More signs the Draft is coming...

[Lovecrafty]

1)USN cutting 60,000 sailors.

2)USAF cutting 20,000 airmen. Dropped enlistment quota by 11,000.

3)US Army/Reserve/Guard retention rates falling.

4)Operation Blue to Green is a failure.

5)US military over-extended.

6)Bush and Co. sign "Smart Border" legislation with Canada, effectively closing it as an option to dodgers.

7)SSS getting new life breathed into it by way of 22 million dollars.


The USN and USAF are cutting troops in hopes they will buy into Operation Blue to Green and shore up the army. So far, it's been an abissmal failure.

Despite the failure, there is now a pool of 80,000 prior servicemen/women now available to the army.

There is no way to say 100% that there will be a draft. Even Bush isn't stupid enough to out-right say there will be one in an election year. However, there is no way to dispute that there are many signs that point to the very real possibility of a draft.

[The_Casual_Observer]

1. Problems are brewing in NK too probably.

[Comadreja]

2. Disaster in the making

Since Vietnam our troops have been trained for and experienced with fighting ill-equipped untrained insurgents with no artillery or battle armor besides RPGs. So we're going to send them over to meet a fanatical, well-equipped nuclear militaristic Stalinist state ready to fight full battlefield tactics on their own ground? They are so regimented that they will rather die fighting than turn back or take a monetary pay-off as the Nationalists did in Fallujah from the Marines.

[The_Casual_Observer]

4. This tid bit is overlooked by the "patriots"

Iraq was simply too temping to pass up. No air or land defenses, 10 years of crippling sanctions, more corruption than you could shake at stick at. And in the end we will still get our asses kicked out.

Just try this shit against a country with countermeasures against air and ground invasion. Rumsfeld is a paper tiger and the bad guys know it.

[Katherine2]

5. It's interesting

that we go after the countries with no armies, like Afghanistan and Iraq, but let the countries that could actually be a threat, like Iran and North Korea, go on their merry way. Gee, could it be because those countries have actual armies? Even during the actual "war phase" (or whatever it should be called) in Iraq and Afghanistan, our soldiers had 85 pounds of the most advanced guns, night vision goggles, etc., and we were fighting guys in plastic shoes with their food in a baggie in their pocket. And they were going up against our tanks in Toyota pickups. George Bush should be ashamed.

[The_Casual_Observer]

6. The military arsenal is loaded

with junk that was designed only for optimum conditions. That is, nobody fighting back and the enemy simply surrenders. Our honest to god foes can swat the planes down like flies, and crush the Abrams and Bradley's like ants. The military knows this so they stay the hell away from those places.

[Carla in Ca]

3. A few days ago

someone posted the thread 'tell me about the draft'.
My answer was...if * gets (re)elected, you'll find out for yourself.

[UNION.JACK]

7. The plain unvarnished fact!!!!!!

In my humble opinion the draught is inevitable, it's no secret that the 82Nd. and the 101St.Airborne are stretched to breaking point along the Syrian border. It requires at least 105,000 more troops to prevent the insurgents as you Americans so *quaintly* call them from infiltrating across the border and joining the ranks of Sadr's murdering scum sucking pigs.

This is an invasion that should never have happened; as most sane thinking Homo sapiens would agree. However; right or wrong it's now a fact of life and extricating ourselves from it with even the smallest degree of face saving is going to be bloody impossible? ;(

I'm not sure of whether you will agree with me or not, but After losing the Vietnam debacle proved beyond a shadow of a doubt to these ass-holes that the great Satan (their words not mine)is not invincible.

If we ever manage to wade though and out of this crap, without having to erect another wall with the names of the dead inscribed in gold leaf we will be very lucky.

So to cut a long post short the moral of the story is and this includes us Brits. For Christ's sake stop poking sleeping Tigers in the eyes with sharp sticks; under the guise of foreign policy.

[Lovecrafty]

8. Your preaching to the choir here man!

I only hope that the world realizes that there are TWO parties here in America, that there IS a distinction between those who sought out and support these kinds of wars and those that DON'T!! I am afraid that even if Kerry wins it will take years to pull us out of Iraq, with many more casualties along the way...but at least we can rest easy knowing Kerry will actually LISTEN to the Generals and not cherry pick intelligence to suit an already preconceived agenda! There were MANY advisors who told Bush invading Iraq was a bad idea...unfortunately Bush wasn't listening. Kerry will listen and evaluate with INTELLIGENCE and the experience of Vietnam having served under failed foreign policies, and not the hubris of a Neo-Con agenda!

[AndyTiedye]

9. We Know, Dammit! Most of Us Voted for the Other Guy

So what is the UK's excuse? We used to think Tony Blair knew better
than this. Is Boosh blackmailing him?

[UNION.JACK]

11. Unfortunately we're stuck with a Limpet

We here in the U.K.suffer a great dilemma under the NULAB
PARTY; in all other parties including America there is
provision to unload a leader that goes badly off the rails (in
America impeachment)in the U.K. this is not the case, we can
unload a leader in any other party *except* the Labour Party
(or as it's now know as the New Labour Party)

Once the NU-LAB party select a leader he's there until he
resigns; or until the Lord calls him. So you can see that
we're stuck with the little shit for the duration. His own
party politicians can't really do much about it as this would
be tantamount to a divided party ruling the nation and that
would never do? If it all went pear shaped the opposition
would undoubtedly come to power. So as you can see all the
labour party M.P.'s would shovel shit up a hill with their
nose's rather than let the opposition come to power.  

[UNION.JACK]

12. Hands up all those that thought the last war; was the war to end wars

Not at all no one could blackmail this little craphead,including the vast majority of the U.K. electorate who didn't want any part of this stupid illegal invasion of another nation; he went into this debacle with both eyes wide open. I suspect GREED was behind it he was probably hoping for scraps from the Halliburton table. Or perhaps cheap oil?

Over here we are thinking of marking the crosses of our fallen in our garden's of stone(graveyards) with epitaphs of you died for Halliburton.

UJ

[AntiFascist]

10. Right on!!!

and welcome to DU UnionJack. Now, can we get the greater Democratic Party to at least agree that being at war in Iraq is a mistake? No flipflopping, no straddling the issue, let's be proactive here and not try to appease those who have not made up their minds whether they are going to support the president. We need to scare the younger voters with the fact that, unless things change, a draft may become necessary and it won't be possible to flee to Canada.

[UNION.JACK]

13. Methinks I've found a great forum

Thanks for the welcome AF I'm thinking of making this my home page the political correctness has just got out of hand back here in the U.K. Blair's blind Home secretary has eroded our freedom of speech so much I think I'm now living under a reincarnation of Genghis Khan and blind Pew,not forgetting the foreign secretary the man named Straw straight off the yellow brick road.

I'm still finding my way about on this forum. so bear with me if I drop any clangers.

BTW I always call them as I see them.

[Kanary]

14. Hi UnionJack!

:hi: :hi: :hi:

Welcome to DU!

:toast:

Two great countries saddled with idiot leaders..... what a mess, eh?

Kanary