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gee double you bee Donating Member (160 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 03:57 AM
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Can you guys help me find something?
Edited on Tue Sep-07-04 04:04 AM by gee double you bee
Last year there was a pro-Bush tax cut email going around, using the example of people going out to dinner and who had to pay how much for what..I don't ever remember seeing a creative rebuttal using the same situation, but I have to believe there was one. Anyone know if one exists and where I can find it?
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Journeyman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 03:59 AM
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1. Try Snopes. . .
Edited on Tue Sep-07-04 04:10 AM by Journeyman
http://www.snopes.com/business/taxes/howtaxes.asp


On edit: I'm sorry, this recounts the internet story, and gives feedback on authorship, but it doesn't attempt to refute it.
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shockingelk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 04:01 AM
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2. Is this it?
Here's the White House transcript that's sounds like it might be it:

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/01/20040122-5.html
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uhhuh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-07-04 04:23 AM
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3. And now, if you're interested, the rebuttal:
Let's put tax cuts in terms everyone can understand. Suppose that every day, ten men go out for dinner. The bill for all ten comes to $100. If they paid their bill the way we pay our taxes, it would go something like this:

"The first four men — the poorest — would pay nothing; the fifth would pay $1, the sixth would pay $3, the seventh $7, the eighth $12, the ninth $18, and the tenth man — the richest — would pay $59."



What is not mentioned is that the first four men were barely surviving, and all they ordered was water.

The fifth could afford a coffee on his wages, the sixth, a side salad, the seventh got a cheeseburger and fries and a coke, the eigth, a spaghetti dinner, the ninth, a NY steak, with a salad and soup, and dessert.

The tenth guy got prime rib and lobster tail, salad, soup, two glasses of wine, and a whole pie.



"That's what they decided to do. The ten men ate dinner in the restaurant every day and seemed quite happy with the arrangement — until one day, the owner threw them a curve (in tax language a tax cut).

"Since you are all such good customers," he said, "I'm going to reduce the cost of your daily meal by $20." So now dinner for the ten only cost $80.00.

"The group still wanted to pay their bill the way we pay our taxes. So the first four men were unaffected. They would still eat for free. But what about the other six — the paying customers? How could they divvy up the $20 windfall so that everyone would get his "fair share?"

The six men realized that $20 divided by six is $3.33. But if they subtracted that from everybody's share, Then the fifth man and the sixth man would end up being PAID to eat their meal. So the restaurant owner suggested that it would be fair to reduce each man's bill by roughly the same amount, and he proceeded to work out the amounts each should pay."




Notice how if some of the guys at the lower end of the economic spectrum actually benefit, the guys at the higher end cry foul, and the guys at the very bottom, who were already getting nothing, still get screwed.





"And so the fifth man paid nothing, the sixth pitched in $2, the seventh paid $5, the eighth paid $9, the ninth paid $12, leaving the tenth man with a bill of $52 instead of his earlier $59. Each of the six was better off than before. And the first four continued to eat for free.

But once outside the restaurant, the men began to compare their savings. "I only got a dollar out of the $20," declared the sixth man who pointed to the tenth. "But he got $7!"

"Yeah, that's right," exclaimed the fifth man, "I only saved a dollar, too . . . It's unfair that he got seven times more than me!".

"That's true!" shouted the seventh man, "why should he get $7 back when I got only $2? The wealthy get all the breaks!"

"Wait a minute," yelled the first four men in unison, "We didn't get anything at all. The system exploits the poor!"




All of these guys, even the poor ones are clearly Republicans if they would whine about this.



"The nine men surrounded the tenth and beat him up. The next night he didn't show up for dinner, so the nine sat down and ate without him. But when it came time to pay the bill, they discovered, a little late what was very important. They were FIFTY-TWO DOLLARS short of paying the bill! Imagine that!"



They also bought $52 dollars less crap, and were able to easily afford it anyway.



"And that, boys and girls, journalists and college instructors, is how the tax system works. The people who pay the highest taxes get the most benefit from a tax reduction. Tax them too much, attack them for being wealthy, and they just may not show up at the table anymore."


Where are they going to go? If they go to another "restaurant" where they aren't coddled, and given a "good customer discount", they will be back to spending $59. You know they would dare do that if they could help it.
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