Myth: Quebec is a leftist paradise...

[Zell in Hell]

Fact:

Liberal Premier Jean Charest is a member of the Conservative Party of Canada.

Parti Quebecois opposition leader Bernard Landry was hand-picked to lead the PQ by former Progressive Conservative cabinet minister Lucien Bouchard.

Action Democratique du Quebec (a right-libertarian party) leader Mario Dumont is also a federal Tory.

[dumpster_baby]

1. This is just temporary, right?

Cuz I was thinking about moving there someday, maybe. Ya never know...

[Zell in Hell]

4. Hmmm...

If popular Bloc Quebecois leader Gilles Duceppe, a reformed Marxist who spent years organising Montreal's immigrant workers, mores to provincial politics, things will get a lot better.

A lot of ADQ supporters are disgruntled young leftists rebelling against the "big" parties (even though the party is right-wing). Many even support the NDP federally.

[sid dicious]

2. Ya but comparing a canadian conservaitive to

the bible beating abortion clinic murdering racist incest-loving right-wing here...that's like saying that National Socialism (naziism) is the same as a progressive mindset because the word socialism is in it.

[Zell in Hell]

3. No it's not...

But this is the same Conservative Party of Canada that put Apartheid supporter Rob Anders in its GOP convention "delegation". (Guess Cheney needed some company.)

[Minstrel Boy]

5. I'm no fan of Charest's, but let's at least be honest here.

Charest is a former leader of the Progressive Conservative Party of Canada. That party no longer exists. He is now a member of the Liberal Party of Canada.

[Zell in Hell]

7. No.

The PLQ and the LPC haven't been affiliated since 1962 due to the leftist direction Lesage and Levesque (who was then a PLQ cabinet minister) took the party. (Bourassa moved the party to the centre in the 1970s.)

The only party with both provincial and federal wings is the NDP.

[Minstrel Boy]

14. Point taken, but

re: your original post, Charest is not a member of the Conservative Party.

[CHIMO]

15. Charest Was Not

A member of the Conservatives.
He was a member of the PC's.
If you are in Quebec then I would say watch out because Charest still considers Mulroney his mentor.
As well ROC might have to watch out for Charest if the Conservatives ever have a convention and decide that they should have a more moderate face for the party.
Conservatives never showed up in Quebec provincial politics in the 1900's as Duplessis took care of things for them.

[Zell in Hell]

17. The Conservatives ran Quebec till the 1890s

Then the Liberals ran Quebec until 1936, when a merger of a dissident wing of the Quebec Liberals (Alliance Liberal National) and the Conservatives known as the Union Nationale won that election.

The UN lost badly in 1939, won a bare majority in 1944 in spite of the ALN pulling out ot the merger and of losing the popular vote by 0.5% to the Liberals, and then ruled Quebec from 1944 to 1960.

The UN was led by falangist autocrat Maurice Duplessis and played dirty and intimidated Quebeckers to win elections.

[Feanorcurufinwe]

9. You'd be surprised to learn just how common that type of 'logic' is at DU

[Ripley]

10. What is a bible beating abortion clinic murdering...

etc.? Bible beating? Huh?

[sid dicious]

12. What's a stalker Ripley

you!

What is this. Let's see Bible-Beating...sorry I meant Bible-thumping!
Abortion clinic murdering sorry I meant abortion clinic worker murdering. Maybe the anal judge was looking for abortion clinic bombing.

Sorry if you want me to be PC about my language here. But I'm not sanatizing shit for you or anyone. I'll call B*sh a chimp. I don't particulary dig right-wing christians. And I hate alot of stuff the right stands for. Like trying to tell people how to live...like your telling me how to type my posts.

fine...thanks for the suggestions AISLE take them into CONSIDURASHUN.

[sasquatch]

6. Is this any surprise to anyone beides Americans

Every once in a while a couple of Frogs want to declare independence from everyone else in the swamp. Most nationalist movements are lead by rightwingers BTW.

[Zell in Hell]

8. Quebec's an odd place...

Very pro-union but also the most pro-free trade part of Canada.

Socially and culturally liberal though and very anti-American on foreign policy issues.

[Zell in Hell]

11. Political affiliation on an international level is also an odd thing...

Both the Liberal Party of Canada and Taiwan's Democratic Progressive Party are members of Liberal International, but the Liberals are the only Canadian party unsympathetic to Taiwan's nationalist movement.

Similarly, the Liberal Party of Australia, the Kuomintang, le Ralliment pour un Mouvement Populaire (Chirac's Party), and the GOP are all members of the International Democrats Union, while Canada's NDP, Britain's New Labour, and Venezuela's 2nd biggest Anti-Chavez party are all Socialist International members (and of those, only the NDP belongs there).

[canuckybee]

13. Let's be completely honest here

Lucien Bouchard was a political opportunist who switched party affiliations whenever it suited his purpose. The reason he was a "former Progressive Conservative cabinet minister" is because he left to become the leader of the BQ. After which he left the BQ to lead the Parti Quebecois. Once he realized he could not lead Quebec to Independence in glory, he quit, and "hand-picked" Bernard Landry to succeed him. Bernard Landry was a racist little prick.

For those of you who are unfamiliar with M. Bouchard, he was considered to be the best public speaker in the world in his day. He had that uncanny ability to raise an audience to a fevered pitch, while actually saying nothing of substance. He came within a hair of achieving his goal of a separate Quebec. He lost the referendum 50 point something to 49 point something. They cheated blatantly in the vote counting, and still managed to lose.

To anyone considering escape to Canada, as someone who worked very hard to escape Quebec, I strongly recommend any of the other provinces.

[Screaming Lord Byron]

16. The ADQ is pretty marginal, and the PQ will crush Charest in 2007.

Quebec is fairly left-wing. The PQ is fairly left-wing, the BQ is fairly left-wing. The definitely left-wing Gilles Duceppe will soon replace Landry as leader of the social democratic Parti Quebecois.