America Is Not What It Seems....

[Hutzpa]

from the outside you would have thought this is the best place on earth to live, the picture is painted so nicely that you just felt money grows on trees around you, whereas you pick them as you go along and you can pick them up from the ground you walk on,in
retrospect it is quite the opposite, people are more wicked than your average citizen somewhere else, more bigoted, more wasteful, more arrogant, more chip on their shoulder, more opinionated with no regards of course, more vengeful, more hatered, more cry for blood (an eye for an eye). In all this is the country where people wants more death penalty, care less about the poor man and struggling family.

Your Judicial system is the worst I have ever seen, 'corrupt as hell' and you still think you have right, what right, the color (its actually colour)of money right, wishful thinking, your government takes you as a fool and are showing it by using the media, and you still think you live in a great country, please think again, you are controlled by the police, whatever they say in court goes, want to argue that point...well explain this to me, why is it when a police car is in front everyone drives slowly, afraid to pass, why? because there is no Justice that's why.

Your Judiciary answers to no one, how is that possible, I wonder. So this is not a great country,it use to be but not any more, the criminals are in control and you the people have no say in the matter.

DON'T WAIT TILL IT FALLS ON YOUR DOOR STEP BEFORE YOU DO SOMETHING, IT MIGHT BE TOO LATE THEN, DO SOMETHING NOW, GO OUT AND REGISTER TO VOTE, VOTE ! YOUR COUNTRY NEEDS YOU

Please no unnecessary post, let it be a constructive debate thank you

[Nite Owl]

1. People are sick, people are dying and going

broke from "The Best Medical Care in the World". When are people going to wake up, it's a fantasy world.

[forgethell]

2. The judiciary answers to no one,

I think you have hit the nail upon the fucking head!!

[burythehatchet]

3. aha! we've been infiltrated by a FRENCHMAN

:hi:
just kidding.
nice rant. everyone is not going to wake up at one time. it will take some blood, guts, and pain.

[morgan2]

4. but that is how america seems

the image of america on tv is a bit different though.

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[Hutzpa]

6. Day Job? when has stating the facts becomes

giving up the day job. You sounded hurt, your patriotic pride, this is exactly my point on my post, arrogance, instead of standing on the other side you stay one sided refusing to acknowledge there is a problem in this country.

China. North Korea. Anywhere in S. America or the 3rd world, for that matter.
Now tell me if this is not arrogance, instead of addressing the issues you point fingers, have you ever been to China, S.Korea and S.America, I doubt that pretty much, your judgment is based on the same propaganda that is being channeled through the media into the public right now, maybe if you try and visit these countries then maybe then you will see the true image. Being a Peace Officer does not exclude you, you can be part of the problem,

How breathtakingly, staggeringly idiotic. 'Controlled by the police'? How long have you been in this country, a few days?

now tell me if that's not a bigoted statement, address the point not the person making the point.

[smirkymonkey]

8. You are not stating facts, but observations you have made.

Some of them are true and can be supported by facts. Others are complete hyperbole.

Maybe it's because English is not your first language, but your tone is aggressive and you will probably get a lot of aggressive responses in return. You can't come on here, attack ALL Americans (especially on a Democratic website, where most of us are fighting against the kinds of things you mention) and expect that people are going to discuss this calmly and rationally.

If you are looking for a fight, you might be happier over at Free Republic.

[Hutzpa]

20. I'm not looking for a fight,

but an honest debate, yes you're right, its an observation, it is for people to point me to the right direction, not to attack me.

I was looking for someone to educate me, but so far I have not seen much different from my observation. All I'm getting is attack.

Lets deal with the real issues. I'm not here to do battle, we should be fighting the same course anyway.

[phylny]

25. You were looking for someone to educate you?

Not with that tone, you weren't. You were looking to make a point.

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[Hutzpa]

39. Hey! Peace Cop!!! Do you

agree with police harassment then, do you, If not, just incase you don't then, educate me with this scenario, why was a pregnant woman (5month) federal worker I might add, got jumped on, beaten and then taken to jail for talking on the, on the streets in D.C, explain that to me, top cop, why was a woman eating PayDay taken to jail, why are these things happening in America, why, and you speak of N.Korea and China.

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[DrWeird]

47. Do you still believe private business should be able to discriminate?

As in, white-owned diners should be able to refuse service to black people?

I know you've said it a couple of times. But it always surprises me. Especially coming from a cop.

[Character Assassin]

63. Yes, I do, and this hasn't changed.

People should also be free to take their business elsewhere.

I know I'd never patronize an establishment that discriminated based on race, and I know you wouldn't, so can you imagine how quickly someplace like that would go under? And, in the meantime, you get to know who is patronizing it, and can make your own judgements about them, accordingly.

Seems to me to work out all for the best.

[DrWeird]

71. How civil libertarian of you.

Well, libertarian anyway.

[Character Assassin]

74. One either stands on principle, or one doesn't

I refuse to agree with a gov't coercing party A into associating with Party B, with whom they otherwise choose not to.

This isn't rocket science.

[DrWeird]

84. That's true.

Either one believes in the Civil Rights Act or one doesn't.

[Character Assassin]

87. Whatever you say.

I believe in parts of it. Equal voting rights and absolute equity of rights in all things pertaining to the gov't and citizens relations to it.

But to legally coerce people into private associations that they have no desire to enter into? Nope, can't agree.

[camero]

76. Freedom of Association rocks

>sarcasm

[Character Assassin]

80. Don't like it? Don't espouse it

And don't be suprised when the Constitution is shredded even further by those looking to take away your freedom.

But don't worry, I don't expect you to understand that concept.

[camero]

81. and you do?

being an agent of the state?

[Character Assassin]

85. Yes, as a libertarian and as an agent of the state of CA

[camero]

86. Wow

Circular logic at it's best. When you do something wrong it's the state's fault. But the state can't tell you how to do your job.

[Character Assassin]

88. Not circular logic in the least.

I don't do anything wrong in the execution of my job's duties. And, as I work for the state, or at least under oath to the state, it can pretty much tell me how to act on the job.

It shouldn't need to be said, but "Duh".

[camero]

90. Dismantling the state by working for the state

"The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves" - Lenin

[Character Assassin]

94. Although he was human filth, Lenin did get at least one thing right

Rather like the blind squirrel.

[camero]

98. You agree with that? n/t

[Character Assassin]

102. Don't be so thick.

[camero]

91. Never?

You are the perfect human being eh?

[Character Assassin]

92. Not just no, but hell no. I am in no way perfect

But again, I have never, to my knowledge, arrested and worked for the conviction of the wrong man or woman.

You, conversely, seem to be wishing for the impossible.

Good luck.

[camero]

96. Beung elusive are we?

Of course it's impossible, we don't have your badge number or disciplinary record. But again, that's the state's perogitive, eh?

[Character Assassin]

101. Being purposefully dishonest, are you?

Of course 'we' don't. You have neither my department, name, badge number nor disciplinary record.

But you can suggest all you wish that I might, somehow, magically, have something to hide.

Just like I can suggest, all I wish, that you have impure thoughts towards those of less than legal age.

I doesn't mean anything, but it attracts the suckers.

[camero]

104. Not really

But if you haven't figured it out, just giving you the rope to hang yourself with. Beautiful. :toast:

[Character Assassin]

112. There is no such rope, and no hanging will occur.

But your inability to understand how one could do what I do and harbor the same philosophy is not my problem.

If you have any serious questions, feel fee to ask. Otherwise, you are wasting your own time.

Unless, of course, you derive entertainment value from braying about what you clearly don't understand.

[camero]

114. HaHa

You really do live up to your name CA. Because it's the only defense you have. :hi: Hasta la vista.

[Character Assassin]

117. Get back to me when you can actually address a point

I won't hold my breath, but don't forget to write, hmmmmmm?

[Hutzpa]

50. All of a sudden you run out of Idea....

I'm a cop in CA, and have no idea what the officer in D.C. saw or was thinking when the event occurred.

All of a sudden you ran out of idea now!!

Cop in LA...ah!!

Lets talk about California, the state that condone beating of poor folks, remember Rodney King, Donovan Jackson etc to name a few, lets not talk about wrong Justice, O.J, Michael Jackson, and the case right now Scott Petersen. If they are not being setup they are walking free due to police inadequacy. So what more you want to say LIBERTARIAN COP. So if I don't have money do not come to California right!!

[Character Assassin]

65. Really, dishonesty doesn't become you

Let me repeat myself: I ave no idea what the officer in D.C. saw or was thinking when the event occurred. Why in the hell would I? I wasn't there, and don't know the local laws there.

Cop in LA...ah!!

Do you try and be this dense? Who said anything about LA? It's not where I work.

Lets talk about California, the state that condone beating of poor folks, remember Rodney King, Donovan Jackson etc to name a few, lets not talk about wrong Justice, O.J, Michael Jackson, and the case right now Scott Petersen. If they are not being setup they are walking free due to police inadequacy. So what more you want to say LIBERTARIAN COP. So if I don't have money do not come to California right!!

If you do actually get some money, try getting an education, or paying someone else to spout at least marginally intelligent things in your place, as a stand-in. You won't look such a fool, then, and it would be money well spent.

[Hutzpa]

99. You remind me sooo much of the ReThuglican Party..

this is exactly what they are doing to Kerry, Defamation of character, not that I will expect you to know that, when someone makes a valid point you destroy them by their character, your post has been nothing but trying to point out how stupid I am, 'Shame on you' I pity the folks that are under your control, I do!!

People like yourselves have made this country to what it is now, and are still trying to destroy it just because you don't like who lives next to you. Now your attitude is coming across clearly as to the type of peace officer you are.

OH!! If you don't understand my point say so, stop attacking me please.for all I know you are not that different from me, with the display of intelligence I've seen.

Do you try and be this dense? Who said anything about LA? It's not where I work.

mistake on my part, from your tone I could have sworn you work around the LA area. ma bad!! >sarcasm

[Character Assassin]

106. That's because you can't differentiate between things.

this is exactly what they are doing to Kerry, Defamation of character, not that I will expect you to know that, when someone makes a valid point you destroy them by their character, your post has been nothing but trying to point out how stupid I am, 'Shame on you' I pity the folks that are under your control, I do!!

You haven't made a valid point, you've engaged in mindless attacks on LEOs based on fantasy speculation. Don't expect that to go unnoticed or unaddressed around here. You ask idiotic rhetorical questions that lead the reader to presuppose guilt on the part of LEOs. Sorry if that makes you uncomfortable, but I don't let that go without comment.

People like yourselves have made this country to what it is now, and are still trying to destroy it just because you don't like who lives next to you.

Bullshit, bullshit, bullshit. People like me protect innocent people from the real-world effects of the policies and laws voted into existence from people like you, who refuse to think and who vote party over principle, membership over citizenship.

Now your attitude is coming across clearly as to the type of peace officer you are.

You don't even know what type of person I am, let alone peace officer, but you assume you do, and this makes all the difference.

OH!! If you don't understand my point say so, stop attacking me please.for all I know you are not that different from me, with the display of intelligence I've seen.

I understand your point quite keenly, and that's why you've been called out like you have been. If you can't stand the heat, ask before accusing.

Do you try and be this dense? Who said anything about LA? It's not where I work.

mistake on my part, from your tone I could have sworn you work around the LA area. ma bad!! >sarcasm

This embodies the entirety of why you got slapped. Don't assume, don't couch it in terms of 'could have sworn', because you don't know me, you don't know the police and you don't know LA.

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[HEIL PRESIDENT GOD]

34. You are a cop

I'm not budging on this or talking to you

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44. Libertarian cop?

Impossible

[Character Assassin]

46. Read more slowly. I'm a libertarian, and a cop. Not a Libertarian

And, no, I assure you it's most certainly possible.

[camero]

49. Ironies never cease

Being against the state while being an agent of the state. Funny eh?

[Character Assassin]

58. 'Tis a fine line to walk, but it's manageable

There's a reason I'm in homicide and not narcotics.

I am of the state that I wish to, in no uncertain terms, dismantle to a great deal.

In the meantime, however, there are human shitbags who kill others with no reason whatsoever and think they can get away with it. I think it's something worth addressing.

[camero]

60. Yeah right

Sounds like "Noone should have too much power, unless it's me".

:eyes:

[Character Assassin]

66. Sounds like you don't know what you're talking about

I have no desire for personal power, but I do prefer to speak to those who are able to understand what is being said to them.

[camero]

67. Really?

And if your superior switched your duties to narcotics, you would leave the force? I doubt it seriously.

[Character Assassin]

72. That's not how it works in a PD

At least, not here. And would I consider leaving the force and working at some other department? You better believe it.

[camero]

73. And when you get the wrong man, you apologize?

Make amends to his family for his loss of freedom? Hardly.

[Character Assassin]

77. Huh? What does that have to do with anything?

To my knowledge, I've never got the wrong man. And, no, I wouldn't be responsible for that, Sacremento would.

[camero]

79. Passing the buck are we?

It's the state's fault when the wrong man is caught. How's that for personal responsibility?

[Character Assassin]

89. Please cite one example for me where this has occurred under my watch

Oh, that's right, you can't. And show me how this would apply to me, as an agent of the state.

Game. Set. Match.

[camero]

93. No game

That would involve you being transparent about your record. And if you caused someone to lose his livelihood over a false arrest, that arrest being a decision you made via officer's discretion, you are not responsible for it but the state is, in your opinion? That is passing the buck.

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[camero]

97. Because you have the records

being an agent of the state. Remember that when you have no probable cause.

[Character Assassin]

103. You really do live in a comic book, Goofus & Gallant world

With no PC, we get our cases thrown out, our evidence dismissed and we can be sued or get fired.

Or do you believe somehow that the judiciary of CA is somehow implicated in this nefarious machinery that you fear so greatly?

[camero]

105. I'm living in a comic book?

I'm not the one being an agent of the state while actively wanting it's elimination.

[Character Assassin]

110. Fool, I do not seek the elimination of the state.

Small 'l' libertarianism is a philosophy of many shadings and gradients.

This is lost on you, but don't expect to get away with such dishonesty by attributing to me positions I do not hold.

[camero]

111. small "l" libertarianism

Nobody should have power except me, right? Or, I want to do what I want and noone should stop me?

[Character Assassin]

113. Nope. Quite incorrect.

Trying reading up on it. I'm not about to give a full philosophical dissertation on it to someone who clearly doesn't understand it but pretends that he or she does.

[camero]

116. We've had this discussion before. Remember?

Individualist's unite. Hehe.

[H2O Man]

115. What do you have ....

when a wise man argues with a fool?


Two fools.


You two have more in common than that which separates you. I'd bet that those closest to each of you would agree on that. You've been set up on a silly meaningless "debate."

[camero]

118. You're right

But it was fun.

[Character Assassin]

119. There's no debate here

But your use of quotations is noted and appreciated

[DoNotRefill]

121. Jeez, Camaro, you need to chill out....

before you give yourself a heart attack. CA's good people.

[Redleg]

7. I get your point but believe you paint with too broad a brush.

You do a disservice to yourself to stereotype Americans the way you do. I believe there are a hell of a lot of good people still in this country- good people who don't have much power to change the system to make it better. I believe those good people are the great silent majority who will, one day, finally step up and demand accountability from our leaders and our institutions.

Your inflammatory message does more to discourage reasonable discourse on your "points." Instead, it makes me wonder what your ulterior motive is for posting. Flamebait?

[Hutzpa]

19. No doubt, but my target are the 50% n/t

[T Town Jake]

22. "but my target are the 50%"....

...then you should specify that, instead of broadbrushing the entire country. But you lost your credibility with me the second you said that what we know about the North Korean "system" is just "propaganda," so never mind.

[smirkymonkey]

9. Where are you from anyway?

or is this a just a drive-by post.

[Redleg]

10. bang-bang

I expect crazies to infest this site for the next month or so.

[MisterP]

11. how's this crazy?

a little generalistic, sure, but crazy?

[Redleg]

14. Perhaps not crazy in a clinical sense but still a bit shrill and

unreasonable in tone.

[Hutzpa]

15. FYI, this is not a drive-by....

bet you can't face the truth, say something tangible than that.

[smirkymonkey]

30. Wha??

:eyes:

[sweetheart]

13. It isn't and the evidence is anecdotal

As most of the rot, is left undocumented by a government that wishes
it were otherwise.

Statistics that support you: the prison population, the overwhelming
presence of non-white races in a theoretically demographically fair
system. The income distribution of the country, and the correlation
of that with infractions-with-police.

Whilst i can't say that americans are any "more" stupid, racist and
egocentric than any other nationals, the government certainly is...
and all of that, i attribute to a rotted news media system that sees
news as "entertainment" rather than substance.

A man running a california prison rehab program once told me after i
suggested that injustice was being done: "Ha ha.. you think the
prison system is about justice? It is about punative punishment,
and nobody gives a f**k about justice."

The police state has gone too far... even character assassin, is a
paid police officer, a tax-paid welfare queen who makes his career
"serving" the public, but as well, serving himself.

I hope you get some distance from these emotive thoughts and can
better elucidate your views as time progresses.

Welcome to DU, even though you've many posts, i've not welcomed you.

peace,
-s

[Hutzpa]

16. Peace! and Thank You!

:toast:

[TexasSissy]

17. Okay. Now let's discuss your country. What is it?

[Hutzpa]

18. Britain!

Whats your comment or point!

Edit: Jude Laws' country

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

23. yeah, lock-ins in the pub and High Street drunken violence at closing

....increasing violent crime rate...violence against persons up 17% , serious violence such as murder up 18%

....& then theres football hooligans and the BNP.

Britain sounds pretty brutal too.

[Waverley_Hills_Hiker]

24. land of the lager louts....

...from the BBC

Home Secretary David Blunkett has said he will not tolerate anti-social drunks turning city centres into "no-go areas".

Alcohol is the root cause of 70% of weekend night admissions to casualty, according to Home Office statistics.

And alcohol misuse is thought to cost Britain around £20 billion a year through crime, injuries and lost productivity at work.

and...

In a recent joint survey carried out by Alcohol Concern, Drugscope and the publication Personnel Today, 60 per cent of employers stated that their organisation had experienced problems as a result of employees' misuse of alcohol. Employers identified the following as arising from alcohol misuse in the last year:

* Absenteeism – identified by 75 per cent of employers
* Poor performance – identified by 61 per cent of employers
* Disciplinary procedures – identified by 42 per cent of employers
* Permanent loss of staff – identified by 30 per cent of employers
* Damage to business – identified by 8 per cent of employers
* Accidents at work – identified by 6 per cent of employers

Alcohol continues to be a significant factor in crime. In 40 per cent of violent crimes, victims say that the perpetrators were under the influence of alcohol.

Violent incidents in and around pubs and clubs accounted for nearly 1/5 of all violent crime. Figures from the British Crime Survey show that regular visitors to pubs and clubs were more than twice as likely to become victims of violent attacks than those who were not.

[Hutzpa]

26. Hey! at least our Judicial system

answers to someone, our police do not walk around being none friendly, and finally we are more accommodating than most nation I know.

[smirkymonkey]

31. You say you are from "Britain" but

English is obviously not your first language. Where are you originally from?

[AmerDem]

32. I pick up an Asian background

from this poster. Call it good intuition.

[Hutzpa]

38. What has my English got to do with

the facts or my observation. This is exactly my point, instead addressing the issues you become spiteful and vindictive, as long as there are people like yourself around, Kerry's job will be more difficult, hell maybe you not even a democrats, you probably just Roving as one, I've read some of your post closely, and your views.....lets just say, are somewhat closer to freeper land than Dem land.

[smirkymonkey]

100. That wasn't vindictive, just an observation, that's all.

Or maybe English is your first language and you are either illiterate or mangling it on purpose. Also, you are completely wrong about me, but you know that.

What exactly are your issues anyway?

[H2O Man]

109. Good questions!

I think you've caught on to what's occuring on this post. Some things are indeed not what they "appear" to be.

[H2O Man]

68. Questionable.

Something seems more questionable here. There are many, many people who come to the US, & speak English as a 2nd language .... and while they may speak in "broken English" they do not write in this manner. Rather, there seems to be an effort to create that impression.

[smirkymonkey]

122. Yes, notice the spelling seems to be fine.

Even on the 50 cent words. I think we may have a wabble wouser on our hands.

[Bjornsdotter]

21. You Have a Point....

...You are correct, America is not always as it is portrayed....unfortunately many, not all, buy into the "biggest", the "best", and the "most" in regards to the US. You will never open their eyes.

I actually know people who really believe all of those things and cannot acknowledge that our neighbors to the north actually have a better standard of living. These are also the same people who feel that they've been to Europe because they've visited the Epcot Center.

BTW, I do agree...50 years ago I think this was a great country....now we have a lot of work to make it great again.

Cheers,
Kim :toast:

[Hutzpa]

27. Someone do understand, Cheers Kim!!!

:toast:

[Jose Diablo]

33. Please, do not hold back

tell us what you really think.

I often wonder about our many friends in other countries and how they themselves make this world into a utopia.

[BlueJazz]

36. I have to admit.....I DO agree with part of what you say.

I DO believe part of the reason that so many Foreigners are quick to point out the unfairness and injustice in America is (partially) because a large share of Americans are so Phony. They'll shed a tear during the playing of "I'm proud to be an American" then turn around and have the attitude of "I got mine...Fuck You, Charlie" and on top of it all, won't even get up off of their Fat Asses and go vote.....

Maybe if they quit bragging so much about their country and actually DID something about the unfairness, then other folks would be a little kinder to them....

[Corgigal]

37. I had a teenager from Serbia live with me

for a full year under a exchange program. She always wanted to see America and told me some of the stories that happened in her country.

She had a nice stay here and is now part of our family. She saw some good things about America and she saw some things that are pretty much the same as in her country. I learned alot from her and I hope she learned a few things from us.

I guess it's all relative. She has come back to visit once after she went back to the university. She believes our justice system is better then her's because only the rich have access to it. I'm not talking America middle class territory but really rich.

Like all countries we have good and bad but don't slander a full country.

[Kaysera]

40. That's why so many people wish to come here ... and so few leave.

[camero]

42. A good many leave

Up to 48,000 per year leave the US.

http://www.census.gov/population/www/documentation/twps0010/twps0010.html

[Kaysera]

45. Compared to 1,250,000+ (legal/illegal) immigration per year, ...

... few indeed.

http://www.rapidimmigration.com/usa/1_eng_immigration_history.html

[camero]

48. Mostly from Mexico

So they can be used as slave labor here. From a government we're friends with. The US is far from paradise and if immigration rules in other countries were laxer, more would leave.

Don't delude yourself.

[Hutzpa]

51. This is the arrogance

I'm trying to point out.

[Kaysera]

52. Despite its flaws ... the U.S. is still the #1 desired immigration ...

... destination.

This is not arrogance, ... this is, quite simply, ... the truth.

[camero]

53. Why I don't think it's a democracy

The presidency came down to five lifetime appointed men and women, with no accountablity to anyone. That's like a king deciding who gets to be PM. We'll get it back but it's gonna be alot of work.

[Kaysera]

59. Actually, it was nine ... and their (one time) role was to ...

... rule on the legal issues regarding the extremely close election results.

[camero]

62. And who did they answer to?

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.

[Kaysera]

75. Does the buck not need to stop somewhere ?

(i.e. doesn't some(body) need to have the final authority ?)

[camero]

78. The people would be nice

Of course I guess some of us need a boss.

[Kaysera]

82. Well, ... the people will elect the officials ...

... who will appoint the judges ... who will make these decisions in the future.

Might not be instantaneous enough for you ... but that's life.

Of course I guess some of us need a boss.

From your response, ... may I presume you have no guiding authorities for your life ... (i.e. you drive as fast as you damn well please) ?

[camero]

83. Not if their votes aren't counted

Just because I do the speed limit doesn't mean I'm in fear of the authorities. It can mean I care for other's safety.

Is slavery freedom to you? How do you feel about the 2000 elections anyway?

[Kaysera]

55. Never claimed that the U.S. was paradise ...

... only that many peoples around the world still see it as a place where the opportunity exists to have a better life.

[camero]

57. Many from poor nations

Most migrants are economic, not political, though the politicians fool people into believing that.

[Kaysera]

61. Give us your tired ... your poor ...

We will feed them.

[camero]

64. Until they have no money

:eyes:

and we will exploit you too.

[Kaysera]

69. They have no money when they come ...

... and, despite this, they can, eventually, own a piece of the American dream.

In the meantime ... they are well-fed.

[camero]

70. Yeah right

And the smugglers work for free too. :eyes:

[Bjornsdotter]

107. Not so....

"They have no money when they come...."


Do you really believe that statement? That's a broad generalization.

Cheers,
Kim :toast:

[Kaysera]

108. For the illegals ... yes ...

[Bjornsdotter]

120. Not so....

....not sure where you are getting your facts from...

You are still generalizing....

Cheers,
Kim :toast:

[OxQQme]

54. police state imminent ?

I feel that 'spokane' speaks from our fears.
We can't get close to our president with opposing t-shirts.
We can't get close to our president with opposing POV's on banners.
We can't even get into a speech by him unless we 'REGISTER' and volunteer ourselves to future 'duty'.
A bazillion tax dollars for his protection in each city he visits.
Secrecy abounds.
War is Peace
We're going to shove our democracy down your throats whether you want it or not.
Eat these fries and hamburgers.

[Hutzpa]

56. At least somebody is listening. THANK YOU n/t

:thumbsup:

[pinto]

123. Locking.

This thread has generated such a number of personal attacks, back an' forth accusations and general animosity, that it does not seem to support the general purpose of a discussion forum.