Gary Treudeau (Doonesbury) talks to "Roling Stone".

[DarkPhenyx]

http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story?id=6298171&rnd=1094331867390&has-player=true&version=6.0.12.857

...<snip>

And four years behind Kerry. Joe Lieberman was also at Yale, and Howard Dean was in my class. My feeling is, there should have been a cap this year on Yale graduates running for president . Howard Dean I knew quite well from boyhood. We'd gone to a summer camp together. When Howard became governor, he told some reporter that he'd gotten his sense of humor from me. I wrote him and said, "That's utter bullshit. When you knew me as a teenager, I didn't have a sense of humor. Life was much too grim."

I think Howard did an astonishing thing with his campaign. When people look back at 2004, it'll be obvious just how much he turned an election that Bush could have walked away with into a real competition. He forced everybody to take on the war issue. And his fine, righteous anger got the base motivated, in a way that might not otherwise have happened....

<snip>

Even then he had clearly awesome social skills. Legend has it that he knew the names of all forty-five of his fellow pledges when he rushed Deke. He later became rush chairman of Deke -- I do believe he has the soul of a rush chairman. He has that ability to connect with people. Not in the empathetic way that Clinton was so good at, but in the way of making people feel comfortable.

He could also make you feel extremely uncomfortable. He was very good at all the tools for survival that people developed in prep school -- sarcasm, and the giving of nicknames. He was extremely skilled at controlling people and outcomes in that way. Little bits of perfectly placed humiliation.

[madfloridian]

1. Please indicate the latter part is about Bush, not Dean.

Last two paragraphs about Bush.

[DarkPhenyx]

2. Read it and know the whole truth.

I ain't gonna do all the work for you! :)

[madfloridian]

3. Excuse me, I have the article. The last two paragraphs are BUSH.

You are making it sound like it is about Dean. Part of it is, part is not.

[scarletwoman]

6. It's not an unreasonable request, I found it confusing too.

And how much "work" can it be to simply insert a parenthetical phrase with two words? i.e. - (about Bush...)

Yes, I've gone to the link as well, but not everyone has the time to open up other links when they're reading through DU posts. It doesn't hurt to show a little consideration for your readers.

That being said, I thank you for posting this piece, it's a good read.

sw

[madfloridian]

4. I will correct it then.

Did you know Bush as a student?

We both served on the Armour Council, which was the social committee for our residential college. Nobody in my freshman dorm knew what the council was. But I apparently had shown some leadership qualities in the first three or four days of school, so I was elected unanimously. George Bush was chairman. Our duties consisted of ordering beer kegs and choosing from among the most popular bands to be at our mixers. He certainly knew his stuff -- he was on top of it .
(This is about Bush)
Even then he had clearly awesome social skills. Legend has it that he knew the names of all forty-five of his fellow pledges when he rushed Deke. He later became rush chairman of Deke -- I do believe he has the soul of a rush chairman. He has that ability to connect with people. Not in the empathetic way that Clinton was so good at, but in the way of making people feel comfortable.

Here is the paragraph you forgot
Regarding Bush:
"He could also make you feel extremely uncomfortable. He was very good at all the tools for survival that people developed in prep school -- sarcasm, and the giving of nicknames. He was extremely skilled at controlling people and outcomes in that way. Little bits of perfectly placed humiliation."

[Jade Fox]

5. "little bits of perfectly placed humiliation"--isn't that a phrase to make

your skin crawl?

Bush--bit of a creep.

[DarkPhenyx]

14. Between this and the story...

...about some specific childish behavior when he was 26 and mad at his mother...*sadly shaking head*...and this guy is in charge.

[diamond14]

17. bush*: "well..you do have a RADIO FACE"

bush* called a radio reporter at a White House press conference...RADIO FACE....

bush* has also frequently humiliated bald men, by KISSING them on the top of their heads....

bush* shook the plastic prosthesis hand of an Iraqi man in the White House, while SMIRKING like this was humorous...(and used the photo-op session REPETITIVELY to explain how 'compassionate' he is)...

bush* is the BEST in humiliating others...I often wonder why Americans tolerate that from a US pResident....

[realFedUp]

7. This is a good read....

interesting that these guys were all in Yale
around the same time.

madflor is right...you needed to indicate
that the last two paragraphs were about
Bush...

[madfloridian]

9. Since I got smart remarks, I fixed it myself.

Thanks for the backup.

[DarkPhenyx]

11. Bah!

*laughing most amusedly*

[Cheswick2.0]

8. I read the article and I don't appreciate your "clever" editing

Those last two paragraphs are about bush.

[madfloridian]

10. Since I felt it was done deliberately, I posted the correction myself.

This place is crazy today.

[DarkPhenyx]

12. Gee...now why do you think it was done deliberately?

Not thinking with your bias again are you?

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[madfloridian]

15. You posted in error, refused to correct it, and you call me paranoid.

Go ahead. We are getting used to it.

[DarkPhenyx]

18. I posted exactly as I intended

You read it wrong, either intentionally or not.

Deal with it, get over it, and move on.

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