rathergate.com!

[George_S]

Heh, heh-heh.

American Target Advertising
9625 Surveyor Court, Suite 400
Manassas, VA 20110
US

Domain Name: RATHERGATE.COM

Administrative Contact
Mike Krempasky: [e-mail]
RatherGate
6814 Kincaid Ave
Falls Church, VA 22042
US
Phone [phone]
Fax
Technical Contact
Mike Krempasky: [e-mail]
RatherGate
6814 Kincaid Ave
Falls Church, VA 22042
US
Phone [phone]
Fax

Record updated date: 2004-09-13 17:54:42
Record created date: 2004-09-10
Record expires on date: 2005-09-10
Database last updated on: 2004-09-20 19:17:52 EST

Domain servers in listed order:

NS1.RIGHTINTERNET.COM 63.219.151.3
NS2.RIGHTINTERNET.COM 69.10.137.166

Mike Krempasky: "I've been using Roger Stone's email system for one of my California statewide campaigns."

Guess ol' Roger-Dodger's email system sucks, but that ain't the point.

We have a connection.

[dweller]

1. what have you got here?

speel it owt for uz pleeze...

dp

[George_S]

3. Just a tip of the iceberg....

and not new news after all:

http://surrealcafe.motime.com/

About half way down is an article on it.

But Mike Krempasky does use Roger Stone's emailing system. How he got it, who knows. It shouldn't be hard to make a connection to Krempasky, to Buckhead, to Stone.

[progressivebydesign]

10. Hey George..

Interesting find. I notice that "rathergate" was created BEFORE there WAS any type of "rathergate", did you notice that? As though this was in place for the impending smack down of Rather. The phone number for the contact is actually a CAB company!! Hmmmmmmm...

[George_S]

50. Was it?

That's what I thought at first, but the 60 Minutes report was on the 8th, wasn't it? rathergate.com was created on the 9th, it looks like. Can they change those numbers? It's possible they just added rathergate.com to an already established domain.

[Carla in Ca]

25. I gotta tell ya...Dan Rather's ratings are up 14 points.

in '2004' thread. Olberman says it is more of a bounce than * got out of his convention!!!

[MallRat]

2. Explain- where's the connection?

The ISP? American Target Advertising?

American Target is Richard Viguerie's operation.

-MR

[progressivebydesign]

11. So.. who is "Richard Viguerie"?? edited..

Okay, looked him up. He's a Judicial Watch type, also connected to Scaife. If this guy registered that domain name, "rathergate" BEFORE there WAS a so-called "rathergate", then this merits more research. YOu'd think they'd be smarter than that.. but sometimes it's the details that slip you up.

[Carla in Ca]

18. You have your thinking cap on! Good point.

n/t

[Hephaistos]

116. VIGUERIE - JACKPOT!

Philalethes over at Atrios posted this tidbit from an old WaPo article:

<i>Richard A. Viguerie, the conservative fund-raiser, said: "In order to accomplish what we want politically, <b>there is going to have to be a change in the media." Viguerie said he is involved in an entirely separate venture with a group of "substantial" conservatives who have hired financial specialists to find prospective print and television media targets to buy or take over</b>.

In the case of Fairness in Media, just days after the November election, one man, Thomas F. Ellis, the backroom architect of Helms' rise to political power, <b>conceived of the attack on CBS</b> as a way to capitalize on President Reagan's landslide victory and on Helms come-from-behind drive to win a third term in the Senate.
</i>

... more on an attempted takeover 20 years ago of CBS by Jesse Helms and friends at the link:

http://www.ferris.edu/isar/Institut/pioneer/Helms.htm

[George_S]

118. Yikes!

Good work.

[George_S]

119. For the big picture if any don't already know...

http://www.fair.org/

Be forewarned though that they will criticize either side. And that is good.

[Hephaistos]

124. They are not the same organization

fair.org is NOT the same as "Fairness in Media", which is a conservative group formerly associated with Jesse Helms.

They are also mentioned on another right-wing web site called ratherbiased.com Link

[George_S]

125. True

fair.org is about the attempted, and succeeding, corporate takeover of the media.

[starroute]

128. Thomas F. Ellis? Lots of bad associations there

http://www.seekgod.ca/cnp.e.htm#ellis

The Pioneer Fund served as a small part of "a multimillion dollar political empire of corporations, foundations, political action committees and ad hoc groups" active in 1980s (Washington Post, March 31, 1985, p. 1; A16) developed by Tom Ellis, Harry Weyher, Marion Parrott, Carter Wrenn and Jesse Helms. The Fund has served as a nexus between academic theory and practical political ideology. It's leadership, especially, Harry Weyher, Thomas F. Ellis and Marion A. Parrott are part of an interlocking set of directorates and associates linking the Pioneer Fund to Jesse Helms' high-tech political machine. Ellis, for example, simultaneously served as Chairman of the National Congressional Club and the Coalition for Freedom, co-founder of Fairness in Media, a board member of the Educational Support Foundation and Director of the Pioneer Fund.

Recipients of Pioneer grants have included most of the leading Anglo-American academic race-scientists of the last several decades have been funded by the Pioneer, including William Shockley, Hans J. Eysenck, Arthur Jensen, Roger Pearson, Richard Lynn, J. Philippe Rushton, R. Travis Osborne, Linda Gottfredson, Robert A. Gordon, Daniel R. Vining, Jr., Michael Levin, and Seymour Itzkoff - all cited in The Bell Curve.

<snip>

The Congressional Club began after the 1972 Senate campaign, when Ellis retained Richard Viguerie (CNP) to help pay off the Helms campaign debt. Ellis and Viguerie built the Congressional Club mailing list to more than 300,000 regular contributors -- a constituency for Helms and a major financial resource within the conservative movement... Besides Viguerie, Phillips {Howard Phillips}, and Dolan {John T. (Terry) Dolan} connections, Helms is actively represented in Weyrich's {Paul Weyrich} coordinating groups.


This Ellis stuff is all a generation back now, but the same names do coming around. For example, note the mention of Terry Dolan -- the childhood buddy and longtime associate of Roger Stone whose name is being tossed around in connection with the origin of the CBS memos.

(There's also a Thomas F. Ellis III currently associated with the Carlyle Group -- would he be a son of this one?)

[dweller]

4. .

:kick:



dp

[Dark]

5. I'm not sure I understand. n/t

[AlCzervik]

6. the guy who owns the site also uses the same emailing network that stone

does. It could just be a coincidence or maybe it's not.

[progressivebydesign]

8. The phonenumber is probably fake:

703-333-3333 Isn't that what's on the WHOIS for that site?? THink I'll try it.. Okay, It's the phone number to RED TOP CAB.. a nice lady dispatcher answered the phone. Her name was Eleanor.

[mkrempasky]

47. Indeed, that's not the real phone number

I'm one of these folks that only has one number - a cell. Not going in the WHOIS registry, that one.

But that reminds me, I do owe an apology to RedTop - just threw in some numbers, never thought it would end up a real number.

[George_S]

52. Mike?

Is that really you?

How 'bout saving us all a lot of time and trouble and tell us the common denominator between you, the Swift Boat people, and "rathergate"? Is it freerepublic.com?

Sure, the common denominator is liberal bashing, but can you narrow it down for us?

[George_S]

57. Free Republic

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1214580/posts

[Carni]

92. HEY! IF IT IS FAKE it's a federal crime

I just read something about that like two days ago (wish I had the article) Asscrack's DOJ is apparently trying to crack down on website owners and wants full transparency!

[progressivebydesign]

7. Great find! Keep digging!!

These people aren't intelligent enough to keep this a secret. Stone was all over tv because the Bush family ordered him to... James Baker is probably callng the shots again, as he did when he ordered Stone to Florida to work the recount riot. Remember, Stone's ex-wife owns a GRAPHICS company in Florida, thru which he's run money.. and graphics.. hmmm.. like reproducing an document to look old? Hmmmmm...

[starroute]

102. Krempasky was in Florida for that recount riot!

http://www.nationalreview.com/daily/nrprint113000.html

National Review
11/30/00 5:10 p.m.

The coverage of the Republican protests in Florida has been reminiscent of the coverage nine years ago of pro-life demonstrations in Wichita, Kansas. The anchors kept talking about "a tense situation here tonight in Wichita," but anyone who looked around could see a scene about as tense as a church picnic — perhaps because most of the protestors were the sort of people who go to church picnics.

In USA Today a few days ago, Marilyn Adams offered a sterling example of the genre headlined "Voices, vitriol rise as dispute becomes 'war.'" A few of the adjectives deployed: "nasty," "disturbing," "ugly," "alarming." Tempers were thin, zeal was competitive, cliches were strewn about like chads after a Democratic handcount. She asks Abe Bonowitz, an "anti-death-penalty activist" and Gore supporter, if he feels "nervous about being outnumbered." (By the way, to say that Bonowitz is an activist is a bit of an understatement — unlike most of the Republicans there, he has a sizable arrest record).

Michael Krempasky, one of the Republicans who went to Florida to help the Bush campaign, says he was standing by Adams and Bonowitz during their interview.

[progressivebydesign]

9. WHOA.. LOOK AT THE DATE IT WAS CREATED!!!!!!

9/10?? LONG before this story fell apart!!! Keep digging DUers. 9/10!!! That's how many days ago??? 12 days.. long before there was even a hint of Rathergate.

[Artemis Bunyon]

14. That's 9/10, isn't it?

X

[Artemis Bunyon]

16. Less than 48 hours after the broadcast, well before public doubts

Strange... or not, depending.

[progressivebydesign]

17. Fixed that date.. sorry.. oops! 9/10! That's even worse! n/t

[KansDem]

34. 9/9 (see post 33) (nt)

[mkrempasky]

46. Actually, no. The term rathergate was coined on 9/9

And not by me.

PoliPundit was the first to use the phrase, best I can tell. If someone else deserves credit, I'm happy to give it to them.

You can see the PoliPundit post here: http://polipundit.com/index.php?p=3842

If you like, I'm sure I can find a lot of bloggers that gave credit to that site as well.

[George_S]

54. POLIPUNDIT.COM

Registrant:
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
15111 N Hayden Rd., Suite 160
PMB353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com
Domain Name: POLIPUNDIT.COM
Created on: 19-Dec-02
Expires on: 19-Dec-04
Last Updated on: 20-Oct-03

Administrative Contact:
Private, Registration [e-mail]
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
15111 N Hayden Rd., Suite 160
PMB353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
[phone] Fax --
Technical Contact:
Private, Registration [e-mail]
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
15111 N Hayden Rd., Suite 160
PMB353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
[phone] Fax --

Domain servers in listed order:
NS5.ZONEEDIT.COM
NS7.ZONEEDIT.COM

[LincolnMcGrath]

12. Kick

:kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick: :kick:

[mmonk]

13. This can't be true

no one's that sloppy. Is this a setup?

[mmonk]

15. I need to check

the whois database. Is that where you got it?

[progressivebydesign]

19. In the WHOIS there are three dates.

1. Date of creation 9/10
2. Date of update 9/13
3. Recent update 9/20

How would someone take upon themselves to create a "rathergate" website less than 48 hours after the original broadcast? The ISP is owned by a Judicial Watch.. Scaife guy. The guy that owns the domain is a well known republican blogger.. based in Virginia.. Which seems to support legions of political fringers who are supported financial by the darkworld of GOP.

[mmonk]

21. found it

[KansDem]

27. Could this be significant? (date and time)

Friday, September 10, 2004
Rathergate.
Ah, some typography humor to break up the griminess of the current election season. Thanks Polipundit! I ran across that while looking for commentary about last night's "Nightline," which I TiVo'd because I'd heard they were going to cover the forgery story. I thought it was a bit laughable that instead of covering that breaking story in depth, they just merged it into the general theme of negative campaigning. Oh, everyone's so bad that we all just want to look away. Please look away, now, please! Oh, Nightline! At least the Times and the Post are looking straight at this ... which they would do whether bloggers leaned on them or not. Right?

UPDATE: More forgery humor here. Very funny! (Via Instapundit.)
posted by Ann Althouse at 8:01 AM

http://althouse.blogspot.com/2004/09/rathergate.html

(The "th" in "Rathergate" is superscripted)

[progressivebydesign]

28. What do you make of that?

I really can't figure it out.. why were people already discussing "rathergate"?? When the story was still fresh.

[progressivebydesign]

29. What do you make of that?

I really can't figure it out.. why were people already discussing "rathergate"?? When the story was still fresh.

[KansDem]

31. That's what I wondered...and at "8:01" in the morning...

:shrug:

[KansDem]

33. "Rathergate" or rather "Rather'sgate" seems to go back to Sept. 9th...

Thu - September 9, 2004

Fontgate...


(the above is a .jpg ???)

CBS's 'gotcha' documents are not real??? Interesting.

Update: I just went and typed on 5 different typewriters. Can't get the 'th' to go superscript. Talked with a secretary who has used typewriters since 1954. She said, "I have never seen a typewriter that can do that." Interesting, very interesting.
--So within 12 hours or so of the broadcast, this person "typed on 5 different typewriters" and talked to a secretary about the "th"??? He/she was certainly busy!!! How many DUers attempted to find just one typewriter from that era???

Update II: Just looked at my DD-214 and DD-256 from when I got out of the USAF in 1985 (when I get home I will look at more docs... Looked and what I say applies.). Both have even spacing between words/numbers and both look like they were done on a typewriter. On both documents there is 'on the 21st day' and the 'st' is on the same level as the numbers. Hmmm...

Update III: Related here and here and here. Even more here and here. More.

Update IV: LGF gives it a try.

Update V: CBS admits they have no idea where the documents came from? Dan's office? I am just asking, dang.

Update VI: WOW! Powerline has been linked by Drudge:

(more)
http://homepage.mac.com/sbooneaz/iblog/C1090174771/

--Posted at 10:47 AM

So a jpeg of "Rather'sGate" was available before noon on the 9th? Any importance?

[jmowreader]

111. Extreme importance

This indicates that the whole thing is a setup designed to destroy CBS as a trusted news source.

We have been able to tie the Swifties to Rove for a month at least--ever since the New York Times chart of SBVT connections was released. (Rove is on it.) It shouldn't be hard to tie these folks to Rove as well.

Here's how it is done:

1. We know that the freeper Buckhead has worked with Kenneth Starr.
2. The most direct line here is to tie Starr to Rove, which shouldn't be hard. http://swiftvets.eriposte.com/behindsbv.htm should help.
3. Once we tie Rove into Starr, from there we can prove that the White House is running all of the anti-Kerry 527 groups.

[starroute]

129. Another link in the chain

FEC Complaint Filed Against CBS and Kerry
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/9/23/153054.shtml

The Center for Individual Freedom today filed a complaint with the Federal Election Commission charging CBS and Sen. John Kerry's presidential campaign with illegal coordination.

The two Democrat organizations "violated federal campaign finance laws when they colluded to attack President Bush based on claims and documents now believed to be fake," the center announced from Alexandria, Va.


The juicy part is that CFIF turns out to have been intimately associated with Ken Starr and Harry MacDougald (Buckhead) in a recent suit against campaign finance reform. This is from CFIF's own site:

http://www.cfif.org/htdocs/legislative_issues/federal_issues/hot_issues_in_congress/campaign_finance_reform/center_challenging.htm

On March 27, 2002, President George W. Bush – privately, without ceremony or even a publicly released photograph – signed into law the bill commonly referred to as "campaign finance reform"– the most extensive and insidious assault on political speech ever ventured in the U.S.

Lawsuits were filed immediately, most prominently by U.S. Senator Mitch McConnell (R-KY), who has for years spearheaded the vigorous and articulate opposition to this misguided legislation in Congress.

<snip>

A distinguished legal team of constitutional and federal election law attorneys, led by Kenneth W. Starr, has been assembled by Senator McConnell, who anticipates the addition of a wide variety of co-plaintiffs. The Center for Individual Freedom will be one of those, and will be represented by the Southeastern Legal Foundation.

The Southern Legal Foundation, of course, is the group of which Harry MacDougald is on the legal advisory board, and he was one of their attorneys for this suit. See http://www.jamesmadisoncenter.org/McConellvsFEC/docket.8.6.2002.pdf for the filing with Starr's and MacDougald's names.


These people just can't help themselves, can they?

[George_S]

133. Damn!

So MacDougald has a vested interest in this and stands to gain more than a little political pat on the back!

Nice work!

[dweller]

134. and with this info

a gentle prod

please start a new thread.
link to the new and in the new a link back to the original.

this info could build into many more threads.

thanks
dp

[George_S]

135. starroute

You want to do this? Go for it.

[starroute]

139. There's an existing thread on the FEC filing -- but it's already sunk

I posted the CFIF/MacDougald connection there three hours ago, and mine was the last post on the thread. That's why I repeated the information over here and didn't bother linking. However, if there's interest in continuing the topic, probably better to kick that other thread up than to start a new one. It's in LBN at:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x859942

[George_S]

144. Ah

Whatever keeps it going then.

[dweller]

156. i tried

link below, with a new thread link provided.
i alerted a mod to lock this one and point to another, that was already started, posted below.
i asked in ATA.
no luck

i guess i'm on universal ignore.

maybe you could try. Links already set, see post #146 below.
i give up.
dialup sux


peace,
dp

[Carla in Ca]

20. kick keep going.

:kick:

[progressivebydesign]

22. Okay.. on www.rathergate.com..

I found an interesting comment from the website owner:

U"SA Today on bloggers
Filed under: General— Mike @ 6:02 pm
A nice article on blogging and the CBS scandal today in USA Today. Predictably, they put rathergate.com in far too prominent a place. It hardly “led” anything. Just a catchy domain name, is all. That said, the idea of a screenshot from this site in the print edition is wicked cool. "

Ah gee, shucks, Mike.. you HARDLY LED the thing, did you? Only registering that "catchy" name less than 48 hours after the first broadcast... wow.. like a psychic or something. I also gleaned that he was referred to as a "shadowy republican operative" by Olbermann.

[George_S]

58. They just organized...

very quickly. Can't fault them for that. Have to give them kudos, actually. And it doesn't in any way mean they were directly involved in the forging of the Buckhead documents. However, all of them so far, from the SwiftBoat people to the rathergate people, have freerepublic in common.

[progressivebydesign]

67. Quickly organized.. but on whose orders?

The site he put up is quite professional. He works for a company that has ties to Scaife. I guess my point is that the term "rathergate" was created before any real shit had hit the fan about the memos... just as "Buckhead" was too quick to blast his posts to FR. I'm convinced this was a setup... and all of these people are playing a role in taking down Dan Rather... and diverting attention away from the fact that Bush did not fulfill his service obligations. Actually, I don't care about the Bush stuff right now, I care about the setup.

[George_S]

114. Same here.

But the site was setup after Drudge printed something about it:

http://daily.nysun.com/Repository/getmailfiles.asp?Style=OliveXLib:ArticleToMail&Type=text/html&Path=NYS/2004/09/13&ID=Ar00102

[George_S]

115. Oops

That one doesn't list the Drudge time. This one does:

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/004/640pgolk.asp

Lots of keywords in both though.

[George_S]

117. Mm

No wonder ALLAHPUNDIT.COM wanted to remain anonymous.

ALLAHPUNDIT.COM and littlegreenfootballs.com are the same person/organization.

Hopefully everyone is digging rather than harassing them though.

[progressivebydesign]

123. I"m not the harrassing type...

.. I'm just researching as much as I can, looking for connections. I would never go to other sites and post anything.. they feel free to pull our posts out of context and call us filthy names... apparently, I'm an "asshole" because I'm asking questions.

[George_S]

126. Why do you say that?

In case it's because of the harassment, that was only in response to their complaint about the phone numbers in the whois posts at rathergate.com. Anyone who wanted to could whois for themselves, but they cried about it.

Didn't mean to single you out.

[progressivebydesign]

140. Ack! I'm sorry.. that's not what I meant!

I was quoting someone on Kampresky's blog, who referred to me as an "asshole". No one here did that.. I realize I didn't write that clearly enough. I was just noting here that I'm in this for the research thrill, not to take on the great unwashed over at that guys' site. That's what I meant to say.. the internet is hard that way.

[George_S]

154. No problem

Just wanted to clear it up just in case.

It is pointless to try to talk to them. But you know that now :)

[progressivebydesign]

141. Ack! I'm sorry.. that's not what I meant!

I was quoting someone on Kampresky's blog, who referred to me as an "asshole". No one here did that.. I realize I didn't write that clearly enough. I was just noting here that I'm in this for the research thrill, not to take on the great unwashed over at that guys' site. That's what I meant to say.. the internet is hard that way.

[LincolnMcGrath]

23. Keep digging

[OneTwentyoNine]

24. Knows Roger Stone and uses his E-Mail system? This is getting good..

This sounds like some real,real fishy shit.


And if you don't know who Stone is:

http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Roger_J._Stone,_Jr.

http://www.falloutshelternews.com/WhoIsRogerStone.html


David

[progressivebydesign]

26. I just checked the email quote George listed..

.. but I found it attributed to a Douglas Lorenz... he's a Republican in California who was all over the Davis recall. I'm not sure where the original poster found it.. or where he's gone since he posted. Do you sometimes think that there are people who pop up here on DU with info we'd like to have, that are sort of pointing us in the right direction??? The email system doesn't look to be that conclusive. I AM, however, interested in how this Krempasky guy KNEW to register that name on the 10th. WHO told him that this would blow up on Rather?? NO ONE but the people who perpetrated the scam would know... even if Rather had simply done the story and pissed off the GOP faithful, that would NOT be called "rathergate", it would be called "firerather" or something. No.. this smells very badly.. and the company listed on the WHO IS is connected with none other than Scaife, who has been involved with other things to take Kerry down.

I'm not letting them win...

[mmonk]

30. Can't let them get away

with setting people up to destroy them.

[mkrempasky]

48. How did I know to register the domain?

I was driving home on Friday night and it struck me that I had read Powerline, polipundit, and perhaps a national review post with that term - and it seemed pretty catchy so I registered the domain. Frankly, I was stunned that no one else had already.

If you followed the Powerline post "61st Minute", I think it was called - it was VERY clear early on this was going to be a big story.

[Killarney]

81. DO YOU KNOW ROGER STONE?

[OneTwentyoNine]

82. Except that Powerline site call's it memogate.....

Sure is a funny set of circumstances around all of this....


David

[mmonk]

32. .

:kick:

[mmonk]

35. There is a Krempasky.com

Haven't checked the whois database yet, got to go but I'll be back.

[progressivebydesign]

53. He's on here posting on this thread..

..read his blog, and tell me why he's here claiming NOT to be conservative. That's sorta embarrassing for him.

[George_S]

60. He is conservative.

He's not denying that. Obviously a freeper would want to bring Rather down and connect it to the Kerry campaign if they can.

Our job is to keep looking for connections between them all and connect the forgeries to the Bush admin if we can.

[starroute]

101. Krempasky was involved in Alan Keyes' campaign in 1999

From Google Groups -- posting to alt.current-events.clinton.whitewater
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=+%22Mike+Krempasky&hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&client=firefox-a&selm=370A664D.75D2FD94%40bellsouth.net&rnum=2

Keyes 2000 Weekly Update - April 6, 1999

<snip>

April 1999 Schedule of Events:

<snip>

4/7/92 Wednesday evening {this is an error for 4/7/99}

University of Richmond
Camp Concert Hall Booker Hall of Music
Richmond, VA
Please call Mike Krempasky for more details

[The Straight Story]

36. His other site

http://www.krempasky.com/wordpress/

[Samantha]

37. I have a theory as to why this scandal was "designed"

I believe it was to deflect attention from the release of Kitty Kelley's book. The White House wanted to prevent the release of the book but could not. Question: If it could not derail the publication, how could it prevent people from discussing it? Answer: Create a scandal that would consume all the political oxygen up until the debates. Rathergate?

You have come up with some technical tips pointing to the when -- I am suggesting the why. Does it fit?

This is the pattern of Bush*/Rove when something very politically provocative is about to break against them -- create a smoke screen to obliterate it. Hence, Rathergate.

What do you think?

[KansDem]

38. Perhaps "RatherGate" (or Rather'sGate) was all set up and ready to go...

...right after the "60 minutes" report.

Wasn't the White House alerted to the story by CBS, but had no comment?

There appears to be a good deal of activity that occurred in the hours following that report (see post 33) for it to be simply a response to the broadcast. And as one DUer pointed out, all before anyone realized there was a "Rather'sGate"

[Samantha]

39. That's what I think -- too "convenient"

It was a set-up from the beginning -- the brainchild of Rove. They are laughing hysterically over it.

But a part of me is disappointed to think this because if it's true, we played right into their hands -- as we did in the 2000 election. An excellent book detailing the scandals of the Bush* family has been published, pre-screened by four different lawyers. We are not discussing the provocative details. We are in fact participating in a debate set up to distract us.

I hope the people on the trail of the "when" continue to point out these technical tips as to the establishment of the commentary on the documents, but I hope we can multi-task and examine the Kelley book at the same time. After all, we can't let Rove win, can we?

[Ksec]

45. bingo !

[Must_B_Free]

41. Other birds killed with that Stone:

- obviously, hide the truth about Bush's service failures.
- intimidate any media thinking about exposing Bush.
- pay CBS back for exposing Abu Ghraib.

[George_S]

61. True

and...

http://www.opednews.com/hartmann_092104_tongues.htm

[DemonFighterLives]

152. Great Article

Thanks!

[wickywom]

103. CBS was the only

media outlet that reported the Isreali spy story on the night it came out- the next
day it was everywhere, surely they all had access to it at the same.
As we've all noticed it's now as quiet as a mouse...

[progressivebydesign]

56. How about to hide the story CBS was PLANNING TO RUN that week..

about the TRULY forged Niger documents that Bush used to take us into war??? There are moles inside every news organization... I think I go for that story more readily.

[johnfunk]

40. Is Mikey going to play all coy and make believe he's never "met" Roger?

I'll bet he weasel-words any and every response.

If anybody's e-mailed him and gotten a response, post it -- bet it'll be amusing.

42. THIS is a better scandal to focus on--

[KoKo]

87. Dan....here's some info for your site. You may already have this but

I found this yesterday searching for something else. It's the affiliations of the 9/11 Commission in detail.. Oil, Oil, Oil, pipelines..

It's from Washingtonian Magazine...Scroll down on the link when you get there for 9/11 Commission.

---------------------------------------------------------------
RICHARD BEN-VENISTE. Former Watergate prosecutor, now partner in Mayer, Brown, Rowe & Maw, an international law firm with headquarters in Chicago and London. The firm’s clients include ExxonMobil, British Petroleum, Alliance Pipeline, Union Carbide, Kuwait Refinery, and Indonesia IPP.

FRED FIELDING. Former deputy White House counsel under Richard Nixon; name partner at Wiley Rein & Fielding. As special counsel to the Bush-Cheney transition team, he helped prepare Defense secretary Donald Rumsfeld for confirmation hearings. Fielding’s partner Bert Rein was in charge of international aviation policy at the State Department. Besides Time Warner, Gannett, and United Parcel Service, Wiley Rein clients include Spirit Airlines, Philips Electronics, UNOCAL, the Kansas City Southern Railroad, Intelsat, and Motorola.

JAMIE GORELICK. Former deputy attorney general under Bill Clinton, former Fannie Mae executive, now partner at Wilmer Cutler Pickering Hale & Dorr. In addition to the Washington Post, the National Association of Broadcasters, Time Warner, Bayer AG, Yahoo, and Fannie Mae, the firm’s clients include Boeing and Deutsche Bank. Gorelick also sits on the boards of United Technologies and Schlumberger, both with big stakes in Iraqi reconstruction.

SLADE GORTON. Former US senator, now partner in Seattle-based Preston Gates & Ellis, which has one of the most prominent lobbying operations in DC. (The Gates in Preston Gates is the father of Bill Gates, the founder of Microsoft.) Besides Microsoft, Amway, Starbucks, and Verizon, the firm’s clients include the Air Transport Association, Southwest Airlines, Delta Airlines, the Port of Seattle, Burlington Northern Railroad, and Wells Fargo Bank.

LEE HAMILTON. A nonpracticing lawyer, this former member of Congress and chair of the House Foreign Affairs and Intelligence committees is president of the Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars and a member of President Bush’s Homeland Security Advisory Council. Companies that fund the Woodrow Wilson Center include Aramco Services, Archer Daniels Midland, AT&T, BP North America, Boeing, ChevronTexaco, ExxonMobil, Fannie Mae, Lockheed Martin, News Corporation, and Occidental Petroleum.

JAMES THOMPSON. Former Illinois governor, now chair of Chicago-based corporate law behemoth Winston & Strawn. The firm’s clients include American Airlines, General Electric, Caterpillar, and the New York City Industrial Development Authority. Thompson is a director of Hollinger International, the Canadian-based company that owns the Chicago Sun-Times and the Jerusalem Post.
The Nonlawyers

THOMAS KEAN. Former governor of New Jersey, now president of Drew University. An educator by profession, Kean is a descendant of one of America’s oldest families, the Stuyvesants, and a distant cousin of Theodore Roosevelt. Kean serves on the boards of the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation and the World Wildlife Fund.

BOB KERREY. Former US senator from Nebraska, where he earlier served as governor, now president of New School University in New York. Trained as a pharmacist, the Vietnam veteran made his fortune with chains of restaurants and health clubs.

JOHN LEHMAN. Former Navy secretary under President Reagan, now chair of J.F. Lehman & Company, an investment-banking firm. Lehman served on the National Security Council under Henry Kissinger. Lehman’s firm has purchased 11 companies in recent years that specialize in naval or aerospace defense. One, Racal Industries, sells military equipment to 80 nations around the world and specializes in field-communications equipment for use in desert environments. Lehman owns interests in and serves on the board of Ball Corporation, whose aerospace division builds cooling systems for NASA. He is “senior adviser” to BNP Paribas, one of the world’s biggest international conglomerates.

TIMOTHY ROEMER. President of the Center for National Policy, a liberal think tank; former Indiana congressman and son-in-law of former Louisiana senator Bennett Johnston. Roemer once worked for Johnston’s lobby shop, whose clients include General Motors, Northrop Grumman, and Boeing. Among CNP board members: former Agriculture secretary Dan Glickman, now with the DC law firm Akin, Gump, Strauss, Hauer & Feld, and Benjamin W. Heineman Jr., general counsel of General Electric.

Link: Scroll down...
http://www.washingtonian.com/capital_comment/jun04capcom.html

138. Mr Gorton--

SLADE GORTON. Former US senator, now partner in Seattle-based Preston Gates & Ellis, which has one of the most prominent lobbying operations in DC. (The Gates in Preston Gates is the father of Bill Gates, the founder of Microsoft.) Besides Microsoft, Amway, Starbucks, and Verizon, the firm’s clients include the Air Transport Association, Southwest Airlines, Delta Airlines, the Port of Seattle, Burlington Northern Railroad, and Wells Fargo Bank.

***

1) The law firm named is one that was on the other side of a voting lawsuit I am familiar with.

2) I dated Mr. Gorton's son several years ago. They kept him "in the basement" of their mansion. Nice guy. I never met Slade because Tom Jr. was kept down there.

[CornField]

43. The Host

Right Internet
P.O. Box 19125
Alexandria, VA 22320
US

Domain Name: RIGHTINTERNET.COM

Administrative Contact:
Chris Tyrrell [e-mail]
Right Internet
P.O. Box 5805
Charlottesville, VA 22905
US
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
Technical Contact:
Chris Tyrrell [e-mail]
Right Internet
P.O. Box 5805
Charlottesville, VA 22905
US
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]

Record updated on 2004-03-09 14:38:42
Record created on 2000-04-06
Record expires on 2005-04-06
Database last updated on 2004-09-20 19:17:52 EST

Domain servers in listed order:

NS1.RIGHTINTERNET.COM 63.219.151.3
NS2.RIGHTINTERNET.COM 69.10.137.166

If you go to the home page, it redirects to another domain:

registration basically the same:

Right Internet
P.O. Box 19125
Alexandria, VA 22320
US

Domain Name: GRASSWAVE.COM

Administrative Contact:
Chris Tyrrell [e-mail]
Right Internet
P.O. Box 5805
Charlottesville, VA 22905
US
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]
Technical Contact:
Chris Tyrrell [e-mail]
Right Internet
P.O. Box 5805
Charlottesville, VA 22905
US
Phone: [phone]
Fax: [phone]

Record updated on 2004-05-09 07:16:45
Record created on 2001-05-16
Record expires on 2005-05-16
Database last updated on 2004-09-20 19:17:52 EST

Domain servers in listed order:

NS1.RIGHTINTERNET.COM 63.219.151.3
NS2.RIGHTINTERNET.COM 69.10.137.166

[johnfunk]

65. Chris Tyrrell -- a relative of...

arch-fascist ex-editor of the American Spectator and all around effete Anglophile fop R. Emmett "Lord Douchebag" Tyrrell?

[ctyrrell]

95. Sorry, but no.

I am not directly related to R. Emmett Tyrrell, though we are both descendants of the Irish strain of that name.

[johnfunk]

153. Why apologize?

After all, you're not a direct relative of Twit Boy Emmett, are you...

[Name removed]

44. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Ksec]

49. so when does the Easter Bunny arrive?

[progressivebydesign]

51. Ummm.. Youre' NOT conservative? reeeallly...

Nice that you are promoting REDSTATE.org or .com on your site. I've read your site.. you ARE WAY conservative. Nice try though. One needs only read your blog, to see who you are affiliated with. AND.. the company listed on your WHOIS is owned by a fellow who is in with Judicial Watch, and Scaife. Did you think we wouldn't read your blog?

[progressivebydesign]

55. Better yet.. here's a link to your blog site:

http://www.krempasky.com/wordpress/ Let's see if the DUers can spot your conservative bent in less than 5 seconds! How about on your Rathergate site. Are you really coming here and trying to pretend you're apolitical or even more preposterous, liberal?

Frankly. Must be kinda worried if you're slumming over here with us.. nice that you folks are monitoring DU. Who told you? Someone on FreeRepublic? They LOVE to read our posts.. even if they often have large words in them.

Why would someone float the word: Rathergate immediately after his broadcast? WHy would you, just a humble old citizen of the world, choose to not just register that name, but run a campaign to OUST Dan Rather? It's one thing to simply register a name because you're greedy, and hope that someone will pay you off to own it.. it's entirely another thing to build a site immediately trying to take down a journalist.

Say hi to Roger and his kinky wife for us!! :hi:

[YNGW]

59. That's not what he said.

>I won't tell you I'm not a conservative,......

In other words, he's saying he is a conservative. Double negative. It cancels each other.

[mmonk]

62. What date did the possibility

emerge that the documents were fake. Seems a timeline is in order.

[mmonk]

63. Ah

here's Mike in another threadhttp://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2402048

[George_S]

64. Ikon Public Affairs

Buckhead works for:

http://www.wcsr.com/FSL5CS/Custom/home.asp

I think. And they have a manual on what you can get away with, or reasons to sue, when it comes to political broadcasts:

Womble Carlyle Political Broadcast Manual (PDF)

Carlyle? Might be coincidence.

Roger Stone's Ikon Public Affairs is more like a consulting firm, a lot like what the Political Broadcast Manual talks about. It is all image and information war. It's no wonder they have been so effective since they have been building this network since the Nixon years.

However, does

http://www.allamericanpatriots.com/m-wfsection+article+articleid-518.html

have close ties to Free Republic? Roger Stone's Ikon Public Affairs is well listed there.

To really understand all of this, someone would have to take a year solid and write a book. I'm only interested in this election for comparatively trivial reasons.

[progressivebydesign]

66. Wish I had a year to work on this..

.. the research on this stuff thrills me. I find your tidbits fascinating on this thread... keep 'em coming! This is like one, loosely woven spider web, and we're inching our way to the center.

Looks like Mike got tombstoned? His message is gone.. He may have made an error coming here, trying to plead his case. I have no doubt he's "ritwinger" from the Freerepublic post on this thread. His claim that he only registered the name because it seemed like a good idea is total BS. Otherwise, he wouldn't have run with it and promoted it. Just as "buckhead" wouldn't have stoked things over at FR. Oh, the "carlyle" thing, how could that not be a coincidence.. such an odd spelling.

[dweller]

75. this floated through here earlier today

i had to search DU to find it, link to Viguerie, but no response on thread...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=884949

who are these 'texans' that are suddenly posting here?
:kick:
dp

[dweller]

77. one more

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2402048

keep it up

dp

[progressivebydesign]

78. The rathergate guy works for Viguerie..

..who is linked to Scaife. Shocking, I tell you.. shocking! Not. I think their specialty is getting their underlings to do dirty work for them...

[starroute]

100. You mean this bit?

"Perhaps the most important constituent body of the New Right network after the Heritage Foundation is the National Conservative Political Action Committee (NCPAC), also founded in 1975 by John Terry Dolan, a lawyer by profession, Charles Black and Roger Stone with the help of Richard Viguerie."

http://www.audarya-fellowship.com/showflat/cat/WorldNew


I posted that -- I was out Googling a lot yesterday on the New Right. My general conclusion was that Viguerie is closely linked to the Young Republic/dirty tricks/Karl Rove wing of the New Right. Scaife is much closer to the southern/racist/anti-Clinton wing -- both Harry MacDougald and many of the SwiftBoat figures have Scaife connections.

[starroute]

105. Krempasky and Morton Blackwell's Leadership Institute

This conference was apparently in 2002. Morton Blackwell is the guy who was handing out the purple heart bandaids -- and his Leadership Institute has been one of the prime training-grounds of the New Right.

http://www.nrlc.org/news/2002/NRL06/stanf.html

Given the liberal, pro-abortion reputation of the student body, the faculty, and the surrounding area, Berkeley, California, would seem like a very unlikely location for a pro-life conference. On first thought, most people would be surprised if a critical mass of people could be found willing to devote time to promoting pro-life causes.

<snip>

On Saturday, April 20, over 60 Bay Area college and high school students were in attendance for the last day of the conference. After the welcome the students attended a series of workshops designed to give them the skills to more effectively promote the pro-life cause.

These included a workshop on fundraising led by the Leadership Institute's Michael Krempasky, a workshop on organizing a pro-life lecture by Michael New of Stanford Students for Life, a workshop by Monika Rodman from the Diocese of Oakland on pro-life responses to "pro-choice" arguments, and finally a workshop led by Jennie Youngblood of First Resort Pregnancy Consulting.


On edit -- see also, from 1999:
http://www.longwood.edu/news/bulletin/sept13_99.html

Leadership Institute September 22, 11 a.m.-1 p.m. in the Rotunda Market. Information on Public Policy careers. All majors are welcome to visit the table. Contact person is Michael Krempasky.

[mmonk]

68. It will take some digging

Trivial reasons George S? Not sure I'm buying that, but if you say so.

[mmonk]

69. So, have you made any connection

with Free Republic in anyway we can't see (other than the stuff over the forged document type conclusion made there?).

[George_S]

71. Only that...

rathergate.com was announced at freerepublic.com. This link is above.

[mmonk]

74. oh yes

[progressivebydesign]

72. A non-profile poster on FR named "ritwinger" or "ritwnger"

Posted an ad, so to speak, on FR around the 13th or so, for the site: www.rathergate.com He is recruiting people to the site to fax demands to CBS to fire Rather, etc. It's a buckhead type of post. It's the same guy that has the website, because he apologizes that they have to pay to fax CBS, because he claimed he "didn't know enough about how to broadcast fax, etc". Actually.. I think he knows better than to have faxes all coming from his site.

So.. he did use FR to further this cause of taking down Rather, as did Buckhead. Neither have profiles.

[starroute]

109. ritwnger, like Krempasky, was with the Leadership Institute

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/user-posts?id=76938

Posted by Ritwngr to Nick Thimmesch
On News/Activism 06/30/2002 9:25:31 PM PDT · 15 of 61

As an employee of the Leadership Institute, I can easily say that while we don't take a position on the legalization of marijuana or other drugs, Asa Hutchinson is a patriot, pure and simple.


The Leadership Institute is Morton Blackwell's long-time training ground for New Right dirty tricksters. Krempasky was also employed there around 1999-2002 -- see my post elsewhere in this thread.

[George_S]

110. It would be fun...

... to read their trickster manual.

[starroute]

112. Disinfopedia on Morton Blackwell

http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Morton_C._Blackwell

Blackwell is "Executive director, Council for National Policy; founder and president, the Morton Blackwell Leadership Institute, a foundation which trains youg people for youth leadership; founder and chairman, Conservative Leadership PAC; Republican National Committeeman from Virginia; treasurer, Reagan Mumni Association; youngest delegate to Barry Goldwater RNC in 1964; alternative delegate for Reagan in 1968 and 1976 and a delegate in 1980; former special assistant to President Ronald Reagan on the White House staff; former staff member, Senate Republican Policy Committee; serves on the Republican National Convention's Standing Committee on Rules; former policy director, U.S. Senator Gordon J. Humphrey; overseer, 1980 Youth for Reagan effort; former editor, The NewRight Report; former contributing editor, Conservative Digest. Formerly with The Viguerie Company. Spouse: Helen R. Blackwell, Virginia state chairman, Eagle Forum; chairman, Voting Integrity Project; former member, State Central Committee, Republican Party of Virginia.

"With Paul M. Weyrich and Richard Viguerie, Blackwell met with Jerry Falwell to found the Moral Majority."

<snip>

"Morton Blackwell works with Plinio de Correa de Olivier's Tradition, Family & Property and endorsed Olivier's book, Nobility & Analagous Traditional Elites, on the necessity of restoring traditional Nobility & Elites to rule the world. In the Forward Blackwell wrote: 'One does not have to accept Papal infallibility to appreciate a case persuasively made, using theological, moral, and prudential arguments. This book will convince many readers, whatever their faith, that good elites are legitimate, desirable and, yes, necessary.' "

[progressivebydesign]

70. I need to throw something out there to everyone..... the 2 Burketts

The man at the center of this Rather controversy, is Bill Burkett, of Texas. Another man (I assume it's not the same guy), has the name BG Burkett (same spelling) also from Texas. The second B. Burkett is famous or infamous for his book, "STOLEN VALOR", wherein the guy debunks a documentary show about Vietnam Veterans, by none other than, DAN RATHER. His book is used, also, as an attack piece against John Kerry. Same last name. Both from Texas. Bill Burkett served in the Army National Guard, the other Burkett is listed as serving in the Army. Wierd coincidence?? How many Burketts will it take to bring Rather down?

I'm just tossing this into the mix, because it perplexes me... any thoughts before this thread goes to sleep and into DU history overnight??

[mmonk]

73. and given the forged documents

were written in Army lingo rather than Air Force is equally interesting.

[mmonk]

76. Well I'm on the East Coast

so I'm turning out for the night. I'll definitely check here tomorrow. Maybe something will click to bring it all into a nice package.

[rlev1223]

79. Send the link to this thread....

...to news orgs. I just did to LA Times.

Everyone is about three days behind DU on this.

[George_S]

80. The LA Times...

... has a story on Buckhead being a freeper.

The co-writer of "Unfit for Command" also is also freeper.

A blog has a detailed article on the rathergate.com/freeper connection.

I'm sure a lot of media is taking a very close look at FR right now.

We haven't found anything new, yet. Though maybe all these keywords will lead to something as DU searches.

[OneTwentyoNine]

83. This thread should be pinned at the top or kept bumped all day...nt

[mmonk]

84. Its important to

start a list of names and check these names with what they have been involved in. Look for overlaps.

[CornField]

Info from a thread I started

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2402048

From the Chicago Tribune: "Nowhere on Krempasky's site, however, did he disclose that he is the political director for American Target Advertising, a Virginia firm run by Richard Viguerie, the conservative strategist widely credited with inventing political direct mail and helping Ronald Reagan and numerous other Republicans get elected."

Perhaps the most important constituent body of the New Right network after the Heritage Foundation is the National Conservative Political Action Committee (NCPAC), also founded in 1975 by John Terry Dolan, a
lawyer by profession, Charles Black and Roger Stone with the help of
Richard Viguerie.

Not sure if it will help here... just tossing it out.

[Beausoleil]

85. .

kick

[RandomKoolzip]

86. Kick

[qanda]

88. kick

:kick:

[RandomKoolzip]

96. Seriously....this should be kicked until EVERY DUer sees it!

This is very important.....

They're getting "revenge" for Nixon. That's the motivation behind everything these fuckers do: Stone, Viguerie, Rove, all of them...they were so heartbroken about what happened to their hero Dick at the hands of the media, they've decided to essentially recreate the media according to their goals. This is fucking sickening. No one party in America should have this much power. Fuck, I don't even want the GREENS to have this much power!

[Eloriel]

147. Oh, come on --

Nixon was 40 years ago. Even if they DO lust after revenge, their REAL goal is global domination abroad and a one-party fascist state at home.

[George_S]

151. Exactly

But Nixon and then Clinton is their excuse.

[mmonk]

89. .

:kick:

[dweller]

90. sent this link info

to Michael Moore, and Ed Shultz.
might as well get someone tossing it around...


dp

[progressivebydesign]

91. Good morning! Time to tackle this trail again!

Thanks to some astute DUers, we have another great thread going on this.. it's so frustrating, like trying to reconstruct a spider web.

I'll do some more checking today, I have some other ideas about where to look that came to me last night. If this query has caught the attention of more connected people, who can connect the dots better, or have more resources, then we've done something good. If we've freaked out the freepers, that's just icing on the cake.
:donut:

[dweller]

93. Morning Caliphoto!

what's the link to the other thread, i don't see one, but several that have some info.

thanks
dp

[progressivebydesign]

98. CornField's thread is mentioned here between post #84 & #85 nt

[Aries]

94. Rove's M.O.

http://www.theleftcoaster.com/archives/002815.html

...Rove's MO is all over the Killian memo controversy that threatens to take down Dan Rather.

During Bush's first run against Ann Richards, Rove knew that he needed to immunize Bush against the charge of being too aggressive and unfair when going after Ann Richards. So what he did was to create an ad where Bush declared, "My opponent attacked me personally." But get this, the ad was made and distributed to TV stations around Texas before any such accusation was made. Then the campaign used numerous taunts, including a whispering campaign that asserted Ann Richards was gay or too gay friendly to encourage her to pop off against Bush. As soon as she did, the previously prepared ad was shown all over Texas and Bush was seen as the innocent victim of an unfair attack by his opponent....

[progressivebydesign]

97. Our thread is getting some traction around the RW circles..

.. I'm enjoying the cameo appearances by people mentioned on this thread. Wonder if Roger Stone will be visiting here soon? Karl? Are you there??

kicking this for the fine research skills of the daytime DUers..

[mmonk]

99. !

:kick:

[RandomKoolzip]

106. I'm sure they're already here.

Anyhow, this has got to be one of the greatest threads I've ever seen on DU...and proof positive that "they" are watching us, even on so-called "insignificant" message boards. Thanks for the Patriot Act, George!

[mmonk]

104. We are being summoned

http://www.krempasky.com/wordpress/

[George_S]

107. Liberals have been ridiculed and banned...

... at Free Republic for years:

http://www.geocities.com/arator_fr/FR/

Sound like anyone interested in dialogue?

[RandomKoolzip]

120. Lemme guess:

You're "Arator," right?

There's some intersting stuff in that link, hough it doesn't look like they were banning Arator for being liberal.

[George_S]

121. Gong

No and not.

Honestly, I only read the first link:

But a google search will find many hits revealing they even ban their own memebers for not towing the party line.

This isn't that important.

[myrna minx]

108. Ooohhh...interesting.

:kick:

[wickywom]

113. .

[progressivebydesign]

122. Perhaps we're barking up the wrong tree...

This Krempasky fellow seems to be more of a wanna-be-Drudge nobody. I think perhaps he TRIES to be important, but is really another gofer in the Stone crowd. No operative, of any decent cailber, would actually COME here and identify themselves. That's the sign of a true amateur. As with so many people who have been brought along by the likes of Stone, Rove, Blackwell, etc., this guy is a small fish. I fear that our trail is leading us too far away from the truth in trifling with that foot soldier. Anyone that would use the term, "dumb as a box of hair" is pretty mediocre.

Like a Zen master.. I urge everyone to look past the trees, and see the forest. The answer is bigger than the trees. Think big.

[George_S]

127. True

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=2400623&mesg_id=2405265&page=

Hephaistos may be onto something.

[progressivebydesign]

130. Damn, it's like you're reading my mind!

THAT is what I think we're after.. the BIG picture, the Big Fish, the whole banana.. and all the other cliches that go with it. Dan Rather was also the object of an similar attack/campaign over his documentary series about Vietnam Vets. A man, ironically enough, named BG BURKETT wrote a book to totally discredit Rather's vets accounts of the war...

[George_S]

131. It all matters

To add to that, it all matters. They want to control every aspect of information, and as their CBS effort proves, it is all a seamless whole. No fish is too small because the little fish feed the big fish.

That is why they post and follow strings here. That is why they freep every poll and boost "Unfit for Command" to 5 stars at on-line book stores.

Nothing is too small and it all adds up to one big picture: "they are right" is their message to everyone, and they try to make that happen here every chance they get.

Would you rather have one million dollar bills or 1 one-hundred dollar bill?

[progressivebydesign]

132. True...

.. but I think it's easy to follow a trail too far, that it leads away from the source. I suppose it's like reverse engineering. My thought is that Kempresky was worthwhile to get other names out on this thread, but he almost feels like he's leading us down a rabbit hole, rather than take us toward the truth. Does that make any sense?

He's probably important, as you point out, he was important in getting this thread going.. and getting some interesting connections, but I think the focus on him may be a distraction. I do like the bigger story of the CBS takeover attempts, considering it's now being reported that some radio stations are droping CBS after volumes of listener complaints (where do you think those came from?), generated on rathergate.com I just think it's time to work backwards from that website...

[starroute]

143. Should we be looking more closely at American Target Advertising?

Here's one connection that could prove interesting.

http://www.cnn.com/2000/LAW/scotus/10/02/scotus.solicitinglaw.ap/
October 2, 2000

The Supreme Court is letting states impose licensing and disclosure requirements on professional consultants who help nonprofit organizations raise money. The justices, acting without comment Monday, rejected a challenge to such a Utah law by American Target Advertising, a Virginia firm run by political direct-mail pioneer Richard Viguerie.

<snip>

ATA agreed in 1996 to provide "political and related consulting services" for Judicial Watch, an ideologically conservative nonprofit group that has filed numerous lawsuits against the Clinton administration. The contract specified that ATA itself would do no fund raising for Judicial Watch.

<snip>

When Judicial Watch applied for a fund-raising license in Utah in 1997, it was told by state authorities that it would not qualify for a license until ATA registered as well.

ATA then sued Utah's Division of Consumer Protection, but a federal trial judge upheld the state's charitable solicitations law. ATA appealed, and the 10th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals last January upheld most of the state law.

[progressivebydesign]

145. I just sent you a PM -- I believe Judicial Watch is heavily funded by....

Scaife. That is the link I was trying to find... it was posted here yesterday. Hmmm... Scaife does biz with ATA, who employs Kampresky who puts up a professional www.rathergate.com website within hours of the Rather setup. He then comes to DU to tell us that he only set up the website becuase it seemed like a good name... but then immediately sets it up to broadcast fax to have Rather fired.. And.. advertises it as such on FreeRepublic. which is where "BUCKHEAD" pushes the forgery story minutes after the papers are discussed by Rather. Buckheads wife pushes the story in the media...

Oh they're all connected... Kampresky was "vacationing" in Florida during the recount.. oh, the list goes on and on. We've got the connections made.. now.. how do we get a media type to do it more in depth and in the media??

[starroute]

149. Judicial Watch seems to be the missing link

One thing that's been perplexing me is that there seem to be two separate groups involved in the most recent rounds of campaign dirty tricks. One is heavily connected with Scaife and includes Ken Starr, the SwiftBoat Liars, and Southeastern Legal/Harry MacDougald. The other is associated with Viguerie and includes classic dirty tricksters like Morton Blackwell (he of the purple heart bandaids) and Roger Stone. (Krempasky formerly worked for Blackwell's Leadership Foundation.)

I've been looking for ties between Scaife and Viguerie, but although they're both frequently mentioned in tandem as founders of the New Right, they seem to be part of different networks of association.

However, this tie between ATA and Judicial Watch definitely puts a connection in place. Not only that, but Judicial Watch was at the heart of the anti-Clinton smear campaigns which seem to be the model for the current anti-Kerry smears.

Here are a few links I just came up with:

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/1998/06/11/klayman.jackson

Tax records show Klayman's tax-exempt group, Judicial Watch, was just a shoestring operation in 1996, with total revenues of less than $68,000.

But now it comes out that Judicial Watch received $550,000 in 1997 from the Carthage Foundation, funded by Pittsburgh billionaire Richard Mellon Scaife.

Scaife is intensely conservative and intensely anti-Clinton. He gave $2.6 million to American Spectator magazine to dig up Clinton dirt, then cut off the money when it published a story he didn't like.


There's more details at http://www.americanpolitics.com/061198Klayman.html

And a page at http://www.mediatransparency.org/search_results/info_on_any_recipient.php?recipientID=1122 which says, "Judicial Watch is essentially a tool of Richard Mellon Scaife, who provides almost all its funding" and gives the details to prove it.

[progressivebydesign]

136. Looks like our friend, Kemprasky is getting some media attention!

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=514&e=8&u=/ap/20040923/ap_on_en_tv/cbs_guard_18

I have NEVER seen such an attack on a journalist over something like this.. Rather did not plagarize, he was had. The WHite HOuse conveniently said the documents seemd fine to them, before the broadcast, so the CBS lawyers felt okay about it. Like the White House lawyers wouldn't REALLY be all over something like that if they hadn't known about the sting in advance.

Too bad the AP writer didn't dig further. Damn, I HATE having to do their jobs for them!

[George_S]

137. This needs its own action thread

with the link to the mass mailing from rathergate.com, and everyone should send 2 or 3 saying they can do so over and over again without being different people.

[progressivebydesign]

142. Could you do that? Could you get a new thread going on this?

I sort of jumped into the thread you started here and took off with it... I think a new thread might be in order.. with links back to this one and to the discussion in GD2004 about the AP article featuring Kampresky (or whatever his name is).

[dweller]

146. not sure it will qualify for GD 2004

but i'm starting a new thread in GD here
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2406386

continuing discussion from
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2400623#2406089

please read throughout the thread above and join in here
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2406386
for further investigation of rathergate.com.

dp

[G_j]

148. I didn't even bother checking this thread out until now, the title

didn't mean much to me.

[johnfunk]

150. EXPOSE RATHERGATE.COM!! Here's how:

They have this tool on their site that allows you to "complain" to CBS affiliates -- but only after they've screened the messages.

And, being the dumbasses they are, they're not even hiding the mailing list (a few addresses bounce):

[e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail], [e-mail]

I recommended in another thread that since most ISPs will let you send or cc: or bcc: to 25 to 50 recipients, you might try slicing the above list into fifths or sixths and let 'em know they're being spammed by dirty trickster Mike Krempasky, who has heavily advertised this site.

Also, don't forget to let them know that you appreciate the quality and objectivity of CBS News and that Rather did the right thing by exposing the background of the controversy himself and apologizing even if he was the one who might have been deceived in the first place -- and if anyone deserves firing it's Bill O'Reilly, not Rather (or something to that effect).

[mahatmakanejeeves]

155. Spammers love false registration information

Report false registration information to Internic.

http://wdprs.internic.net/

The domain in doubt is rathergate.com

[mmonk]

157. Great idea

Maybe we can give them a little unwanted publicity like false registration information.

[SoCalDem]

159. new thread

locking per originator's request..so dial-uppers can access easier


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=2406386&mesg_id=2406386

[dweller]

158. Can Lucy Ramirez be Lucia Ramirez?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x891288

dp