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Digit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 10:08 PM
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What of the elderly in FL?.....
Watching the seniors who had their homes and dreams destroyed in Florida broke my heart.
You know that the current administration could give a damn. What is going to become of them?
I kept thinking...well, I have some room in my home. It is nothing fancy, but damn!
Is nobody out there to care what becomes of these folks?
We can't just DISCARD them!
Just had to post this since it is bothering me.

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asjr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 10:15 PM
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1. I have thought the same. They probably worked all their lives
and finally had enough to retire and move to a warmer climate. Shrub will not do anything except hand out ice. It is really heartbreaking for all those, not just seniors, people who have lost so much. It is not easy for seniors to start all over again. I hope help gets there soon.
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Digit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 10:24 PM
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6. Seniors just don't have the energy...
My grandparents are long since dead, but as I watch TV, I see the anguish in these seniors faces and voices. It just breaks my heart.
It is not like they were living "large", living beyond their means. They were existing, trying to live out their remaining years in a climate that would not aggravate their arhritis, etc. Many of them in not much more than a metal box called a mobile home.
I cannot convey how badly I feel for those people right now.
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sleipnir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 10:18 PM
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2. Wishing they moved to Arizona instead.
What a disaster this is.
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carpetbagger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 10:19 PM
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3. Their medicare premiums will go up by 17%.
After election day, of course.
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porphyrian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 10:21 PM
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4. Don't feel bad for all of those elderly in Florida...
Many of them are the problem. The rich retire there and vote assholes like Jeb! into office because they don't give a shit about education, the environment, or anyone who's a minority or poor. They cluster around the beaches in condos, walling them in so that you have to walk a mile to get to the public beach access. Sure, there are seniors I have compassion for, but don't make the mistake of thinking they all deserve the same. The scared, rich, entitlement-issued northern expatriate geezers can all rot. We'd all be better off if they were swept off to sea.
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Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 10:23 PM
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5. Truth “In the Eyes of Hurricanes”
Truth “In the Eyes of Hurricanes” By Dan Spillane, The Liberty Whistle
--Bush, Cheney, Zell Miller Need to Apologize
--Hurricane Threat Far Exceeds WMD
--Warming vs. “Natural Cycle” is Wrong Debate

(SEATTLE) 09/13/04 -- While the US media roars about which presidential candidate “might or might not” defend the country against terrorism, the discussion has itself grown into what it seeks to defeat. Recently, Mr. Cheney went so far as to employ terror on his own people for political means, by suggesting the country might be attacked if he lost power.

But as we focus on the terror threat-apparently, while we are expected to be trembling under our beds-we might miss so many other dangers in the world. After all, while September 11th was terrible, attacks against the US at home and abroad have been rather infrequent both before and since. Indeed, improved US security measures at home appear to be working. And importantly, examples abound in the Middle East that clearly demonstrate attacks beget revenge attacks-even for decades at a time, and running. So what other threats lurk in our future?

An important example--occurring with increasing frequency and intensity--are tropical hurricanes. Take Florida over the past few weeks, where two severe hurricanes have hit, a third is on the way, a fourth is headed towards Mexico and California, and incredibly, a fifth is newly forming (as of the date of this article). This is certainly a growing danger, and a hurricane is about as massive a destructive force as our planet offers. It turns out, the energy of a hurricane is truly “massively destructive”-it often exceeds that of a nuclear bomb. (1) So if the US has multiple nuclear bombs headed in its direction in just a few weeks, why aren’t leaders saying anything about it? Indeed, what long-term policy decisions have been made to defend against this growing threat--occurring with both higher frequency and more destructive force than terrorist attacks?

According to the best available research, we know that warmer oceans lead to more frequent and intense hurricanes-which is the cause currently, along with a few other factors. It is also known that global temperatures have been rising due to global warming, induced by higher energy use, and projections call for even more changes; in fact, the Bush administration (or portions of it) has recently admitted global warming is a problem. And yet there is currently a debate of whether the current wave of hurricanes is due to “global warming,” or due to a “natural cycle currently on the rise.”

Unfortunately, therein lies a serious logic problem-in treating the debate as if there are two mutually exclusive possibilities leading to a rash of hurricanes. This leaves out the third possibility--which is supported by the most evidence-with both natural hurricane and man-made warming cycles rising simultaneously. Indeed, the media is properly quoting experts who have reason to believe past natural cycles have occurred, and such a multi-decade cycle is currently on the rise, since 1995. But at the same time, there are myriad independent symptoms of rapidly increasing global temperatures, which started well before 1995, and have been rising constantly. In fact, some warming symptoms have arisen rather suddenly.

So no scientist can truly tell us what the outcome of a rise in twin cycles might be--since this is the first time the “natural cycle” is combined with the current level of man-made global warming. But disturbingly, even if critics are right, and global warming plays no part in what we are seeing play out in Florida now, we’re still left with the likelihood that the current natural increase cycle could last for decades; moreover, we are told nevertheless to expect increasing intensity due to global warming alone, when the natural cycle ebbs. In short, hurricane problems in Florida are not likely to end soon, for not simply one, but two reasons-in fact, hurricanes are most likely to worsen. People will, understandably, no longer wish to live in southern coastal areas; insurance companies will find it impossible to cover such liability. Such may even happen later this year.

And so here lies the nexus of proper debate this election year--in the eyes of hurricanes, which are certainly ‘oiled’ by increased use of energy. That is, the destructive force seen now in the Gulf of Mexico is the shape of things to come--no matter what the cause. Moreover, several elected officials have done absolutely nothing to defend us, and everything possible to put us in more danger. Notably, there is Sen. Zell Miller, who acted legislatively in favor of big auto and oil companies, nixing pollution standards for SUVs. Next, and more recently, Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney acted to pass tax cuts leading to still more SUV use--and as well, started the Iraqi war, which produces untold pollution. And if it's true that they seek Iraqi’s oil reserves, we could be in for a lot of trouble should that energy be released.

So the three-Bush, Cheney, and Miller--need to apologize for the current wave of hurricanes, and for endangering the country and our future with the force of hundreds of nuclear bombs. Only after that apology, might we talk about our false belief that Saddam Hussein could threaten the US--with but a tiny fraction of the destructive force already evidenced in the Gulf of Mexico this year.

Footnotes, Additional reading:

(1) Atlantic Oceanographic and Meteorological Laboratory; the calculation of 1.3 x 10e17 Joules/day is comparable to that of a nuclear explosion (at least); other sources suggest Hurricanes carry 10,000 times the energy of a nuclear bomb. Estimate -- one with seventeen zeros after it units of energy

(2) SUV Report
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Warpy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 10:28 PM
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7. FEMA will bring in "loaner" trailers for many of them
By the time FEMA wants them back, most of those folks will be dead.

Other than that, there is no social safety net. They have their social security, most of them, and not much else. They don't have anyplace to go and not enough income to rent cheap apartments.

I think the realization of what the destruction of the social safety net means is going to hit a lot of those old folks really hard over the next six months.

Maybe they'll stop voting for Repuglicans.
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SheilaT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 06:13 AM
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8. I'm not sure
they deserve any special consideration, any more than anyone else in Florida. People of all ages had their homes and dreams destroyed in Florida.

I'm not sure anyone who lives in Florida really should bother to be smug in the middle of winter when the Midwest or northeast is enduring a major snow storm. You want to live where you think it's paradise, you pay the price.

And if you do want to open your home to someone, that's truly generous of you, and you could probably locate someone through some kind of social service agency, your church if you belong to someone, or somehow. That is very generous of you.
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