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coloradodem2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 01:54 PM Original message |
When did this country really become fractured? |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
1. with Reagan's deregulation and repeal of "the fairness doctrine" |
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Stew225 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 01:57 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. I'm probably a bit biased on this subject but |
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anarchy1999 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 09:35 PM Response to Reply #1 |
54. Go get "America: What Went Wrong"! Donald L. Barlett & James B. Steele |
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EST (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-29-04 10:27 AM Response to Reply #1 |
72. I second the nomination- |
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NMDemDist2 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 01:56 PM Response to Original message |
2. agreed eom |
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Pirate Smile (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 01:58 PM Response to Original message |
4. I think it was with Clinton but even before the impeachment. |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 02:00 PM Response to Original message |
5. There was never any healing of the "fracture" of the Vietnam War |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 03:40 PM Response to Reply #5 |
32. I agree. |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-29-04 09:53 AM Response to Reply #32 |
68. I've thought a lot about your response, and am frustrated with the venue, |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-29-04 10:20 AM Response to Reply #68 |
71. "Divide and conquer" has been the precept of the 'Ruling Elite' ... |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-29-04 11:30 AM Response to Reply #71 |
74. I'm also a Universal Service adherent. Taken many a vicious beatings |
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TahitiNut (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-29-04 12:08 PM Response to Reply #74 |
78. Well, we can do what we can do. |
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Mayberry Machiavelli (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 06:41 PM Response to Reply #5 |
42. Yeah, I was thinking late '60's, Vietnam, also. There have been of |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 10:19 PM Response to Reply #42 |
59. It was a revolution in the 60's |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 10:27 PM Response to Reply #59 |
61. There were two different parts to that "revolution" |
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BeFree (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 10:47 PM Response to Reply #61 |
62. The reason for the political shift |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 11:34 PM Response to Reply #62 |
64. Well, that's your view. I was there, and it was different. |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-29-04 02:22 AM Response to Reply #5 |
67. Yes, perpetuated through the war on drugs |
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SharonAnn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
6. Nixon's Impeachment |
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coloradodem2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 02:03 PM Response to Reply #6 |
8. Nixon wasn't impeached. |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 02:26 PM Response to Reply #8 |
19. if he" wasn't impeached" why in hell was it necessary for Ford to PARDON N |
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Vickers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 02:31 PM Response to Reply #19 |
20. It's kind of the opposite of "prior restraint" |
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coloradodem2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 02:32 PM Response to Reply #19 |
21. Because Nixon stood a chance of being impeached. |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 04:50 PM Response to Reply #19 |
33. Nixon wasn't impeached |
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T Town Jake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 05:49 PM Response to Reply #19 |
38. Because even though he was no longer president... |
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Booster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 02:41 PM Response to Reply #6 |
24. I agree that it all started with Nixon. |
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coloradodem2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 02:43 PM Response to Reply #24 |
27. Of course they could blame Kerry for Nixon's problems too. |
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immoderate (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-29-04 12:01 PM Response to Reply #24 |
77. Dont forget to give credit to... |
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Leilani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 02:01 PM Response to Original message |
7. During Vietnam |
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Vickers (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
9. A lot of things led up to this, but Clinton spanking George Sr. really |
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MUSTANG_2004 (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-29-04 09:58 AM Response to Reply #9 |
69. Disagree |
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CityDem (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 02:05 PM Response to Original message |
10. I can't say exactly when |
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Leilani (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 02:10 PM Response to Original message |
11. The Newt Gingrich crazies, |
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realFedUp (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 07:33 PM Response to Reply #11 |
47. Yes, the Contract on America |
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bobbieinok (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 02:11 PM Response to Original message |
12. started in the 60s...social liberals vs social conservatives. pro rights v |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
13. When did it become fractured? |
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gumby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 03:31 PM Response to Reply #13 |
31. Exactly |
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bobbieinok (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 07:29 PM Response to Reply #13 |
46. thorough answer |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 02:12 PM Response to Original message |
14. The civil war. The south has been fighting it ever since.. Bunch of |
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tedoll78 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
15. Somewhere between impeachment and the 2000 ruling. |
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OHswingvoter (160 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 02:14 PM Response to Original message |
16. I remember hating Nixon back |
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seabeyond (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
17. newt with his new america |
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wurzel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 02:16 PM Response to Original message |
18. The "oil embargo" of 1973. Corporations held the people to ransom! |
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coloradodem2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 02:33 PM Response to Reply #18 |
22. What did Kennedy do to them? |
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Blue Wally (974 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 02:58 PM Response to Reply #22 |
28. Kennedy "jawboned" the steel industry |
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wurzel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 06:38 PM Response to Reply #28 |
41. You say true!!! |
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H2O Man (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 06:52 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. Kennedy gave them hell in a press conference: |
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wurzel (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 06:55 PM Response to Reply #43 |
44. It could have got him killed. |
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YIMA (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 02:36 PM Response to Original message |
23. I don't know, but one thing I'm sure of...... |
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coloradodem2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 02:42 PM Response to Reply #23 |
25. If Bush gets re-(s)elected, it will be far worse. |
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YIMA (166 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-29-04 07:49 PM Response to Reply #25 |
85. Let me put it this way.... |
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Sick_of_Rethuggery (853 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 02:43 PM Response to Original message |
26. One person: Rush Limbaugh |
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Cat Atomic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 03:00 PM Response to Original message |
29. I agree. The right-wing had been picking a fight for years though. |
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coloradodem2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 03:05 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. I think it happened in steps. |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 05:00 PM Response to Original message |
34. when Cain slew Abel |
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spanone (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 05:02 PM Response to Original message |
35. Election 2000 |
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spooked (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-29-04 12:19 AM Response to Reply #35 |
65. ELECTION 2000 |
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greekspeak (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 05:04 PM Response to Original message |
36. Between Nixon and Reagan |
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T Town Jake (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 05:40 PM Response to Original message |
37. Nov. 22, 1963 - it began there, and has grown since, IMHO. |
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gumby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 06:10 PM Response to Reply #37 |
40. Definitely |
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Star (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 06:09 PM Response to Original message |
39. Just found all this stuff last night. Chilling |
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J Williams (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 07:48 PM Response to Reply #39 |
49. Yes. Thanks. A lot of people don't know that. And... |
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Star (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-29-04 02:09 AM Response to Reply #49 |
66. I just bought that book today. |
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Ladyhawk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-29-04 12:26 PM Response to Reply #39 |
79. Yes, I watched my family's attitudes change due to televangelism. |
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Star (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-29-04 06:46 PM Response to Reply #79 |
82. Its hard, Ladyhawk |
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Ladyhawk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-29-04 07:10 PM Response to Reply #82 |
84. Just a guess, but I think this might happen more often in dysfunctional |
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Star (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-29-04 09:03 PM Response to Reply #84 |
87. You've hit it right on the head. |
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Ladyhawk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-29-04 11:24 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. Interesting. One would think that you and I... |
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J Williams (187 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 06:56 PM Response to Original message |
45. Before Clinton, before Vietnam, before Nixon ... |
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rustydad (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 07:41 PM Response to Original message |
48. When? |
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Jackpine Radical (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 07:49 PM Response to Original message |
50. 1964. Maybe '65. (nt) |
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zeemike (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 08:48 PM Response to Reply #50 |
53. Actually before that |
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gumby (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 08:34 PM Response to Original message |
51. New voices on this topic |
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agincourt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 08:41 PM Response to Original message |
52. When they got control of AM radio, |
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Skittles (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 09:42 PM Response to Original message |
55. when republicans made "liberal" a dirty word |
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Ladyhawk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-29-04 12:35 PM Response to Reply #55 |
81. "Watch what you say, |
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DebJ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 10:01 PM Response to Original message |
56. When has this country NOT been fractured? Media just speeds |
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coloradodem2005 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 11:04 PM Response to Reply #56 |
63. Well, the 50's had McCarthyism too. |
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MUSTANG_2004 (688 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-29-04 10:03 AM Response to Reply #56 |
70. Agreed |
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Cheswick2.0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 10:10 PM Response to Original message |
57. during the debates over the constitution |
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leesa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 10:12 PM Response to Original message |
58. Reagan gutting the FCC. It took our media away and put it into the hands |
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0007 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-28-04 10:26 PM Response to Original message |
60. 'Tis been going on for a long time. I remember when President Roosevelt |
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UpsideDownFlag (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-29-04 10:28 AM Response to Original message |
73. during the civil war. |
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Toucano (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-29-04 11:43 AM Response to Original message |
75. I personally put it earlier. "Don't blame me. I voted for Bush." |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-29-04 11:44 AM Response to Original message |
76. It really became fractured |
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AG78 (840 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-29-04 12:31 PM Response to Original message |
80. 2000 |
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ElsewheresDaughter (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-29-04 06:52 PM Response to Original message |
83. it started in Barry Goldwater's days 1964....imho........... |
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The Great Escape (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-29-04 08:00 PM Response to Original message |
86. 1992 Republican Convention In Houston... |
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69KV (444 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Aug-29-04 11:03 PM Response to Original message |
88. You know I've thought about this a lot |
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