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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 02:43 PM
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Screw Haiti !!
that is exactly what the world says again and again to the poorest country in the Americas.

**If you need a link then you really haven't been paying attention.
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rocktivity Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 02:45 PM
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1. No white people, no oil and there are plenty of other vacation spots
Sorry.

:shrug:
rocknation
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 02:46 PM
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2. Im sure if they would agree to work for US corporations
we could start caring.
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maxsolomon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 02:47 PM
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3. grow some oil, frenchies!
its a disgrace. what has bush done to help them?

ain't done shit. FEMA is barely in florida, let alone Haiti.
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 08:43 PM
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12. Bingo! Black people who speak FRENCH? Could rich white guys
hate a single demographic more than that?

(whisper) plus i heard they all have AIDS!!! (/whisper)
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slojim240 Donating Member (481 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 08:51 PM
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13. But they got their AIDS from rich white guys vacationing there.
Take it from me, my brother was one. He could tell you some things about how Haiti used to be the vacation spot for American gays.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 02:48 PM
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4. I don't need a link G_j
EVERY DEATH CREATES NEW ENEMIES
MORE TERRORISTS
MORE DANGER
MORE DEATH
AND REMEMBER...

HE IS JUST GETTING STARTED...

BUSH'S PLAN FOR PEACE
IS THE PEACE OF THE COMMON GRAVE

http://www.bushflash.com/pax.html WATCH THIS VIDEO TAKES 3 MINUTES


Wumpscut
Totmacher

sie ahnten nichts von mir
von meiner wilden gier
doch als du kamst zu mir
da wurde ich ein tier
kein gedanke an danach
als ich dir die knochen brach

tot tot tot ich mache dich tot
tot tot tot von blut alles rot

tot

fuer mein naechstes leben
schoepfe ich neue kraft
ich bin dem toeten ergeben
in der einzelhaft

tot tot tot ich mache dich tot
tot tot tot von blut alles rot
tot tot tot ich mache dich tot
tot tot tot von blut alles rot

ein dahinsichen
von gottes hand
ich kann dich riechen
und das denken verschwand

tot tot tot tot tot tot tot ich mache dich tot
tot tot tot von blut alles rot tot tot tot tot

ich mache dich tot ich mache dich tot
ich mache dich tot ich mache dich tot

sag mir was du willst
dass du meine sehnsucht stillst
ich mache dich tot fuer immerdar
von blut alles rot auf gottes altar

tot tot tot ich mache dich tot
tot tot tot von blut alles rot

ich mache dich tot fuer immerdar
ich mache dich tot glaub mir es ist wahr
ich mache dich tot fuer immerdar
ich mache dich tot auf gottes altar
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 03:04 PM
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6. That's powerful video. eom
eom
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speedoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 02:57 PM
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5. Isn't this Haitian gov't Bush-installed?
News reports are that the Haitian authorites are botching the delievery of relief supplies to the flooded city.

Does that not mean shrub bears some responsibility for this disaster?
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 03:08 PM
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7. Conclusive Evidence of U.S. Role in Kidnapping and Coup
Edited on Mon Sep-27-04 03:11 PM by seemslikeadream
PRESS ADVISORY
Monday, April 4, 2004
Media Contact: Dustin Langley 212-633-6646

As Bush Administration Scrambles to Shore Up Appointed Haitian Regime Commission to Present Conclusive Evidence of U.S. Role in Kidnapping and Coup

Date: Wednesday, April 7
Time: 6:30- 9:30 pm
Location: The Whitman Theatre at Brooklyn College

Panel to include: Rep. Maxine Waters, Rep. Major Owens, Former Attorney General Ramsey Clark, Ossie Davis, Gil Noble, Amy Goodman, Ron Daniels, and other prominent activists and journalists

The Bush Administration is facing a growing crisis over its role in the coup in Haiti and the kidnapping of President Jean-Bertrand Aristide, who continues to speak out about his abduction by the U.S. The 15-member organization of Caribbean nations, CARICOM, has refused to recognize the U.S.-installed regime and has called for an investigation, despite intense pressure and threats from the U.S. The 53-member African Union has raised the same demand.

On Wednesday, April 7, the Haiti Commission of Inquiry will initiate a public inquiry of the role of the Bush Administration in the crisis in Haiti. Delegations that visited both the Central African Republic and the Dominican Republic will present conclusive evidence that U.S. Special Forces armed, trained, and directed the "rebels" and engineered the abduction of President Aristide.

The preliminary report from the Commission states, "two hundred U.S. Special Forces soldiers came to the Dominican Republic as part of 'Operation Jaded Task,' with special authorization from President Hipólito Mejia. We have received many reports that this operation was used to train Haitian rebels. We have received many consistent reports of Haitian rebel training centers at or near Dominican military facilities. We have received many consistent reports of guns transported from the Dominican Republic to Haiti, some across the land border, and others shipped by sea."

Johnnie Stevens of the International Action Center, a member of the delegation to the Central African Republic, said, "The U.S.-installed Prime Minister, Gerard Latortue, has hailed the paid mercenaries as freedom fighters, and had thus discredited himself among the Caribbean nations."

Secretary of State Colin Powell, in a desperate bid to lend some credibility to the Latortue government, is now visiting Haiti for the first time. This attempt to put U. S. weight behind the isolated colonial-style regime is a response to its growing isolation. Sara Flounders, of the International Action Center, said, "This visit by Powell is a sign of the Bush Administration’s growing isolation and disarray. The U.S. is desperately trying to shore up a discredited regime in the face of international opposition to the appointed government of Haiti after the stinging rebuke directed at the U.S. by the recent CARICOM meeting." Flounders is a member of the Haiti Commission of Inquiry and was part of the delegation to the Central African Republic, where she visited with President Aristide shortly after his kidnapping.

Kim Ives from Haiti Progres, who was part of the delegation to the Dominican Republic, told the media, "In the course of our investigation here, we met with many Haitians who were forced to flee Haiti following the coup d'etat of Feb. 29. Their testimony gave very concrete names and faces to the stories of violence which we have heard that the so-called rebels, trained and assembled in the Dominican Republic, have carried out in Haiti over the past month. We were also touched by the tears of refugees who told us of how they are apprehensive over the fate of their loved ones left behind in Haiti."

For more information, or to schedule an interview with a member of the Commission, call Dustin Langley at 212-633-6646.

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US Troopers Secretly Land in Dominican Republic

The military training operation nicknamed Jaded Task took by surprise Dominican Foreign Ministry.

The US Army started today a training operation in the Caribbean country as part of routine maneuvers of the Southern Command. The landing had been kept so secretly that Dominican Foreign Ministry Hugo Tolentino was reported... by the TV.

As per the first reports, the US troops are training Dominican soldiers on anti-terrorism operations in the north of the island. When the national media started announcing the landing, country's Foreign Minister was having a lunch. Tolentino said that, as chief of the Dominican diplomacy, he should have been formally advised, as personally requested to the Dominican Army and the US Embassy to Santo Domingo.

(snip)

However, the most interesting thing, here, is that the Communist Party of the Dominican Republic did know about the operations. This correspondent had access to two formal communications issued by the US Embassy including details of these activities, during the Communist summit held in Buenos Aires in January. There, the US ambassador to Santo Domingo reported about 10.000 soldiers coming to the Dominican Republic to take part of the training.

Moreover, the communists and other leftist forces in the country made know such documents to the local media in November. According to the denounce, US soldiers can freely enter and leave the country without any kind of permission. Also, they can do it through owned means of conveyance.

more
http://english.pravda.ru/world/2003/02/20/43514.html


While I sit here trying to think of things to say
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1671438

Who's who of the Haiti Coup - death squad veterans and convicted murderers
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=1307941
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 08:38 PM
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11. I imagine the Republican backed thugs
are hording as much food and supplies for themselves as they can.
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YIMA Donating Member (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 03:09 PM
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8. I have a question?
How come the Dominican Republic never has the problems that Haiti has, yet they share the same island?
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MisterP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 09:01 PM
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14. they rather have, but not to the same extent;
probably because they're black. Cuba, Haiti, and the Dominincan Republic were despoiled by U.S.-backed dictators starting in the 30's: the Duvaliers utterly ravaged Haiti (with our support, o' course)
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buff2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 03:13 PM
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9. Geesus.........
That situation in Haiti makes me sick. Of course this idiot could care less.....they are the wrong color for bu$h and his nazis to worry about. If they were all white and "Christian Fundies" he would be asking for billions to send there. I feel so sorry for those people. I wish we had a decent PRESIDENT who had the sense to help people who really needed it and didn't create poverty like bu$h has done in Iraq.It's amazing how this ignorant bastard has all his priorities in the wrong places and his sheeple could care less.PLEASE GOD......SAVE US FROM THIS MADMAN AND GET HIM OUT OF OUR WHITEHOUSE!
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 04:14 PM
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10. Tomahawk cruise missile: $1.3 million, 725 used in Iraq
Edited on Mon Sep-27-04 04:18 PM by G_j
http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/redir.php?jid=d5a46b0942028efa&cat=8d0a8b42a4163d9f

Washington turns its back on Haitian catastrophe

<snip>

Two days after its $60,000 insult to Haiti, the USAID amended its offer, pledging $2 million and sending an additional $153,000 in supplies. The press reported that the shift was in response to widespread international criticism.

The money is still grossly inadequate. Faced with far less severe damage in the US from Hurricane Ivan, the Bush administration rushed last week to put together a package of $5 billion in relief.

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http://expage.com/notowar4a

$1.3 million: Unit cost of one Tomahawk cruise missile.
725: By April 3, 2003, number of Tomahawks used in Iraq.


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http://www.haitisurf.com/newssection.shtml

http://hrw.org/doc/?t=americas&c=haiti

http://www.americas.org/item_16479
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 10:37 PM
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15. Want to light a candle instead of curse the darkness? You can donate here:
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Blitzburgh Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 11:39 PM
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16. Not quite clear on why it is our
immediate fault and responsibilty. Not likely we are screaming at them to take care of our catastrophes now eh?
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Ravenseye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 11:43 PM
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17. I partially agree...
...and don't understand why the US just HAS to help everyone. Granted I don't like what Bush is doing, but people are happy enough to rant and rave against us, until they need us. It's the same old story. "BAH we don't want the US interfering in our lives."...then one disaster or invasion later..."Why isn't the US helping us?!?"

With that said, and that's my gut reaction, we should help anyone who needs help. It's who we are as Americans. How bout this, though. We get them back on their feet, then actually spend some money and help them get their country standing to the point where if it happens again they won't need as much help. Teach a man to fish.

It just seems that we go in to hotspots or distaster areas, and give JUST ENOUGH help to get the people to not be dying in the streets. Then we leave and things either fall to shit again, or stay blech until the next disaster.

All i'm saying is we shoudl help people to surivive, and THEN help them to help themselves. It'd save money and more importantly LIVES in the long run.
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 06:49 AM
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20. It's helpful to know some Haitian history
to understand that Haiti is what it is today not 'in spite of' but 'because of' the actions of developed nations.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 11:48 PM
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18. Because I am my brother's keeper.
You remember:

"Heal the sick,
clothe the naked,
feed the hungry,
shelter the homeless,
Whatever you do to the least of my brothers, you do also to me."

I can't remember who said that stuff, but seems like good ideas to live by....

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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-27-04 11:49 PM
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19. Well apparently that is what bush* said to America
in '00! and beyond and to the rest of the world. So why would we think he would care about a Third World County of brown people, if he doesn't give a rat's a$$ about us? Just saying!
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-28-04 02:38 PM
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21. Haiti has never been forgiven...
By the "civilized" world for being the second country in the Western Hemisphere to win its independance. What's worse, the slaves rose up against their masters.

The USA invaded Haiti four times in the 20th century. Sometimes direct invasion was not necessary--Aristide was overthrown with our "help".
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