Cheney's solution to our energy problem is to seize the oil

[Veggie Meathead]

assets of weak nations like Equatorial Guinea, Iraq,several West African Countries like Gabon and possibly some of the Emirates,some of the Caspian basin countries and so on.Because this project was so blatant, Cheney stonewalled the release of that task force's report.Even now as Iraq and equatorial Guinea have been attacked,Cheney is biding his time until the election is over to renew his plan for stealing the oil resources of weak nations.

[Junkdrawer]

1. See

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=2311467&mesg_id=2311720&page=

[JohnyCanuck]

2. Yup they are getting desperate it seems.

Fifty an article on the www.peakoil.net web site:

Dick Cheney, Peak Oil and the Final Count Down

By Kjell Aleklett
Uppsala University, Sweden


In the April 2004 issue of the magazine the Middle East I found a statement that Vice- President Dick Cheney had made in a speech at the London Institute of Petroleum Autumn lunch in 1999 when he was Chairman of Halliburton. A key passage from his speech was: “That means by 2010 we will need on the order of an additional fifty million barrels a day.”

It suggested that he was fully aware of the issue of peak oil. A full text of the talk had been available on the website of the Institute of Petroleum, but has now been removed (www.petroleum.co.uk/speeches.htm).
Nevertheless, further research did bring to light a printed version, dated 24.08.00, as follows:

Dick Cheney: “From the standpoint of the oil industry obviously - and I'll talk a little later on about gas - for over a hundred years we as an industry have had to deal with the pesky problem that once you find oil and pump it out of the ground you've got to turn around and find more or go out of business. Producing oil is obviously a self-depleting activity. Every year you've got to find and develop reserves equal to your output just to stand still, just to stay even. This is as true for companies as well in the broader economic sense it is for the world. A new merged company like Exxon-Mobil will have to secure over a billion and a half barrels of new oil equivalent reserves every year just to replace existing production. It's like making one hundred per cent interest; discovering another major field of some five hundred million barrels equivalent every four months or finding two Hibernias a year. For the world as a whole, oil companies are expected to keep finding and developing enough oil to offset our seventy one million plus barrel a day of oil depletion, but also to meet new demand. By some estimates there will be an average of two per cent annual growth in global oil demand over the years ahead along with conservatively a three per cent natural decline in production from existing reserves. That means by 2010 we will need on the order of an additional fifty million barrels a day. So where is the oil going to come from? Governments and the national oil companies are obviously in control of about ninety per cent of the assets. Oil remains fundamentally a government business. While many regions of the world offer greet oil opportunities, the Middle East with two thirds of the world's oil and the lowest cost, is still where the prize ultimately lies, even though companies are anxious for greeter access there,progress continues to be slow".

To understand the magnitude of the problem that Dick Cheney is addressing we can compare “fifty million barrels a day” with the total production coming from the six countries bordering the Persian Gulf (Saudi Arabia, Iran, Iraq, United Arab Emirates,
Kuwait and Qatar), that in 2001 produced 22,4 million barrels per day (Energy Information Administration).

www.peakoil.net//Publications/Cheney_PeakOil_FCD.pdf (Adobe Acrobat required to view)

From Ruppert's recent speech to the Commonwealth Club:

THE 9/11 ATTACKS WERE THE RESULT OF DELIBERATE PLANNING AND ORCHESTRATED EFFORTS BY IDENTIFIABLE LEADERS WITHIN THE U.S. GOVERNMENT, AND THE ENERGY AND FINANCIAL SECTORS, TO SEE A PEARL HARBOR-LIKE ATTACK WHICH WOULD PROVIDE THE AMERICAN EMPIRE WITH A PRETEXT FOR WAR, INVASION AND THE SEQUENTIAL CONFISCATION OF OIL AND NATURAL GAS RESERVES, OR THE KEY TRANSPORTATION ROUTES THROUGH WHICH THEY PASS. 9-11 WAS A PREMEDITATED MURDER AND IN MY BOOK, AND HERE TONIGHT, I WILL NAME SOME OF THE SUSPECTS WHO COMMITTED THE CRIME. IN MY BOOK I WILL SHOW YOU OVERWHELMING EVIDENCE OF THEIR GUILT WHICH I WOULD BE PROUD AND CONFIDENT TO PLACE EITHER BEFORE A DISTRICT ATTORNEY OR A JURY.

www.fromthewilderness.com/PDF/Commonwealth.pdf (Adobe Acrobat required)

Also www.globalpublicmedia.com has a link to an interview Ruppert gave just prior to the Commonwealth Club speech in which he discusses some of the topics mentioned in the speech including Peak Oil, US gov't officials involvement in 911 attacks etc. Approx 30 min. (There's a music intro, for about 30 seconds or so)

Ruppert Interview-MP3

[ramapo]

3. and the rest of world will just say ok?

Demand will skyrocket from developing countries such as China and India while we pass the peak oil point.

Prices will rise, affecting almost every part of the economy.

The Bush cabal's solution is to seize the oil. The US military is omnipotent enough to be able to accomplish this mission. But the world will react against us.

Our economy hinges upon foreigners supporting our debt load. We are very vulnerable a withdrawal of debt support. The military cannot be challenged overtly. Instead there will be a sharp rise in guerrilla and terrorist attacks with all the social and economic ramifications.

This is when you will see the US become more and more a police state with many of our freedoms suspended in order to fight the enemy. It is likely that the citizenry will gladly support these moves as they will be scared to death of not being able to drive the SUV to the corner store.

[Beam Me Up]

5. I'm glad to see someone FINALLY TELLING IT LIKE IT IS

I've been saying for months now that what is going on around us IS NOT POLITICS AS USUAL. I've also been saying that THIS IS NOT ABOUT *BUSH. Certainly * has his part to play, but he isn't what is moving and shaping events around us.

The elites of our society have decided to move in a particular direction. They've decided this without discussion. We are no longer living in a Republic or a Democracy, we are living in an oligarchy where the most important decisions facing not only the United States but the future of the world are being made BY A VERY SMALL NUMBER OF PEOPLE.

Apparently their perspective is that the global energy situation IS AN EMERGENCY MATTER THAT THREATENS OUR NATIONAL SECURITY. This explains everything, including why NO ONE in politics is discussing this matter. NO ONE has a solution to this problem OTHER THAN militarily insuring that US HEGEMONY in the global oil market is maintained as SUPREME.

What do YOU suggest?

[JohnyCanuck]

10. What do I suggest?

Good question and a fair one, if I'm going to run my mouth off at the evils of the oil-soaked Bush/Cheney crime cartel in their apparent efforts to do whatever it takes to control as much of the remaining world's energy resources as possible.

Well call me hopelessly naive and unrealistic if you want, but I would do my best to avoid starting resource wars under false pretenses not only on the premise that its not nice to kill, maim and cripple people that haven't themselves done anything bad to you, but also on the premise that in the long run wars for control of resources will eventually lead to more wars, instability and terrorism at a time we can least afford it.

I would use the opportunity to try and really be a uniter and not a divider by proposing that the world come together to make a serious attempt at deriving a plan as to how we will face the global energy crisis when a rising demand for energy intersects with decreasing availability of hydrocarbon based resources. Perhaps a good place to start would be a discussion centered around the Uppsala protocol, a project by some energy analysts and academics to come up with a plan as to how best and most fairly share the world's remaining oil resources. http://www.peakoil.net/uhdsg/UppsalaProtocol.html

However I recognize that given the extreme amounts of wealth involved when we are discussing oil and energy issues and the conflicting interests of the various countries (and private interests) that would be involved it would likely be a tedious and involved process that will require a good deal of compromise and good will on everyone's part if success is to be achieved. However if we go about proclaiming ourselves to be a "civilized" people and really believe it, instead of just paying lip service to the idea, what other options do we have?

[Beam Me Up]

11. Thanks, Johnny.

I appreciate your taking the time to write a thoughtful reply. I haven't read the Uppsala Protocol yet but I will when I can make the time.

Personally, I'm VERY ANGRY that we've been 'led' to the predicament in which we now find ourselves. It isn't like the news that oil is a finite substance on this planet and that building an advanced civilization on a non-renewable energy source is a truly STUPID IDEA is some NEW concept. We've known this for AT LEAST THIRTY YEARS.

However, apparently because so much profit was to be made with oil, people who can not think in the long view of Humanitarian (not merely "American" or "Capitalist") terms decided to just plunge a head. They KNEW this was going to happen. I knew it as long ago as 1971. So did many people -- take Gregory Bateson, one of the greatest minds of the last century. HE knew.

The problem is those who spoke of caution were simply, willfully, ignored. Their concerns and ideas for how to begin building a renewable energy civilization were not given serious thought, much less allowed to become policy toward which our society worked. I'm very ANGRY about this.

Now we are where we are and we're going to suffer the consequences of this for the rest of our lives. I'm 56 years old and I do not expect I'll live to see the ripe old age 04 90+ as my parents did. I'm very angry that young people -- so many beautiful young people -- are going to have to face a truly ugly situation.

I do believe that it is possible to deal with the situation in a way that honors human integrity. HOWEVER, I do not see anyone in a position of authority or power ADDRESSING this issue. Ultimately we are going to have to face it openly, publicly. But, of course, the 'elites' don't see it this way, apparently. Apparently they were quite happy with pre-industrial civilization and look forward to returning to it.

Did you ever see the film "Zardoz"? It was quite prophetic. As, indeed, was "A Boy and His Dog."

Thank you again for your reply.

Edit: clarity

[Deja Q]

14. Carter started alternative energy programs. Guess why REAGAN ended them:

"Obsolescence", and that is a direct quote.

That decrepit fucker laid the groundwork for this massive debt and the oil issue.

Clinton helped with the budget but not with the oil.

* is a total disaster. He expected Americans to continually fall behind him after 9/11. Not quite. Some of us still think.

The end is coming. I'm just going to live while I still can. There is no tomorrow, it's as simple as that. :cry:

I used to have a blog where I lamented that our sons and daughters would hate our generation for causing the mess. Unfortunately, the Saudi reserves deception along with other issues have proven we should be the angry ones for our own future, our own sons and daughters, will HAVE no life at all and those of us living will eventually wish we were dead.

Oh well.

[leesa]

4. That's right and many Americans agree. They, of course, also believe

"Thou Shall not steal", so it has to be fully cloaked in lies, like Muslims did 9-11, but it won't take much of a lie to allow these people to go along with it because they WANT it to happen, but they don't want God to know they are stealing.

They must think God is really, really stupid!

[LisaL]

6. Doesn't look like those nations want to give Cheney their oil

[Beam Me Up]

7. That is CORRECT. That is WHY *MANDATORY* MILITARY SERVICE

for everyone will be instituted within the next Presidential term -- and I say this believing that it will be so, regardless of WHICH party wins IF THE ENERGY POLICIES DETERMINED BY THE ELITES REPRESENTED BY HALIBURTON CONTINUE ON COURSE. The only way to sustain our Hegemony will be MILITARY.

Naturally, there will be STRONG RESISTANCE from within our society on both the Right and the Left. Those who would militarily insure US Hegemony by military force accept an essentially FASCIST world view; what is, to my mind, a MORALLY INDEFENSIBLE point of view -- one which MUST THEREFORE be defended by MILITARY means.

NOTE: The only thing that can change the IMMEDIATE FUTURE (next 10 to 20 years) is a SIGNIFICANT DECLINE IN GLOBAL POPULATION, and thus, a significant decline in global oil consumption.

The stage is being set. WE are being COMPELLED in this direction. This is our future, again, regardless of party politics.

ARE THEIR ALTERNATIVES? Perhaps. Only "Perhaps." But these alternatives would require a massive and immediate CHANGE IN DIRECTION of our entire society. I see NO SIGNS from anyone in a position of authority that these alternatives are even being seriously discussed.

[Veggie Meathead]

16. There is another option for our militarists.As the opportunities for

work at living wages dwindle and all our jobs are shipped to India or China, mercenary companies like Halliburton, Vinnell and Titan will find eager recruits to staff their warmaking divisions.These fodder units and their deaths will go unlamented in the events of their deaths and no Congressional approval will be needed to unleash these dogs of war. Wars can be launched without any of the pretexts that formed the prelude to Iraq. The U.S. air force and Navy can be called upon to provide aircover to protect American lives.

This is privatisation with a vengeance.No accountability, no Geneva Conventions to obey, all acts completely secreened from any prying eyes.Even Orwell and Huxley could not have visualized these nightmare scenarios.

[wiggs]

8. rogue states and oil

New Yorker Magazine recounts a Cheney memo that the energy task force should work with NSC in an effort to meld two previously unrelated policy areas:

1) Rogue states

2) Capturing new oil and gas fields

The New Yorker described this in an article and TPM had it on April 24, 2004 as follows:

snip

Then there is this intriguing passage from Jane Mayer's February article in The New Yorker about the Cheney Energy Task Force (itals added)...

For months there has been a debate in Washington about when the Bush Administration decided to go to war against Saddam. In Ron Suskind’s recent book “The Price of Loyalty,” former Treasury Secretary Paul O’Neill charges that Cheney agitated for U.S. intervention well before the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001. Additional evidence that Cheney played an early planning role is contained in a previously undisclosed National Security Council document, dated February 3, 2001. The top-secret document, written by a high-level N.S.C. official, concerned Cheney’s newly formed Energy Task Force. It directed the N.S.C. staff to coöperate fully with the Energy Task Force as it considered the “melding” of two seemingly unrelated areas of policy: “the review of operational policies towards rogue states,” such as Iraq, and “actions regarding the capture of new and existing oil and gas fields.”

snip

This seems incredibly important, but it only surfaced briefly a while ago then disappeared. Should be brought up again. Note that the article uses the words "SUCH AS IRAQ" perhaps implying as you do that more countries are on the list.

[Veggie Meathead]

9. If you have a link to that New Yorker article, please post.Thanks.

[yardwork]

12. Slight quibble.

Cheney doesn't care about OUR energy problem, just his own.

[Deja Q]

13. Some solution, they can't even do THAT right!

Had these cretins any brains, they would have moved manufacturing, et al, back to the US first.

Even then, it's still unethical and immoral. Jesus would not approve, wouldn't you agree mister bush?

Indeed, we have to give oil to India and China as we gave them our jobs!

Sad folks, these repukes...

[radwriter0555]

15. We don't have any energy problem.

There is no shortage and no crisis.

Never was.