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Memekiller Donating Member (755 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 02:17 PM
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Debunk this
Some of this is obviously crap, such as Bush having "released all records", and the fact that they're calling protesting the war "giving comfort" to the enemy. But I'd like to debunk some of the factual stuff (when honorably discharged, etc.)

E-mail: Kerry's record (declassified)
This is really an eye opener.


Unlike McCain, Bush, and Gore, Kerry has adamantly refused to authorize the release of his military records. Most think it's because of his phony battle medals. I think the real reason is below. He was not granted an Honorable Discharge until March 2001, almost 30 years after his ostensible service term had ended!


This is very much out of the ordinary, and highly suspect. There are 5 classes of Discharge: Honorable, General, Other Than Honorable, Bad Conduct, and Dishonorable. My guess is that he was discharged in the '70s, but not Honorably. He appealed this sometime while Clinton was doing trouser-tricks in the Oval Office. Political pressure was applied, and the Honorable Discharge was then granted.


His file is probably rife with reports of this, submissions and hearings on the appeal, reports of his "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy, along with protests that were filed with respect to his alleged valor under fire.


This will blow up in his face before October 15th.
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On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry signed a 6-year enlistment contract
with the Navy (plus a 6-month extension during wartime).

On 18 Feb. 1966 John Kerry also signed an Officer Candidate
contract for 6 years -- 5 years of ACTIVE duty & ACTIVE Naval Reserves, and 1 year of inactive standby reserves (See items #4 & $5).

Because John Kerry was discharged from TOTAL ACTIVE DUTY of only 3 years and 18 days on 3 Jan. 1970, he was then required to attend 48 drills per year, and not more than 17 days active duty for training. Kerry was also subject to the Uniform Code of Military Justice. Additionally, Kerry, as a commissioned officer, was prohibited from making adverse statements against his chain of command or statements against his country, especially during time of war. It is also interesting to note that Kerry did not obtain an honorable discharge until Mar. 12, 2001 even though his service obligation should have ended July 1, 1972.

Lt. John Kerry's letter of 21 Nov. 1969 asking for an early
release from active US Navy duty falsely states "My current regular
period of obligated service would be completed in December of this year."

On Jan. 3, 1970 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to the Naval
Reserve Manpower Center in Bainridge, Maryland.

Where are Kerry's Performance Records for 2 years of obligated
Ready Reserve, the 48 drills per year required and his 17 days of active duty per year training while Kerry was in the Ready Reserves? Have these records been released?

Has anyone ever talked to Kerry's Commanding Officer at the Naval Reserve Center where Kerry drilled?

On 1 July 1972 Lt. John Kerry was transferred to Standby Reserve - Inactive. On 16 February 1978 Lt. John Kerry was discharged from US Naval Reserve.

Below are some of the crimes Lt. Kerry USNR committed as a Ready Reservist, while he was acting as a leader of Vietnam Veterans Against the War:

1. Lt. Kerry attended many rallies where the Vietcong flag was displayed while our flag was desecrated, thereby giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

2. Lt. Kerry was involved in a meeting that voted on
assassinating members of the US Senate.

3. Lt. Kerry lied under oath against fellow soldiers before the US Senate about crimes committed in Vietnam.

4. Lt. Kerry professed to being a war criminal on national
television, and condemned the military and the USA.

5. Lt. Kerry met with NVA and Vietcong communist leaders in
Paris, in direct violation of the UCMJ and the U.S. Constitution.

Lt. Kerry by his own words & actions violated the UCMJ and the
U.S. Code while serving as a Navy officer. Lt. Kerry stands in
violation of Article 3, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution. Lt. Kerry's 1970 meeting with NVA Communists in Paris is in direct violation of the UCMJ's Article 104 part 904, and U.S. Code 18 U.S.C. 953. That meeting, and Kerry's subsequent support of the communists while leading mass protests against our military in the year that followed, also place him in direct violation of our Constitution's Article 3, Section 3, which defines treason as "giving aid and comfort" to the enemy in time of warfare.

The Constitution's Fourteenth Amendment, Section 3, states, "No
person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President .. having previously taken an oath to support the Constitution of the United States, engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies
thereof."

A. L. "Steve" Nash, MAC Ret, UDT/SEAL SEAL Authentication Team -
Director AuthentiSEAL Phone 707 438 0120 "The only service where
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 02:22 PM
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1. It's a BS site
'nuff said
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FightingIrish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 02:29 PM
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2. John Kerry's Web Site has it all
The accusation that he has not released his records is totally false. All official Navy records plus battle action reports of his task unit are at this link:

http://www.johnkerry.com/about/john_kerry/military_records.html

I have compared his records to *'s and the difference is remarkable.
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fob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Sep-09-04 03:11 PM
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3. I think they think that his DD-215 means he was discharged in 2001?
www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/DD-215_Correction.pdf

Which only means they're too stupid to understand Kerry's DD-214.

www.johnkerry.com/pdf/jkmilservice/DD214.pdf

douchebags.
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