Sbignew Berzinsky on Charlie Rose Right Now

[Xipe Totec]

on WGBH Boston.

Just compared events in Russia to Nazi Germany using the burning of the Reichstag to justify eliminating last democratic remnants

Also said US presence in Iraq increasingly becoming more the problem than the solution.

[Ohio rules]

1. Putin said "we have shown weakness"

guess that means he is going to run the show from now on.

Iraq has become a distraction in order to pull this one off.

[Xipe Totec]

2. Just pointed out Iran's Nuclear Fears

Having Russia, Pakistan and India on its borders, all nuclear powers, is it any wonder they feel they have to be armed also?

[Hmmmmmm]

14. Funny :D

Thought this was funny :D

[Wilber_Stool]

3. Zibig is one sharp cookie,

I saw it last night. He trashed "*" and did it so well that it just slipped by Charlie.

[Xipe Totec]

5. Just Finished

His closing line:

This administration is uniting our enemies and dividing our friends, and that is not a recipe for strategic success.

Go git 'em, Zbig! :bounce:

[Xipe Totec]

4. Just said: Politics is Facing Reality

and not simply relying on demagoguery.

Relating to finding a way out of Iraq.

Staying the course is not an option.

[Kanary]

12. Great quote!

"Politics is Facing Reality and not simply relying on demagoguery."

Thanks for bringing that to my attention. That is a great saying......... dang, makes me wish we had a lt more diplomacy in our stooooooooopid government!

Kanary

[readmylips]

6. If Putin takes the lead, US in big...

trouble. Russia can form an alliance with all countries that have nukes, and the US is beginning to look like a small might.

bush has concentrated all his efforts on Iraq and the whole world has distance themselves from our form of democracy - imperialism. And the rest of world formed a much bigger alliance, giving the US what bush asked for...isolation.

Maybe bush is good at dirty old Texas politics, nothing else. When it comes to real world warfare, bush thinks he's playing girly man spin the bottle, while Putin beats the shit out of him. I guess God didn't help bush look deep into Putin's soul.

In front of bush's face, Putin has declared himself a dictator...and bush has been tongue-tied

[AG78]

7. Good for him

And if he wasn't one of the people that helped build the Mujahadeen, we might not have the poblem we have now.

If he didn't want to control Eurasia, he might be a guy we should listen to. But he's just another military war gamer. Grand Chessboard indeed.

[Sterling]

8. Yes it looks like Putin got his "Pearl Harbor"

ZB is not onn our side. Who's side he is on? I cannot really tell. He seems to be one of the people who developed the PNAC policy and predicted 9-11 as a catalyst. SO I don't think he is a good guy no matter what he says of W.

[Xipe Totec]

9. On What Do You Base These Assertions Re ZB?

Not challenging, just asking because I don't know very much about PNAC, but Zbig was Jimmy Carter's National Security Advisor.

[smirkymonkey]

34. I don't trust ZB either.

He is also part of the American Committee for Peace in Chechnya (membership list reads like PNAC)who are trying to demonize Russia and push for Chechen independence - NOT because they care about the people of Chechnya or Terrorism - but because once the countries in the Caucasus are out from under Russian control, we can go in and exploit them.

He knows what he's talking about, but he's been bought and sold by the PNAC'ers.

[Pallas180]

11. AG78 - you're right onto it. Now everyone else needs to know.

[Pallas180]

10. a pox on that bastard. He gave brith to the new pearl harbor & OBL

and guess whose name is on the Chamber of Commerce group Sibel was talking about.

Check out Sibel Edmonds, Farsi spoken here, thread

of Beyond Plame thread by RobertPaulsen


US is trying to beat out Russians to the oil in the Caspian Sea. That's waht this is about...and putting the Chechens up to it....

not one Chechen was found in the terrorists that killed the children

Isn't that odd?

Bastard. Zignew. He should only die before he has a chance to enjoy the oil riches he sold out this country for/

[Pallas180]

13. Google "Zbrinski's book "The Grand Chessboard"- read following- hi rollers

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=2327623&mesg_id=2327623




70. Obstruction of Investigations Into Al-Qaeda


"On August 22, 2001, John O'Neill, a counter-terrorism expert who was said to be the US government's "most committed tracker of Osama bin Ladin and his al-Qaeda network of terrorists," resigned from the FBI, citing repeated obstruction of his investigations into al-Qaeda. The previous month, O'Neill who held one of the top positions in the FBI, had reportedly complained of obstruction by the White House, saying that the main obstacles to investigating al-Qaeda were "US oil corporate interests and the role played by Saudi Arabia."

There can be no question that the current administration in the White House as well as former US government officials, with the cooperation of certain other countries and intelligence agencies, planned and executed the September 11, 2001 attack on the United States of America to accomplish an oft stated goal since the end of WW2 as well as securing uncountable future personal wealth for the participants and the private companies they owned.

1) PNAC pronouncements and history of US govt. planning attacks
on its own land to anger the American Public enough to support a war
wanted by the "government"/

2) Failure of Bush administration to pay attention to Al Queda threats, and known infiltration into America of Saudi cells -
plus demotion of any agent or official such as O'Neill and Clarke and Edmonds who continued to attempt to have the administration act against the threats of Al Queda or investigate connections to the Saudis.

3)"Coincidental" Military "exercises"of 28/38 hijackings planned and in operation on 9/11 which acted to confuse the FAA, military, and air force as to whether the attack was real or part of the exercise and which planes were in real life hijacked and which were part of the exercise - allowing the real hijackers to continue their missions.
(and Fema's full operational setup at a NYC pier on Septmeber 10 for readiness-which became the HQ for the management of the actual disaster of 9/11 )

4) Marvin Bush cancels WTC insurance by his company just prior to 9/11; Marvin Bush's security company is the one hired to protect the building, and stands down about 5 days prior to attack, as well as Marvin Bush's company provided security for United Airlines.

5)Neither "7 Minute Bush", Rumsfeld, or Cheney gave immediate and proper orders or information to US forces to interfere with the hijackings and scramble fighters to stop the attacks.

6) The "orders" had to come from the President of the United States.
Cheney was the only one in the White House and he did not contact the
"President" of the United States and tell him what was occurring, nor did he contact the Secretary of Defense to order military intervention, but Cheney himself ran the operation and refused to order interference of the plane attacking the Pentagon even when it was within 10 miles of the Pentagon.

7) The oft stated goal of the cabal that has taken over the United States since 1988 and possibly since 1980, (FEMA and Patriot structure
written during Reagan/Bush terms) has been to attack Iraq. Iraq and Afghanistan are geopolitical keys to access to the massive Caspian Sea oil and transportation of it out of the Middle East by American and British Oil companies. These companies in association with Dick Cheney, James Baker III, Henry Kissinger,Zbigniew Brzezinski, Richard Perle,various Bush family associates and a consortium including the Bin Laden group and the Saudi group as well as chief executives of certain oil companies benefit from the occupation of Afghanistan on one side of Iran and the occupation of Iraq on the other side of Iran which now gives them access to the Persian Gulf and the ability to close off Iran's access to the Gulf.

8) With the "intervention and liberation " conquering of Afghanistan and Iraq, oil and gas pipelines for American and British companies which had to run through Iraq and Afghanistan that had been stalled for as much as 12 years or more by the Afghanis and Saddamm now have been completed.

9) New drilling and pipelines will also run east and west and south from the Caspian massive oil pool. It would appear that the liberating of Iraq's oil was a secondary benefit to the cabal as the true purpose was and is to obtain land and sea passage and access for and to the Caspian oil as well as routes for the "stans" oils and gases to be routed across other uncooperative countries' lands.

10) Former U.S. government officials, world bankers, and oil men who have planned these actions since the end of WW2 consistently have made secret comments which have become public concerning the necessity and timing of an attack on the United States which would make the average American citizen more malleable and willing to trade their liberties and the Constitution of the United States for a guarantee of "protection and safety" by this Cabal .





If you now don't know that the attack on the World Trade Center and the death of 3000 Americans sitting at their desks for their days' work was not a foreign attack but an attack on our country by its own current and former ex- government officials,then you must be certain that one bullet killed John F. Kennedy, that there was not a rigged election in 2000, and that we were attacked by Saddam Hussein and Iraq and not by Osama bin Laden, partner of Carlyle and George H.W. Bush,James Baker III, Henry Kissinger representing China, the Saudi Kingdom,Zbigniew Brzezinski, Richard Dick Cheney,Richard Armitage,
Amoco, BP America, Chevron, Exxon, Mobil, Occidental, Panalpina, and Unocal.

Since Cheney became the Vice President after the 1996 formation of this "Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce" he has replaced himself with his
married daughter under the name of Perry on this altruistic organization. Armitage also had to resign since he went into the State
Department, perhaps to spy, control, or undercut Powell, however at this time I have not researched which name or company is related to
Armitage. Moncrief Oil is known to be a personal Texan friend of W and Laura - and of course Chevron's largest 136,000 ton oil tanker named Condoleeza Rice has been renamed "Altair Voyager" when Americans became suspicious that the Iraq war was being hawked by an administration totally composed of former top oil company executives.



The Azerbaijan Trade and Cultural Center was inaugurated by His Excellency Heydar Aliyev, President, Republic of Azerbaijan on September 11, 2000.

US-Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce
1212 Potomac Street, N.W.
Washington, D.C. 20007

Officers
Honorary Council of Advisors

James Addison Baker III
Lloyd Bentsen
Zbigniew Brzezinski
Richard Bruce Dick Cheney (resigned November 2000)

Henry Kissinger
Brent Scowcroft
John Sununu
Chairman Emeritus

T. Don Stacy
Co-Chairman of the Board

Tim Cejka
Reza Vaziri
Vice-Chairman of the Board

James A. Baker IV
Board of Directors

Richard Armitage (resigned February 2001)

Farhad Azima
Betty Blair
Howard Chase
Don Condon
Stanley Escudero
Nader Fahm
Andrew Fawthrop
Mike Kostiw
David Sambrooks
Gregory K. Williams
Board of Trustees

Abdullah Akyuz
Ilham Aliyev
Graham Allison
Sam Brownback
Frank Henke
Richard Moncrief
Hafiz Pashayev
Richard N. Perle
Joseph R. Pitts
John Roberts
Stephen Robertson
Nancy Tuomey
Frank Verrastro
Officers

Theodore Ted Jonas, Legal Counsel & Secretary

Karl Mattison, Treasurer

Seymour Khalilov, Executive Director

Announcing The US-Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce, Azerbaijan International, Spring 1996. "The Chamber extends deep appreciation to the following companies which have contributed to its establishment: Amoco, BP America, Chevron, Exxon, Mobil, Occidental, Panalpina, and Unocal."
Caspian Watch # 5: Senator Byrd Takes the Lead in Securing U.S. Access To 200 Billion Barrels of Oil in the Caspian Sea, Center for Security Policy, February 1997. "This conference, sponsored by the US-Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce (USACC), involved some 300 participants, including in addition to Senator Robert Byrd: former Secretary of Defense Richard Bruce Dick Cheney, former Assistant Secretary of Defense Richard N. Perle, former Deputy Energy Secretary William White, U.S. Ambassador to Azerbaijan Richard Kauzlarich, Azerbaijan's Ambassador to the U.S. Hafiz Pashayev and the former U.S. mediator on the Armenia-Azerbaijan conflict Ambassador John
Maresca."

The following illustrates the associations of some of the above listed names:

United States-Azerbaijan Chamber of Commerce

HONORARY COUNCIL OF ADVISORS

The USACC Honorary Council of Advisors is comprised of individuals of high distinction. Council members serve in advisory capacity.

James Baker III
Lloyd Bentsen
Zbigniew Brzezinski
Dick Cheney
(Resigned in November, 2000)
Henry Kissinger
Brent Scowcroft
John Sununu

CHAIRMAN EMERITUS
T. Don Stacy

CO-CHAIRMEN OF THE BOARD
Tim Cejka
Executive Vice President, ExxonMobil Exploration Co.
Reza Vaziri
President, R.V. Investment Group

VICE-CHAIRMAN OF THE BOARD
James A. Baker, IV
Partner, Baker Botts, L.L.P.

BOARD OF DIRECTORS

Ambassador Richard Armitage
President, Armitage Associates
(Resigned in February, 2001)

Farhad Azima
Chairman & CEO, Aviation Leasing Group

Betty Blair
Editor, Azerbaijan International

Howard Chase
Director, International Affairs, BP

Don Condon
President & General Manager, Conoco

Stanley Escudero
Consultant, Moncrief Oil International

Nader Fahm
President, Alfacom

Andrew Fawthrop
Vice President, Unocal International Energy Ventures

Mike Kostiw
General Manager, International Government Relations, ChevronTexaco

David Sambrooks
Vice President & General Manager, Devon Energy

Gregory K. Williams
Strategic Security Manager, Coca Cola


BOARD OF TRUSTEES

Abdullah Akyuz
President, TUSIAD-US Inc.

Ilham Aliyev
First Vice President, SOCAR

Graham Allison
Director, Belfer Center for Science and International Affairs
Kennedy School of Government, Harvard University

Sam Brownback (R-KS)
US Senator

Frank Henke
Chairman, American Bank & Trust Company

Richard Moncrief
Chairman, Moncrief Oil International

Hafiz Pashayev
Ambassador of Azerbaijan in the U.S.

Richard Perle
American Enterprize Institute, former Assistant Secretary of Defense

Joseph R. Pitts (R-PA)
US Congressman

John Roberts
Senior Advisor, American International Group

Stephen Robertson
President, Bertling Logistics

Nancy Tuomey
Vice President, First Union Bank

Frank Verrastro
Senior Policy Advisor, Vinson & Elkins


OFFICERS

Legal Counsel & Secretary
Ted Jonas - Counsel, Baker Botts, L.L.P.

Treasurer
Karl Mattison - V.P. Riggs Bank, N.A.

Executive Director
Seymour Khalilov

http://www.usacc.org/chamber/prof-officers.htm

[Xipe Totec]

17. You might as well blame Hitler's mom for birthing the despot

Since we're blaming Zbigniew Brzezinski for supporting OBL in Afghanistan as part of the Carter Doctrine in 1979.

Yes he should have realized that someday George H W Bush would park a bunch of American troops in Saudi Arabia and thoroughly piss of the Wahhabis (including OBL) starting this fatwa on the US. :eyes:

[Pallas180]

19. It was a plan far beyond just supporting OBL in Afghanistan - and

the plan to take over the world and convince americans to do it by
attacking them ontheir own land and blaming it on someone else came
out of his mouth and brains...he's a leader in this, and a profiteer.

[AG78]

22. Hitler

was just a baby when he was born. Brzezinski was a full grown man who dealt in geo-political situations for the US Government as the National Security Advisor.

And knowing whether or not H.W. Bush would put the US military in Saudi Arabia isn't the point. Brzezinski wrote about the strategic importance of Eurasia, and how to control the planet, one needs to control 2/3's of humanity(which is what Eurasia is). He wrote about it before H.W. took office, and he wrote about it after H.W. left office.

People like Brzezinski are not our friends. They're thinkers for power. Just because he was in a Democratic administration, doesn't mean he's on our side. He's on power's side.

He may have disagreements with other military war gamers like Rumsfeld, or Kissinger, or Wolfowitz, or Cambone, or any of the other theorists. But what else do they do at these think tanks? It's give and take.

[Pallas180]

24. Brzezinski is not beyond profiteering from his recommendations either

take a look at the Azberjan Chamber of Commerce.

And of course AG 78 what you say is absolutely correct.

What is horriffic about it is their lack of concern for human life, for occupants of the areas they want to overtake..for the results of
their power plays.

Oil , Power, and Money is the name of their game. And everyone else is just a spec of flesh in their way.

These are the true monsters, bundys of this planet.

[Xipe Totec]

27. Quibbles

These are all ad-hominem attacks on Dr. Brzezinski. You're shooting the messenger to avoid addressing the message.

Dr. Brzezinski's age is irrelevant to the point which is that the earlier poster was shifting of blame backward in time to some arbitrary moment that was convenient to his argument.

Brzezinski dealt in geo-political situations, yes. That did not give him the clairvoyance to predict what some imbecile (GHWB) would do 20 years later. Get this straight: The 9/11 attack, the attack on the USS Cole, the attacks on the US embassies, and the earlier attack on the World Trade Center were all precipitated in reaction to the presence of US troops in Saudi Arabia, a defilement of holy ground in the eyes of the Wahhabis.

You state that Brzezinski wrote about the strategic importance of Eurasia, and how to control the planet, (that) one needs to control 2/3's of humanity (which is what Eurasia is). He wrote about it before H.W. took office, and he wrote about it after H.W. left office. Yes, what of it? Eurasia IS strategically important, and IF you want to control it, you need to 'control' 2/3 of humanity. Brzezinski points out that there is more to power than military might; that power also involves influence and legitimacy. Clinton had more control over Iraq when he was president than Dubya now does after destroying half of it. Does that make Clinton a bad man? Does that make Dubya a better man (because he has less control)?

You state that "people like Brzezinski are not our friends. They're thinkers for power. Just because he was in a Democratic administration, doesn't mean he's on our side. He's on power's side." Since when did thinking become a disqualifier for membership in the Democratic party? Brzezinski is on 'power's side'? What does that mean, and what are the implications? Does it mean the Democratic party is the party of the powerless? With all due respect, that sounds like a Republican talking point.

Like it or not, the United States HAS strategic interest outside this country. That's not the issue; the issue is on the methods by which the United States extends its power and influence outside its borders. By any reasonable criteria, GWB has diminished our influence in the world, made us less secure, and increased the likelihood that we will suffer more terrorists attacks here and abroad.

Shifting the blame for the present situation in Iraq to Dr. Brzezinski is a monumental non-sequitur, worthy of the blame-president. It requires linking the War in Iraq to Osama Bin Laden, and then linking OBL to the Carter Administration.

:wtf:

[Eloriel]

15. Zbigniew Brzezinski

That's how it's spelled. Just in case anyone cares. :D

[Xipe Totec]

18. Yes we do care, and thanks!

:hi:

[Pallas180]

21. Dear Eloriel , I'm lucky I can remember close to his name...

you have to put your virgo away when reading me....sometimes when I
cant think of a name...I even say "whatsisface" - but damn, we have
researched and found some damn good stuff - and solved the puzzle that
Sibel Edmonds was not allowed to speak of.

[Eloriel]

23. Dear Pallas

Not everything is about you. :evilgrin:

Please note that my reply was to the original post, not yours. Lotsa people kept getting it wrong, with the right version nowhere in sight. As a matter of RECORD for the thread, and in case anyone wanted to do any googling or something, I wanted to take the time and provide the correct spelling.

It also had nothing to do with any of your work, one way or the other.

[Paradise]

16. Zbigniew Brzezinski is a brilliant man.

Some may make a correlation to...

"Just compared events in the ('United States') to Nazi Germany

using the ('attacks of 9/11') to justify eliminating last democratic remnants."

[Pallas180]

26. He's a monster equal to Stalin, Hitler, Kissinger, a mass murdering Bundy.

He seems brilliant until you read and learn what he has been up to for
the past 35 or 40 years. Murdering is not brilliant. nor is it collateral damage. It's plain murder without a concern for those whose lives were in his way.

[Paradise]

28. Okay, I'll accept the "F" and do my homework. :) n/t

[Pallas180]

31. Thanks Paradise. That's the wonderful thing about DU'ers - you guys

are looking to be informed and learn and to spread the word,.

Thank Gawd

:hi:

[Paradise]

33. :) i love you too! :) n/t

[notadmblnd]

29. They've all been up to it ... and for much longer than 30-40 yrs

the only thing he disagrees with it the way the neo-cons are going about accomplishing it.

A book that I consider a must read is "Sorrows of the Empire" by Chalmers Johnson. it goes a long way in explaining what has happened and why since the late 1800s but especially the last 35-40 years.

[Pallas180]

32. A DUE'er mailed me Paul Weyrich's " Dominionism- Frightening

but it's exactly waht Bush and company are and have beeen doing...
I havent had a chnce to read the whole thing, but I think we need to
get that message out too....

Cheez, we're 50,000 people...why can't we get the message out and force the media to pay attention to the fascism that has taken over?

The world knows, America does not.

echhhhhh. grrrr

[Jack from Charlotte]

35. I'll never forget this about Zbiggy.....

He was on Larry King in about 1986 or thereabouts. He said the soviet Union was on the verge of collapse and it's fall would occur within 5 years.

I was shocked, but he was dead on. The CIA and the military was still ramping up like crazy when the Soviets fell in 1990.

[gottaB]

20. John Kerry is not an extremist, not an imbecile etc.

Astute obsevations.

lol

[MountainLaurel]

25. I'm not surprised

I heard him speak, along with some other muckety-mucks, at CSIS shortly after 9-11. His point was that the administration needed to:

A. Watch where it was throwing the rhetoric and
B. Remember that a war on terrorism will last decades and not be decided in a couple months bombing of Afghanistan.

[JVS]

30. pfeh! Once a Russophobe always a Russophobe

[Pallas180]

36. ?? are you speaking about Zbrinski or posters here?

sorry, I dont get it.