Jesus Christ was killed for resisting the religious and political

[patrice]

authorities of his time and place.

He was trying to show us something about Freedom.

He was killed because he refused to make war for the Jews (the ones who wanted Rome dead or gone anyway) and because Rome couldn't be bothered to administer its famous "justice".

[DrWeird]

1. He was just an anarchistic provacateur.

We should just ignore Jesus. He makes us look bad.

:eyes:

[annxburns]

2. Jesus was a LIBERAL!

The biggest lie perpetrated on humanity is what the religious right does to Jesus.

He said not one word about gay people.
Had three rules: Love God. Love your neighbor as yourself. Know God loves you.
Loved those most who were most outcast and divorced from society. Lepers, tax collectors, "sinners" ...
Was a pacifist

If he came back today, I am convinced he would rip Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson a new one. (After all, he threw the money changers out of the temple). Then, of course, they and the so called "religious right" would crucify him all over again.

I HATE what the religious right has done to Jesus. For nothing else, I would vote Democratic just because of this.

[HawkerHurricane]

3. "Preaching without a Permit"

was the charge.

IF the Bible is correct, he was turned over to the Romans by the 'go along to get along' Pharasees who feared Roman retaliation if the people rioted/revolted because of what Jesus said.
Of course, the fact he preached that the Pharasees were a bunch of hypocrits might have influenced that decision...

[noahmijo]

4. This is a great fact conveniently is left out when the freep types discuss

Jesus.


See you have it all wrong Jesus was a good clean obedient man who did everything the rich told him to do. He loved the rich and pissed on the poor you see he called them lazy and a waste of space and figured all would be best if they just hurried up and died.

Oh and if you were a woman, Jesus felt you should keep your ass in the kitchen and do whatever your husband tells you to do, NEVER offer opinions lest ye be smacked down for for your insolence!

:eyes:

[GreenPartyVoter]

9. Ayuh, that's about

how most conservative evangelical churches portray him. Don't forget he was a blue-eyed blond, to boot!

--------------------------------------------------------------
And God told His children: "I love you. Play nice."

Would Jesus love a liberal? You bet!
http://www.geocities.com/greenpartyvoter/liberalchristians.htm

[Cheswick2.0]

5. he pissed off the Hebrew Preists, he was a pain in the butt to the Romans

and he disapointed the poor jewish masses who wanted a leader to free them from Rome (not one who loved the Gentiles too). Only a few people, a handful of Jews and a hand full of Romans, kept the faith with him as he was crucified.

[patrice]

7. We should tell the truth about him amongst the Pharisee/War Mongers

in the WH.

[patrice]

6. Anyone ever notice those FISH in the Yellow Pages? Isn't that Business?

Many churches are businesses; they should be taxed.

They trade on the name of the Lord; that's blasphemy to an old conservative Catholic. BTW, W. has totally descredited a real Pro-Life position. This proves "Pro-Life" is nothing. No one likes abortion, so so-called pro-lifers are talking about nothing to no one. I am glad that "pro-Life" is discredited by this administration, perhaps now it can get real on its own merits.

[Nlighten1]

8. His clan met in secret too.

But never mind that...we have to protect the public!

[Disturbed]

10. The Real Jesus

The Real Jesus

Shocking as it may be to most Christians, Jesus wasn't the founder of Christianity, and the Apostle Paul was. And to make matters worse, most Christian doctrines such as claims of divinity, Original Sin, and the Trinity rely not only on Paul but also heavily on John, a Greek. Jesus was a Jew and taught Judaism. The books that reflect those teachings are the Synoptic Gospels of Matthew, Mark, Luke, and I have to include James. See Historical Jesus and The Real Jesus.

http://www.sullivan-county.com/news/mine/

As confidence in human reason and hope for happiness in this world waned in the last centuries of the Roman Empire, a new outlook began to take hold. Evident in philosophy and in the popularity of oriental religions, this viewpoint stressed escape from an oppressive world and communion with a higher reality. Like many so-called mystery religions Christianity evolved from this setting of declining classicism and heightening otherworldliness.

Christianity offered a spiritually disillusioned Greco-Roman world a reason for living-the hope of personal immortality. Christianity marked a break with classical antiquity and a new stage in the evolution of the West, for there was a fundamental difference between the Hellenic and the Christian concepts of God, the individual, and the purpose of life. Whatever freedom existed in the world would soon give way to darkness as the Apostle Paul and the church fathers hijacked Jesus and Judaism to pervert the simple rabbi into a new Roman god.

[PATRICK]

11. Old simplistic thesis

overstates Paul, whose documents dominate the second generation Church, including hero worship by Luke who wrote his Gospels and Acts like a Christian Odyssey. Doctrinally? he didn't mean to dominate theology which in any event was a series of contemporary battles for the core message.
His enthusiastic sermons and letters can be over parsed.

Original sin- the mistranslation. Bridging the generation gap meant that the West needed a Latin translation of the Greek NT. Jerome was swell in Latin, but not so hot in Greek. His definitive(for uncritical centuries without archaeological texts)Septuagint translation had one very big one in the doctrinal area. Paul's disastrous run on sentence when cleaned up by Jerome implied Paul said clearly that all men sinned "in" Adam, forever marked by the proto sin. What the words actually said though was that "from" Adam to the present everyone has done it. A pessimistic gripe and observation not a philosophical essence wound. Jews think more existentially than the first real Christian theologians who started borrowing assumptions from classical Greek philosophers. In other words, Paul was not so definitive in the Church until Luther borrowed the original fire as revolt this time against the Church itself! Yet THAT was sold as a back to Jesus reformation so in our enlightened age these mutually contradictory uses of Paul coexist like Hitler and Stalin. Somehow the purification of encrusted Church theology and the Greek thinking based on Greek mistranslations are both credited to Paul.

But as with politics, people- even bright ones- cling to simple theories. The breaks, the refashioning, the rebellions are all overstated. There is a huge big picture. Paul's writings expand within that vacuum of lost knowledge. Crises provoked responses that conditioned the form, but the fundamental nature of Christianity is still Jewish, existential, in historical process and so organically human as not to be boxed in.

One of the kicks of modern times was to "blame Paul" who was not Jesus, favored ideas over parables, completed a war against Pharisaism when the Minim expelled Christians from the synagogue, knocked down the traditionalist walls to bring the faith to the pagans, and tried to walk(even define) the morality tightrope of the new pagan Christians and the Jewish moral sense. He gave his all, got his head cut off and is now set up as a scapegoat for those unable to trash Jesus.