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anti_shrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 12:21 AM
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Rush is terrified of Dean
Before I begin, let me add a disclaimer that I favor no candidate over another at this time. As the avatar suggests, I plan to pull the lever for anyone under the "Democrat" row in November 2004. I don't care if its Oscar the fucking Grouch, whatever it takes to end the Bush Reich.

Now, on to the subject at hand.

I was driving to take a test for a civil service job, when I came across Rush's show. I like to keep up with what the latest meme is on his show so I can call people on it who parrot him.

Well today he spent the entire hour I was listening on how inconsequenial Dean is.

Let's reflect on that last part.

Rush, who anyone (especially him) will tell you is probably the most influential conservative voice in the US, spent one third of his show - and possibly more - on how Dean doesn't matter.

He actually had 2 liberal callers on. The first was the typical wimpy milquetoast liberal he lets on just to emasculate, and he did, but the second was an honest to goodness testicle sportin' lib. He let Rush go on about how Bush does have an exit strategy, that being victory, and electing a liberal as Commander in Chief would put us at risk. The liberal asked Rush how does he define victory? Was it no soliders being picked off? Was it holding elections in Iraq? Rush was clearly caught off guard and sputtered to a commercial break.

My point? Despite all the media harping on now the Dems have no chance of winning in 2004, the truth is that the Pubbies are scared poopless. They know that their party spent so much time and effort lining the pockets of the rich that it's become obvious to a lot of people who don't follow politics. They know those people are pissed, and they're pissed at Bush.

No matter who your canidate choice is, don't let them convince you we can't win. They don't believe it and neither should you.
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sal Donating Member (321 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 12:36 AM
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1. Can I send you a Dean bumber sticker or yard sign? :)
You are a committed Democrat who can pursuade others. Rush is afraid of Dean because he has wide voter appeal.
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anti_shrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 12:44 AM
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3. Sure, I'll support any Dem I can
Ironically what seemed to get Rush's attention is how much money Dean has raised so far. No shocker there, money gets the Pubbies attention, but the amount he's been able to raise as someone the Powers that Be didn't want to be the Dem choice showed how pissed people are getting.

Remember those famous words, "Don't give up, don't *ever* give up."
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markus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 11:11 AM
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20. "Don't give up, don't *ever* give up."
"Ya gotta be a spirit. Don't be no ghost."

eom
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gully Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 10:32 AM
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17. Can I have some??? Go Dean!!! N/T
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VolcanoJen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 12:38 AM
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2. I may live in a fanciful dream world, but...
... in it, all progressive voters feel this way, expressed rather perfectly by anti_shrub:

Before I begin, let me add a disclaimer that I favor no candidate over another at this time. As the avatar suggests, I plan to pull the lever for anyone under the "Democrat" row in November 2004. I don't care if its Oscar the fucking Grouch, whatever it takes to end the Bush Reich.

:-)
Jennifer
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 01:34 AM
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4. Repug signature is familiar: fear
Fear is what it's all about--Iraq, North Korea, Iran, gay rights, you name it. These are very small people that don't deserve to have a say.

Don't give Limbaugh an audience. Just turn him off.
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anti_shrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 01:54 AM
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5. Its easy to turn him off
Its better to listen to his show to see what the next wave of right wing talking points will be and formulate a response so you can verbally slap around the first ditto monkey who tries it on you.

I don't take part in any ratings research, so I'm not contributing to his ratings. I don't think Rush cares too much about ratings anyway, he just tells advertisers he gets a jillion bazillion listeners and they throw cash at him on sight regardless of wether he has that size audience or not.

I don't listen to all 3 hours every day, even I'm not that much of a sadist, but to completely shut out the conservative message leaves you ill prepared to combat it.

Besides, like Rush says, its entertainment. I like to do what Al Franken talks about in his new book. Have a contest with yourself to see how many lies Rush spews in a certain period of time.
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wtmusic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 02:09 AM
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8. If you enjoy it fine
I don't enjoy listening to an idealogic numbskull, and I don't really care what his or other Republican 'talking points' are. If I'm armed with facts they can devise whatever talking points they want--they don't stand a chance.

The amount of money Rush makes and the amount radio stations who carry him can charge advertisers is directly proportional to their Arbitron ratings, i.e. how many people listen.
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JackSwift Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 01:55 AM
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6. The pubbies are afraid that Dean is the second coming
of Big Dog. Even a stopped clock is right twice a day.
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anti_shrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 02:03 AM
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7. Indeed, that was an underlying theme of Rush's
He was harping on how people refer to Dean as "Clinton-esque", which led Rush into a ironically hilarious diatribe on how that must mean he tells lies.

Speaking of Clinton, here's a nice whopper from Rush: He's claiming if Dean gets the nom, and somehow wins (Rush seemed to back off the "no hope" mantra rather fast) that the Clintons will be pissed since he thinks their plan is for the Dems to lose in 2004 so Hillary can be our savior in 2008.

He went as far as to say the Clintons will attempt to derail Dean's campaign if he wins the nomination.

Now Rush is the guy who thinks Clinton is the Don of a muderous crime syndicate (talk about projection), so take that with a boulder of salt.

Bottom line is the usual loony right wing propaganda about Dems has the wheels falling off like a '76 Pinto. The GOP thought they had a slam dunk and now they're staring down the teeth of a pissed off electorate.
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RevolutionStartsNow Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 02:12 AM
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9. Nothing warms my heart more...
than to hear the Repub pundits like Rush scrambling for an angle on Dean.
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 07:27 AM
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10. We CAN Win!
It absolutely infuriated me to see how desperately the news media tried, from as early as mid 1999, to convince the public that 2000 was going to be bush jr.'s coronation and we may as well not even bother to have the election!:crazy: !

Even with that, the huge rethuglican $ advantage and dishonest counting, we DID win in 2000. We just didn't get our man sworn in:wtf:

2004 is very winable. By the way, I wonder how the Teamsters union is feeling about "Operation Jimmy Hoffa" in Iraq to find Iraqui criminals?

Any D over any r in '04! :bounce:
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StrongBad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 07:49 AM
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12. Do you recall...
...what the exact money disparity was between the Dem and Repub candidate? I'm just wondering for reference purposes regarding this election.
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MarianJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-29-03 05:54 AM
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23. I Don't Know Exactly.
It was in the area of 100,000,000. But the rethuglicans ALWAYS have a huge $ advantage. If we're united, we win more often than not.

Any D over any r in '04!:bounce:
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Kahuna Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 07:47 AM
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11. Dean polls last among the top tier against bush.
Why should rush be afraid of him. Dean would be his dream come true. The candidate with the most momentum but who also polls the worse against bush. I don't get your logic.
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StrongBad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 07:50 AM
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13. Do you have a link to this poll/study?
Thanks...
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farmbo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 12:02 PM
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22. Yeah right...In a "blind bio " poll paid for by DraftClark
That poll is about as useful as the Pope's testicles.

:)
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Carmerian Donating Member (203 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 08:16 AM
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14. Dean needs to publicly slap Limbaugh on this
From his website, about Dean :

The truth? Dean raised $10.3 million in filthy special interest cash during the three months ending in September - a pace only Clinton exceeded in 1995. Even so, that's a paltry amount of money to be getting all excited about when it costs 20 times that to run for president."

Individuals contributing $20 or $50 at a time to Dean's campaign are "filty special interest" groups?
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Gin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 08:20 AM
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15. Color me a part of the "Filthy Special Interest Group"
I contributed!
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indigo32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 10:53 AM
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19. I'm a filthy special interest group too
Yay!!!! :)
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anti_shrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 11:17 AM
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21. Consdering how Rush views the common folk
filthy seems appropriate from his point of view.
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Kbowe Donating Member (272 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 09:03 AM
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16. Evewn Rush will be voting Democratic in the next election...
Bush has been such a major embarrassment if he is the nominee for the Republicans, a lot of Repugs will vote for the Dem...but they won't let anyone know.
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GalleryGod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Aug-28-03 10:44 AM
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18. Yeah, SURE!?!?!
:puffpiece: I think NOT, Matey!
:donut:
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