Help me Debunk This Asshole Freeper

[slinkerwink]

Actually, it says "9 out of 10 terrorists agree... Vote Kerry!"

It's funny because it's true. The nation will completely back down against nations that support terrorism if Kerry were elected. Bush keeps our country strong and does what is necesary to protect us. Sorry if that doesn't mesh with your peacenik attitude. But singing kumbaiyah will not stop terrorists from attacking.

By the way, 9/11 did happen during the Bush administration but most of the planning and training took place during the Clinton administration.

Why don't liberals get their facts right? And quoting an ultra-left wing publication is NOT getting your facts right.

the link to the political debate is here:

http://smith.dailyjolt.com/forum/read.html?id=151144

[Parche]

1. terra ists

Training can take place for years, they were training during
the Reagan years, but planning could be only 1-3months
Guadalcanal planning was less then 3months, but they had
semi trained marines.

[slinkerwink]

2. huh?

[BMJ]

3. Remember... terrorists WANT war!

Bush has let the terrorists win.

[BlueEyedSon]

4. August 6th PDB

[ComerPerro]

5. I would mention

That its true that the planning for 9/11 was in place for years. The terrorists waited until the exact right time to strike.

That is: They waitied until we had a President who was stupid, lazy, and too interested in taking vacations to be bothered with something as trivial and insignificant as protecting the US from terrorist attacks.

They got what they needed in Bush.

[AmandaRuth]

6. you may have to search for it

but i do believe that there was an ad in one of the New York papers regarding the AWB with a quote straight out of a terrorist training manual advising them to buy assault weapons if legal in the countries they were in.

[KurtNYC]

7. Okay...

Instead of doing polls of terrorists maybe they should bring them to justice.

It is not funny and not true. Terrorism is conducted by individuals and groups, not by nations. Bush has done nothing besides invade WMD-less Iraq and introduce a color chart to tell us how scared to be. Kuhmbayah has been replaced by U2's "Beautiful Day" -- get with the program.

The attack on Seattle set for the millenium was stopped because unlike B*sh, when a memo comes from intelligence stating that "bin Laden determined to attack inside the US" Clinton didn't go for a one month long vacation in Texas.

And how can someone who asserts that "9 out of 10..." is "true" be a judge of facts??

[LSK]

8. easy - link from foxnews

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0%2C2933%2C114489%2C00.html

[notadmblnd]

9. he's exactly right!

Rumsfeld, Cheny, Wolfowitz, Abrams, Perle etc.. planned it all while Clinton was in office. Have any doubts... Just read the PNAC Project for a New American Century

[tabasco]

10. Bush is easy on the terrorists.

Al Qaeda was in Afghanistan. Bush hardly sent any troops to Afghanistan. Bush helped Al Qaeda by getting Osama's buddies & relatives in Pakistan to "help track him down" (haha). Bush has less CIA people tracking down Bin Laden now than there were on 9-11 (see other thread on this topic). Bush invaded Iraq, a country that had nothing to do with Al Qaeda, to gain control of oil. Bush is partners and friends with the country that 15 of 19 hijackers came from, and constantly kisses Saudi ass. Bush didn't want Congress to investigate the causes of 9-11. Overall, I can't imagine a President more friendly to the terrorists than Bush has been.
Kerry put his life on the line in combat for his country. He knows more about fighting than preppie cheerleader Bush. He will kick ass on the terrorists and truly make us safer.

[Vickers]

11. Tell him Al-Qaida was formed in 1988, on Ronnie's watch

Hey, if they want to go back, let's fucking go BACK!

Also, the 1993 WTC bombing was done in February, a month after Clinton took office, so all the planning for THAT was done on Poppy's watch.

Fuck them Clenis-obsessed freaks.

[July]

12. Doesn't sound like someone who will be receptive.

However . . .

Nations that support terrorism: #1, Saudi Arabia, Bush's special buddies, who finance terrorists and supplied three-quarters of the 9/11 hijackers. Another one: Pakistan, Bush's other special friend, and the nation that accepted Dr. Khan's apology for selling nuke technology (feel safer?).

Planning and training: By this logic, let's look at the planning and training of the first WTC bombing and point the finger at GHWB.

Most important, what did GWB do about terrorism in the months he was in office BEFORE 9/11? Um, didn't read the Hart-Rudman report or follow its recommendations. Ignored Clinton team's advice to focus on Bin Laden. Put Cheney in charge of terrorism task force (May 2001) that DID NOT MEET before 9/11. Did nothing after receiving PDB saying "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in United States" except go on a 31-day vacation. AFTER 9/11, he flew Saudis out of the country, took 3 days to get to NY (Clinton beat him to it, and he had been in Australia or New Zealand AND had to deal with the closed skies), yelled in a bullhorn, fought an investigation into 9/11, fought the 9/11 commission, fought the Homeland Security Department idea, then flip-flopped on all of them, wouldn't testify under oath or allow recordings of his testimony to the 9/11 commission and had to bring his minder with him, sent ten times as many troops to Iraq as to Afghanistan, thereby allowing the Taliban and the heroin crop to bounce back . . . shall I go on?

Facts, even those from "an ultra-left wing publication," can be checked, if they're FACTS. I suspect that "getting your facts right" has a very different meaning to this guy than it does to the rest of us.

[gospelized]

13. don't forget

to bring up the Millineum Bombings. the terror attack which Clinton stopped that would've killed far more people than 9/11.

[MallRat]

14. Wrong. Al Qaeda is on-record with a Bush endorsement.

"Kerry will kill our nation while it sleeps because he and the Democrats have the cunning to embellish blasphemy and present it to the Arab and Muslim nation as civilization. Because of this we desire you (Bush) to be elected."

March 17, 2004
Al Qaeda statement, reported by Reuters News Service

[DiverDave]

15. Bush is great for

recruiting the guys that strap the bombs on thier backs!
They have more and more guys wanting to join the ranks.
Why would they want to change THAT??

[Journeyman]

16. Well good god, what are the terrorists planning now?

We know they're planning -- Rumsfailed and Asscrap and Ridgdiculous have all told us they're planning, and that they intend to hit us again. So what are they planning to do now during the term of the next president? And when it happens, will Smirk be pinned with the blame, since the planning was done during his watch?

Why do Bush supporters hate him so? If they succeed, and he's elected for the first time in November, then he'll be doubly damned, since not only will the next, "inevitable" attack (Cheney's term) happen again on Smirk's watch, but all the planning will have been done during his time, too, when our attention was focused on Iraq irrelavancies.

But wait. . . hmmm. . . since I hate Smirk personally (it's the only conceivable reason anyone opposes his candidacy, or so I'm told), but since I hate him so much, maybe I should support his candidacy, to ensure he's at the helm to take full blame for the next attack. . . Damn, that freeper was pretty good. He's definitely got me thinking about positives to a vote for Smirk.

[tjwash]

17. Kerry didn't didn't divert most of our resources out of Afghanistan...

...where the real terrorists were, giving Bin Laden a wide open escape route, and Al Queda a chance to regroup. Bush is the one who diverted those resources, and invaded a country that gave absolutely no support to the terrorists, nor posed any type of a threat, and turned it into a breeding ground for new terrorist cells.

[kaitykaity]

18. Tell them to take the antidote to the Kool Aid and

then come and talk to you.

This person is hopelessly blind. There is no debating
with people like him/her.

[HalfManHalfBiscuit]

19. Terrorism is overstated. Cars are much more deadly.

The bottom line is this: There will always be terrorists and legitimate efforts to catch and kill them. But meanwhile, the bigger statistical threat comes from the driver next to you who is talking on the cellphone.

http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-kosko13sep13,0,462570.story?coll=la-news-comment-opinions

[Vogon_Glory]

20. Al Qaeda Already endorse Bush

Al Qaeda terrorists have already endorsed Dubya. According to a Reuters report reprinted at the Seriously Though web site, quote The terrorist group stated that it wished Bush to win because it was not possible to find a leader, "more foolish than you, who deals with matters by force rather than with wisdom." unquote

A terrorist group making a mocking "endorsement" of one of its opponents is hardly a signal for Dubya's "strength" and "effectiveness," now is it? I wouldn't think so. I don't know about FReepers, though.

"Ultra-left" publications? What smoke is this little wanna-be Star Spangled neo-Falangist puffing? It's not like the Far Right would dare admit that al Qaeda holds Gee Dubya in such contempt that they'd hope he'd get re-elected so he could muck things up some more.

[AgadorSparticus]

21. if bush was so strong on war, then why didn't the other countries

stand with us in iraq? why are soldiers dying every day? Ask soldiers in iraq if they feel safer. and for dessert, how much of iraq is US controlled as opposed to that controlled by the insurgents?

p.s. here's another thread that would help. article from truthout.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2355826

here's another one: CBSnews reports that there are fewer agents going after bin laden now than when 9/11 occurred.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/08/10/terror/main635038.shtml

[Mandate My Ass]

22. why did dick(head) cheney's antiterrorism task force

not meet even once before 9/11 despite the fact that Clinton told them terrorism would be the #1 problem facing the country?

[pretzel4gore]

23. the basic dishonesty of the bush admin....

John Kerry isn't even a factor here....what about bush's lack of character? the guy was convicted of drunken driving for god's sake !!

[democrat_patriot]

24. B*ush recieve brifeing "Osama Bin Laden determined to

strike inside the U.S"

Bush goes on vacation.

Terrorists attack, B*ush knows for 45+ minutes and does....NOTHING!

Terrorists in Afghanistan, B*ush pulls all troops from Afghanistan and attacks....Iraq. No AL Qaeda Link to Iraq(Bush's own words!!!)

What has my slow liberal mind gotten wrong?

[TexasSissy]

25. Kerry had a chance to walk away from war once, and he chose to

walk the walk, not just talk the talk. He faced the bullets, when his privileged status would have assured him an easy way out.

Don't let a codpiece fool you into thinking someone is "bigger" than he is. The willingness of a rich kid to lose his legs or his life in war is proof positive of willingness to step up to the plate when it's time.

It's easy to do what Bush has done: alienate our allies and send others to their deaths because of an inability to admit mistakes and an inability to hire the right people to conduct an able war.

[ohio_dem_52186]

26. "Iran remained the most active state sponsor of terrorism in 2003."

What are opinions on the following from the State Department Reports: Patterns of Global Terrorism – Overview of State Sponsored Terrorism. (http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/pgtrpt/)

Seems like Iran may have been a better target if we wanted to crack down on terror. For reference, in the Iraq section of the report, al Qaeda wasn't even mentioned until 2002. The reference given for the Iraq-al Qaeda connection is Sec. Powell's UN speech, which was based on the intellegence that was invalid, as decided by the Senate Intelligence Committee in August.

“Despite the victory for moderates in Iran's Majles elections in February, aggressive countermeasures by hardline conservatives have blocked most reform efforts. Iran remained the most active state sponsor of terrorism in 2000.”

“Iran remained the most active state sponsor of terrorism in 2001. Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) and Ministry of Intelligence and Security (MOIS) continued to be involved in the planning and support of terrorist acts and supported a variety of groups that use terrorism to pursue their goals.” (Links to al-Qaeda are noted.)

“Iran remained the most active state sponsor of terrorism in 2001. Iran’s Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) and Ministry of Intelligence and Security (MOIS) continued to be involved in the planning and support of terrorist acts and supported a variety of groups that use terrorism to pursue their goals.” (Links to al-Qaeda are noted.)

“Iran remained the most active state sponsor of terrorism in 2003. Its Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps and Ministry of Intelligence and Security were involved in the planning of and support for terrorist acts and continued to exhort a variety of groups that use terrorism to pursue their goals. Iran’s record against al-Qaida remains mixed. After the fall of the Taliban regime in Afghanistan, some al-Qaida members fled to Iran where they have found virtual safehaven. Iranian officials have acknowledged that Tehran detained al-Qaida operatives during 2003, including senior members.”

[ohio_dem_52186]

27. Al Qaeda - Now Hiring Iraqi WMD Scientists...

Bush says: "Even though -- even though we did not find the stockpiles that we thought we would find, Saddam Hussein had the capability of making weapons of mass destruction, and he could have passed that capability on to the enemy, and that was a risk we could not afford to take after September the 11th."

Could have passed the capability on??? Knowing the ingredients to make WMD is not the problem, Al Qaeda could get that from anywhere (Syria, Sudan, North Korea, probably on the internet...)

The brains to do it on a large scale: scientists, engineers, and chemists, that is a different story. The war in Iraq has just put all of Saddam's WMD people out of work and let al Qaeda have a romp through the country for a recruiting fest.

I wonder what all of those scientists (with actual WMD experience) are going to do to feed their family? Work for the Iraqi police force? I doubt it.

Al Qaeda is no doubt joyous that they have a great pool of newly jobless WMD scientists eager for new jobs. I think we better hope al Qaeda is not hiring...


But it is all OK, "America is safer because of it"

[ohio_dem_52186]

28. Al Qaeda - Now Hiring Iraqi WMD Scientists...

Bush says: "Even though -- even though we did not find the stockpiles that we thought we would find, Saddam Hussein had the capability of making weapons of mass destruction, and he could have passed that capability on to the enemy, and that was a risk we could not afford to take after September the 11th."

Could have passed the capability on??? Knowing the ingredients to make WMD is not the problem, Al Qaeda could get that from anywhere (Syria, Sudan, North Korea, probably on the internet...)

The brains to do it on a large scale: scientists, engineers, and chemists, that is a different story. The war in Iraq has just put all of Saddam's WMD people out of work and let al Qaeda have a romp through the country for a recruiting fest.

I wonder what all of those scientists (with actual WMD experience) are going to do to feed their family? Work for the Iraqi police force? I doubt it.

Al Qaeda is no doubt joyous that they have a great pool of newly jobless WMD scientists eager for new jobs. I think we better hope al Qaeda is not hiring...


But it is all OK, "America is safer because of it"