Holy shit, Rather is ripping Dubya a new one regarding TANG

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

If you can see it turn the station. It's worth seeing.

[skooooo]

1. On CBS evening news?

It's not on here yet..on the west coast.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

3. 60 mins.

It's damning.

[Vadem]

2. Damn! I'm watching! Where is everybody else?

This is good!

[corker]

4. blank screen

wtf.. cbs has dead air for the past 30 mins...the screen is blank all the other channels work

[wurzel]

5. Apparently in a lot of places CBS is not airing this.

[AnnInLa]

13. Karl Rove strikes again

How can this be done in this country??? Why isn't a BIG stink raised? How can others decide what we should be allowed to watch? If we pay for our cable service or for our satellite service, don't we have a right to see what is broadcast? I am so sad because of what this portends for our country if bu$h/rove gets into office again---can you imagine a country where everything is censored, and we are only to be shown the party line---for our own good? God help us all.

[kayell]

16. We really need to get together a list of where it was seen, and where not

which affiliates blocked it out, and whether they have blocked other stories consistantly. What percentage of affiliates skip 60 Minutes 2 on an average Wednesday, and what percentage skipped this edition. Any ideas on how to do this research and then on getting the story to any media likely to cover it?

[Mr_Spock]

27. I don't believe it was sensored - that would make news by itself

Someone needs to look into this - if it was deliberately sensored, then VERY SERIOUS action needs to be taken to rectify this situation. Need some fact though, not just supposition.

[alittlelark]

30. uh, yeah.....

[kayell]

31. That is what I said

Edited: Not the part about it not being (sic) sensored. There need to be some real serious questions asked about that. And because it is so very, very serious, we need good facts.
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We need - all the facts. We need the answers to those questions. There is enough here to make me suspect strongly that the story was censore by * friendly affiliates.

Why do people think that the BFEE wouldn't do something because it would be ...bad?

[OneTwentyoNine]

33. It WAS NOT shown in Kansas AFAIK...

I didn't catch the first 30 minutes but this had to be a re-run or maybe different segments put together.

Had the Robert Duvall interview and then On the Road with Dad which dates back to about mid June.

This is total BS IMO,this is flat ass control of the media...SOAB.

David

[crickets]

I think you just missed it

The first segment was Barnes. It ran about 18 minutes. The second segment was about kids taking growth hormones, followed by the Robert Duvall segment, at which point I changed channels.

[kayell]

39. It was the lead story.

The repeats came as padders later in the edition. Maybe everyone was busy on the big story.

[TeeYiYi]

45. It played in Utah. ...nt

TYY

[AnnInLa]

51. Great idea!

I was just thinking the same thing....why don't we start a thread that would allow DUers, at least, to report in if there was a problem with CBS in their viewing area, listing their problem with cable, satellite, or whatever, and the actual station. We could get the list to CBS headquarters and to the media. Anyone willing to start the thread, and copy it to send to interested parties???

[Branjor]

52. It Played on KYW Ch.3 Philadelphia....

And it was very damning!

[mourningdove92]

6. It was good. Not over inflated

or biased. It covered the things that Smirk did well, but really showed how he skirted all responsibility.

Good show.

Love the personal notes from his commander.

I live in Texas. I can't believe we got to see it but other areas did not. The post about the dead air is really disturbing. Where do people live that had it blocked? Might be interesting to know.

[Carolina]

50. It played here in SC

Let's see. Thus far viewers in Utah, TX, SC saw it. Hmmm ... states that Bush is likely to carry (carried them last time) so no risk there.

It would be interesting to see if it played in Colorado, Missouri, Ohio, W. Virginia, Pennsylvania, Michigan ....

[hlthe2b]

56. Yup played in Denver

[crickets]

7. Great documentation

The effort to find the documents (what documents can be found) and authenticate them was impressive. Barnes' considered and measured recounting of the facts was as well. The WH spokesman came off sounding incredibly condescending and hypocritical.

I agree with Billy_Pilgrim - it's damning. It was a bit short, but it had serious punch.

[Swamp Rat]

8. I missed it. What did he say?

Don't vote for Bush! He's an alien lizard!

[kayell]

9. Very nice appetizer

I am definitely hungry for the rest of the story. Hopefully it whets other people appetites for the full facts also.

[papau]

35. link to rest of the story below

....www.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/opinion/lechliter.pdf

[crickets]

42. Fantastic!

Thanks for posting that link.

[kayell]

43. Thank you

I've been very busy at work the last few days and have missed a bit.

When did this appear?

[papau]

47. I do not know-but I do know the rest of the media pretend it doesn't exist

:-)

[rumguy]

10. will there be a transcript posted anywhere?

[RamboLiberal]

12. Story posted on CBS Website

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/09/06/politics/main641481.shtml

[rumguy]

20. thanks for the link - this is my favorite line

"Essentially, Bush gamed the system to avoid serving his country the way that most of his contemporaries had to," Korb said.

Ouch - that's gonna leave a mark.

[Tom Yossarian Joad]

11. It's pretty damning that so many can't see this.

WTF is happening to our country?

[BlueJazz]

19. I'm in St. Petersburg, Fl and CBS and our local

..station showed it in all it's glory. I loved it. Heh, Heh, Heh..

[Catfight]

29. When was this on? n/t

[BlueJazz]

32. At 8:00 :) n/t

[onecent]

14. Was able to see it in Kansas City

n/t

[shraby]

15. Something else was covered

here in Wisconsin. I checked then turned it to Keith Olbermann.

[alarcojon]

55. I saw it

I'm in western Wisconsin

[Disturbed]

17. Most Networks downplaying it.

The ran the SB crap ad nauseum but now they say why are we dwelling on the past. Goddamned hypocrites!

[Zhade]

18. Hope someone captures it - I'm without cable.

I despise most tv - ironic, since I work in broadcasting!

Maybe someone will torrent this...

[noiretextatique]

21. this great...but there's that nagging question

why wasn't this covered during his FIRST campaign? :grr:

[kayell]

24. It was mentioned, but largely buried by the media

But now with Barnes on record, and new documentation, this story may actually come to life.

The other story needs to be about it being kept off the air in so many areas. I want some real reporters out there on this one. Where, when, how, why, WHO? Damn it, surely a few remember how to ask questions and dig for answers.

[noiretextatique]

26. let's hope so eom

[kath]

40. YES, why the bleepity-bleep wasn't it covered years and years ago?

[acmavm]

22. Showed it here in good old Omaha, Nebraska. Strange, if they are

blocking it in different areas, I'm surprised they didn't block it here in Old MacDonald Land.

The fact that they backed up Barnes statements with documents proving that bush* didn't fulfill his TANG requirements was great, especially since they were new documents from his CO. Now what I want to know is who did bush* and Poopy go to to keep him from being activated?

[G_j]

23. saw it

Combine this with the Boston Globe story and it is really damning!
The paper from his commander's files that 60 min dug up: suspended for not fullfilling his obligations

[kayell]

28. "failure to perform to (USAF/TexANG) standards."

I really, really want the details on that part.

[G_j]

37. thats what it was!

along with failure to show for his physical.
thanks

[Melinda]

25. Here's the video:

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/i_video/main500251.shtml

[Catfight]

34. I only get a walmart commercial with this link. n/t

[papau]

36. Link to the rest of the story below

....www.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/opinion/lechliter.pdf

[Melinda]

41. They always show the commercial first... let it finish loading - eom

[Nomad559]

38. Direct link to streaming video

http://winmed.cbsig.net/cbsnews/2004/09/08/video642089.wmv

[Catfight]

46. Thanks Nomad for the direct link. Very good stuff....I just hope this

embarrasses any VET who did a turncoat on a brother in arms who VOLUNTEERED, Kerry didn't WAIT for the draft, he VOLUNTEERED! Any VET to question it again should be put in the same pile as traitors.

[Digit]

44. I was shocked, but pleased

It is about time, huh.

[kath]

48. When will CBS make copies of Killian's memos available?

[corker]

49. station back on after the broadcast was over...

I can't believe they censored the show. I am in north east pa, being a swing state, this area is very important. I tried calling the cable company but couldn't get threw.I am so pissed off, i spend a fortune for my cable.

[DemBones DemBones]

53. Demand an explanation from your cable company

and if it's not a good explanation, write a letter to your local newspaper about censroship.

Welcome to DU! :hi:

[Branjor]

54. I saw it ....

On KYW, Ch. 3, Philadelphia, but I am in New Jersey and got it via Comcast cable.