permanent war for no one's benefit but their own. if for no other reason, because most of the kids i work with are too lazy, self concerned or apathetic to want to join up with any kind of army. even an economic crash won't change that.

also- do some research into technologies that exist which will help us in the coming oil crunch. a friend of mine makes biofuel right now, and he's doing rather well. the urge to make money wins out every time, and when enough people face the crunch personally, THEY will turn to those technologies even if big corporations and our gov't fail to do so. necessity is the mother of invention, and desperation can make people think and act in ways they never have dreamed of.

don't despair folks, just get busy and active.

[Beam Me Up]

24. ursacowin

thank you for taking the time to reply to my post and others' at length.

I appreciate much of what you have to say. I'm certainly aware that the US is not the only player in this game. It is not possible for me with my limited resources to be aware of all the 'moves' that are taking place -- especially the covert ones which are often the most important. However, I'm quite sure that intelligence within the countries you name are very aware of what is going on on the "grand chessboard" of international geopolitics. What they can or will do about it is another matter.

That what you are calling neocons (and I prefer to call neoNazis) "aren't really the all powerful evil geniuses that some people like to think they are" *may* be true. I also believe you when you say, "not everyone in our national security and military circles is evil." I am counting on these latter MOST OF ALL.

But what we are dealing with here is not merely individual people, however intelligent or lacking or however moral or not. What we're dealing with is a SYSTEM that is corrupted from the inside out.

Let me put it quite simply: What MORAL RIGHT do we as a society have to subjugate and oppress other people to meet OUR completely impractical and out of square with reality energy needs WITHOUT developing any kind of energy responsibility? The "Necessary Illusion" of the war on terrorism is a thin as tissue paper. People here at home do not see through it as clearly as those abroad do -- they are in denial because their own economic interests are clouding their moral integrity as global citizens.

BUT WHAT IS EVEN WORSE, in my opinion, is that these very important issues of HOW we shall acquire our energy resources and HOW we shall use them in "The Pursuit of Happiness" is NOT EVEN BEING DISCUSSED in anything even remotely resembling a democratic forum. The energy policy of the United States as established by DICK Cheney and his bottom-line corporate ilk are apparently of so sensitive a nature that even the Supreme Court agrees they can not be made public. The events of 9/11 -- which people such as Richard Clark and Ambasador Wilson MUST at least suspect if not know for a certainty were orchestrated from within the apparatus of the National Security State -- were a STAGED crime of state meant to drive public perception PRECISELY where it has been taken.

If there are good people inside the military and intelligence circles they must help us bring an end to this nightmare. They may have been told that the events of 9/11 were justified on the grounds of National Security. But I ask you, what GOOD can come of such EVIL? All it will take is ONE relatively small nuclear device ignited in ONE city in the United States and even the ILLUSION of our Democratic Republic will be gone. Worse, it will be used to justify nuclear retaliation against ANY nation that opposes our energy hegemony.

In closing, I assure you I am quite busy and not the least bit in despair. Outraged, yes, but not despairing.

[shraby]

21. Israel is using US as a go between.

[Disturbed]

22. Water

Water

Cholera and the Age of the Water Barons

The explosive growth of three private water utility companies in the last 10 years raises fears that mankind may be losing control of its most vital resource to a handful of monopolistic corporations. In Europe and North America, analysts predict that within the next 15 years these companies will control 65 percent to 75 percent of what are now public waterworks.

The companies have worked closely with the World Bank and other international financial institutions to gain a foothold on every continent. They aggressively lobby for legislation and trade laws to force cities to privatize their water and set the agenda for debate on solutions to the world's increasing water scarcity.

The companies argue they are more efficient and cheaper than public utilities. Critics say they are predatory capitalists that ultimately plan to control the world's water resources and drive up prices even as the gap between rich and poor widens. The fear is that accountability will vanish, and the world will lose control of its source of life.

http://www.publicintegrity.org/dtaweb/report.asp?ReportID=502&L1=10&L2=10&L3=0&L4=0&L5=0

[bobbieinok]

27. aren't many of those out to control water the same ones who control oil??

eg Enron and Enron-type companies???

Wasn't there a discussion about this at DU postW 'inauguration' and the fallout from the manufactured CA 'energy crisis'??????

[Eloriel]

28. Are we using Israel as a go-between?

Hardly. Near as I can tell we've adopted Israel's goals and agenda as our own, thanks to the PNAC crowd. Put another way, from my perspective at least, we're in the unenviable position of fighting Israel's proxy wars. Could things get any more perverse? You can thank Richard Perle as one of the architects of this atrocity, going back to the 90s sometime when he wrote a policy/speech for Bibi Netanyahu basically throwing over any possibility of Peace in the Middle East.