Is Bev Harris' demonstration today on GEMS hacking going to be on C-SPAN ?

[bearfan454]

I would love to see it. Anybody know ?

[cthrumatrix]

1. CBS should carry it "live" on the news..... people would flood back

to CBS

WHY...becuase NO other network will touch it!

[nostamj]

2. it's not on the schedule page

but, I saw a story on MSNBC earlier, so, maybe it's going to get some attention from the cables... I'd try to catch CBS Evening News too.

[LiberalEsto]

3. My husband sent emails to the media

so they ought to know about it, just in case. He's with TrueVote Maryland.

And I'm sure Bev's Black Box Voting people did a thorough job of letting everyone know.

Oddly, the Washington Post has taken a strong editorial stand supporting paper trails for e-voting recently in light of Maryland's stubborn and inexplicable refusal to require such audit trails.

So the Post will undoubtedly cover it.

[bearfan454]

5. If Bev shows this to Congress and they don't do anything,

then they have all been bought off as far as I can tell.

[Bushfire]

25. WaPost story today on evoting

'A Massive Experiment' in Voting
In D.C. Area and Across Nation, Touch-Screen Machines Face Biggest Test

By Robert MacMillan
washingtonpost.com Staff Writer
Wednesday, September 22, 2004;

Trust the computer. That's what Maryland told Linda Schade.

The Takoma Park resident and Green Party member believes in saving the environment, but also believes a that few trees are worth sacrificing for Democracy. She is a co-founder of Truevotemd.org, and among the determined activists around the country who claim that electronic voting machines -- like the touch-screen devices that will count Marylanders' votes this November -- are so shot through with problems that no one will know whether their votes were counted correctly, or at all.

"At first you say, 'God, a computer glitch, is this for real?'" Schade said. "Because in some ways it feels a little bit abstract. But once you get into it a little bit, you realize this is a very serious problem."

She says the machines should offer printed receipts and that voters uncomfortable with the machines should have the option of turning in a paper ballot. Earlier this month the state's highest court upheld a circuit judge's ruling against an injunction that would have forced changes for the upcoming election. As the issue stands now, residents will vote paperless Nov. 2, although the case brought by Schade and seven other plaintiffs -- including several state elected officials and candidates -- will return to the lower court and could still bear on future elections in Maryland.

"It wasn't a surprising decision," Schade said. "At this point it really is challenging to find remedies that are implementable" by Nov. 2. Maryland election administrators, like those in other states, have argued that it is too late to establish a "paper trail" that could be used to verify votes independent of the data issued by the machines.

more...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A39102-2004Sep21.html

[ObaMania]

4. .. should be on Oprah ..

but I guess she has more important things to address, like giving away cars.

[in_cog_ni_to]

6. DU bombarded Oprah with emails about BBV

and then Air America "Unfiltered" posted a link to her "show suggestion" page and asked listeners to email her about it. I KNOW Oprah has received HUNDREDS of emails on the subject. If she doesn't do the story...we will all know where SHE stands in politics, won't we?

[cthrumatrix]

9. if it's about Democracy and fairness ..why would she "NOT" show it?

[in_cog_ni_to]

13. Because one of her best friends,

Maria Shriver, is married to Ahhhhhnold and Ahhhhhnold could have told her it was all hogwash...don't pay any attention to that garbage? Remember, Ca. is having a HUGE problem with E voting machines. Ahhhnold stopped the $$$ that were to fund the election dept. in Ca.

Maybe because she's a repub and doesn't give a shit?

Maybe because she would save a LOT of $$$ in taxes? Any of the above or all of the above. :shrug:

I'm not holding my breath that she will cover BBV. After all, she DID help Ahhhhnold get elected in Ca. :grr: I haven't watched her since she had him on her show.

[in_cog_ni_to]

7. It should be on C-SPAN later on.

They said C-SPAN was covering it. :bounce:

[Joanne98]

8. Do you know when and on which c-span channel?

[in_cog_ni_to]

10. No, I don't.

It will probably air after the House and Senate are not in session. I don't know if it will be on C-SPAN 1 or C-SPAN 2. If I see it on, I'll be sure to post an alert. :hi:

[Joanne98]

11. Okie Dokie........

:)

[Kanary]

12. I would sooo much appreciate your alert! ^_^

Oddly enough, I can get C-Span2, so if I have some warning, I can set the recorder. There are people I'd really like to show what this is all about........ they think I'm kinda paranoid about the voting problems. :)

If it's on C-Span, and I get warning, I can call a friend to record it for me.

That would really be good....... thanks so much for the heads up on this one.

:toast:

Kanary

[in_cog_ni_to]

14. You're welcome!

:hi:

[0007]

17. Can't find anything on the cspan schedule as to when this

will be aired.

[Kanary]

18. I know :-/ Except for BookTV, their schedules are lame.

:(

It's the one thing I get really frustrated with C-Span about. Obviously they *know* in advance when different things are going to be aired, and it would be so helpful to be able to read it on their website!

Thanks for looking.

Kanary

[0007]

19. They have a Schedule in the upper right hand corner, of the cspan website

Hard to find, but it is there.

[Kanary]

20. Thanks..... it doesn't list the Senate session I just saw

or what is going on now, even.

I guess that's a schedule, but it has hardly anything on it. :(

sigh......

Kanary

[0007]

24. It can be advanced for a later look at what's scheduled in the day.

'Tis a poor set-up.

...and I sigh also.

[Joanne98]

15. kick

[Joanne98]

16. Here's a good article by Wired explaining the GEMS problem......

http://www.wired.com/news/evote/0,2645,65031,00.html?tw=wn_tophead_1

something good to read while we're waiting.........

[ParanoidPat]

21. My favorite part.....

.....from page 3. :evilgrin:

<Snip>

But speaking generally on the vulnerabilities Harris mentions, Diebold spokesman David Bear said by phone that no one would risk manipulating votes in an election because it's against the law and carries a heavy penalty. (As my wife said, so is murder and illegal invasions but that doesn't stop some people!) He also said that election "policies and procedures dictate that no (single) person has access or is in control of a (voting) system," so it would be impossible for anyone to change votes on a machine without others noticing it. And even if someone managed to change the votes, auditing procedures would detect it.

Diebold spokesman Mark Radke said that after an election, counties are supposed to go back to the memory cards taken from voting machines and manually add vote totals stored on the cards as well as vote totals on a paper printout that poll workers take from each machine at the close of the polls. Officials compare these totals to the GEMS summary totals and if there is a discrepancy, Radke said, the totals from the memory cards take precedence over the GEMS totals.

Jefferson, the Lawrence Livermore computer scientist, agreed that election procedures usually indicate that there should not be one person operating the counting software. He also agreed with Bear that officials could catch discrepancies in vote totals if they went back and manually added up the results from every individual polling place and compared the totals with the tallies in the summary report. But Jefferson said that election officials and poll workers don't always follow procedures. In the California March primary, he pointed out, several counties refused to follow procedures that were requested by the secretary of state's office and others failed to follow procedures that are mandated under California election law.

Rather than creating a system that relies on the "perfect execution of (poll worker) procedures," Jefferson said, Diebold should have designed the system to better prevent fraud.

<More>

[RedEagle]

22. Auditing?

"And even if someone managed to change the votes, auditing procedures would detect it."

WHAT auditing procedures?

(California's 1% is not enough. 3.3% is a bare minimum to hope to catch anything that might be going wrong, in a county with a population of 120,000, with a parameter of 98% voter confidence. I'd like to see 5% as a minimum)

[ParanoidPat]

23. Isn't that amazing!

Just how clueless are those guys and how stupid do they think we are? :shrug:

I think I'd rather have Baxter in charge of the GEMS server.
At least he was easy to train! :evilgrin:

:kick:

[liveoaktx]

26. Here's old vid clip from Topic A with Tina Brown

showing the issue
BBV