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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 07:27 PM
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CAN WE CONSOLIDATE THE PENTAGON SPY DATA HERE?
Edited on Fri Aug-27-04 07:29 PM by WilliamPitt
There are so many threads, and the data is flying everywhere. Starter link:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/08/27/eveningnews/main639143.shtml

Are there many spies for Israel in our government? Is that :tinfoilhat: ?

All information gathered here will be forwarded to people who can use it - if you get me - and provide answers, and will also be out on truthout when I can get it there.

Call this one a RED ALERT. Help me out, and thanks.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 07:29 PM
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1. google an old article by Jason Vest from TAP called
"The Men from JINSA"

I suspect over the next few days, many names in his research will be referred to continually.
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 07:35 PM
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Here's a copy of it from the Nation
The Men From JINSA and CSP
By Jason Vest
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20020902&s=vest

Lots of names in that one:

For example, the Pentagon's Defense Policy Board--chaired by JINSA/CSP adviser and former Reagan Administration Defense Department official Richard Perle, and stacked with advisers from both groups--recently made news by listening to a briefing that cast Saudi Arabia as an enemy to be brought to heel through a number of potential mechanisms, many of which mirror JINSA's recommendations, and which reflect the JINSA/CSP crowd's preoccupation with Egypt. (The final slide of the Defense Policy Board presentation proposed that "Grand Strategy for the Middle East" should concentrate on "Iraq as the tactical pivot, Saudi Arabia as the strategic pivot Egypt as the prize.") Ledeen has been leading the charge for regime change in Iran, while old comrades like Andrew Marshall and Harold Rhode in the Pentagon's Office of Net Assessment actively tinker with ways to re-engineer both the Iranian and Saudi governments. JINSA is also cheering the US military on as it tries to secure basing rights in the strategic Red Sea country of Eritrea, happily failing to mention that the once-promising secular regime of President Isaiais Afewerki continues to slide into the kind of repressive authoritarianism practiced by the "axis of evil" and its adjuncts.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 09:18 PM
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99. Ledeen and his associations were discussed here a month ago
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2128960

It was when Josh Marshall's story on the Italian connection to the Niger forgeries was scooped. A lot of ground was covered -- too much to summarize here. And it may or may not turn out to be directly relevant to the Feith/Wolfowitz/AIPAC axis. But it's certainly worth giving a fresh look.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 07:29 PM
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2. Dov Zakheim should be looked at he's already under investigation
DoD Statement on Jack Shaw and the Iraq Telecommunications Contract
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=743997
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emulatorloo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 07:30 PM
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3. Yahoo Link to Reuters Story
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/nm/20040827/ts_nm/security_usa_spy_dc

snip

FBI Suspects Israel Has Mole in Pentagon -- CBS

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - The FBI (news - web sites) believes Israel has a spy at the very highest level of the Pentagon (news - web sites) who may have sought to influence U.S. policy on Iran and Iraq (news - web sites), CBS News reported on Friday.


The Israeli embassy immediately denied the report.

"The FBI has a full-fledged espionage investigation under way and is about to ... roll up someone agents believe has been spying, not for an enemy, but for Israel, from within the office of the secretary of defense (Donald Rumsfeld)," the network reported.

CBS News said the FBI believed it had solid evidence the suspected mole supplied Israel with classified material that included secret White House deliberations on Iran.

The network described the spy as "a trusted analyst" assigned to a unit within the defense department tasked with helping develop the Pentagon's Iraq policy.

snip
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 07:30 PM
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4. No discussion here... just info
Edited on Fri Aug-27-04 07:32 PM by Gman
we can discuss it elsewhere.
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Renew Deal Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 07:30 PM
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5. Wolfowitz has been accused of being an Israeli spy.
I have read that in my travels through the internet. He is too high profile, but who knows.
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 07:38 PM
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15. Maybe its his hair comber
Remember that guy from F 911 who help him with the spit for his hair?

I'm with you however,Wolfie was my first thought.

What a perfect person! He was so fired up to have us go into this war.

Where was he getting his motivation?

Who was feeding him the information to make him sooo sure that we must bomb Iraq?

Maybe he was feeding himself...:tinfoilhat:
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unslinkychild1 Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 07:56 PM
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34. Jerusalem Post's
Man of the Year--that's our wolfie. I heard that he has duo status citizenship? I dunno, I think I read that on one of the flakier sites, but check out whatrealllyhappened.com. Rabidly anti-Israel, but they post everything they ever hear about Israel and the neocon connections. Quite a lot of it has turned out to be astoundingly credible. I dunno about y'all, but that country is NOT our friend. That's what I feel, anyway. ISRAEL, not Jews in general, ok? Don't get me wrong and barbeque me with your flames.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 07:31 PM
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6. While you are considering all this, Will, remember Bush signed an
executive order today on intel
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:52 PM
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80. Thinking the same thing, NSMA......?????
Bush may have known all along, he was mighty quite about the whole affair??? Hmmmm..
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annxburns Donating Member (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 07:34 PM
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7. Thanks Will.
Edited on Fri Aug-27-04 07:35 PM by annxburns
I want to get my head around all of this in a simple way.

The worst case scenario for what I am hearing is this:

There was a high level spy in the Pentagon who may have manipulated the case for going to war with Iraq. Instead of investigating that, the White House tried to cover it up by outing a CIA agent.

Is that it in a nutshell?
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 07:34 PM
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9. How does Plame factor into this?
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 07:41 PM
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here's the link
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 07:45 PM
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23. Check out my posting below...
Articles says that an "official" (I think it's Wilson) told The Nation that Israel forged the Niger documents!
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:27 PM
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61. Wilson is not an "official"
though it may be someone close to him.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 09:20 PM
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102. The Nation says...
"former official". Read the article downthread, it sounds like Wilson. Middle East expert with ties to the CIA.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 09:26 PM
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107. "former official"
with ME experience and CI connections ..... well, it sure is a small world. I do remember in John Dean's NYT book review where he noted that Wilson was the wrong guy for the administration to try to bully.

Sorry 'bout that. I was responding to "official"; But the "former official" sure sounds like Wilson!
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annxburns Donating Member (948 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 07:46 PM
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24. Sorry, I heard Larry Johnson on MSNBC ...
say that these two stories are linked. That whatever group had the spy in the Pentagon may have also been linked to the forgery of the Niger uranium documents.

This was just speculation by Larry Johnson but I am wondering if Josh Marshall would know more? He has been hinting at a big story while he has been investigating the Niger claims.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 07:48 PM
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29. "MAY"?????????????????????????????????????
Is "MAY" now the definition of "is"?
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 07:55 PM
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33. It's what you say when you don't have all the facts.
Obviously, Johnson says he has been hearing things but how they all fit together is for the investigators.
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shraby Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:53 PM
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81. They mentioned on I think it was
Olbermann that the forged Nigerian documents are in this investigation. That would bring Plame into it.
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 09:35 PM
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114. Feith vetted-promoted Chalabis bullshit/ Link here
Edited on Fri Aug-27-04 09:36 PM by Carni
This is something else and two of Feith's underlings traveled to Rome- a MUST READ


http://64.233.161.104/search?q=cache:Wp8SY2CHiMkJ:www.prospect.org/web/page.ww%3Fsection%3Droot%26name%3DViewWeb%26articleId%3D7760+doug+feith+&hl=en&ie=UTF-8


"There was a time when Undersecretary of Defense Douglas Feith seemed to run a secret foreign policy from his office on the fourth floor of the Pentagon. As creator of the Office of Special Plans, Undersecretary of Defense Douglas Feith presided over a secretive intelligence unit that was briefed by Iraqi exile leader Ahmad Chalabi and sifted through CIA intelligence looking for evidence of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction and connections between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda. His underlings Harold Rhode and Larry Franklin jetted off to Rome in December 2001 for secret meetings with Iran-Contra figures Michael Ledeen and Manucher Ghorbanifar. Who knew where the revolution would spread after Iraq?"

MORE

". And he may go to jail for leaking classified information to The Weekly Standard." (As she explains, an article appeared in The Weekly Standard that included a leaked memo written by Feith alleging ties between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda.) It seems unlikely that Feith will face time for the leaked memo. But he may well be forced to look for a new job soon. As he knows all too well, regime change isn't pretty. Laura Rozen writes on national security and foreign policy from Washington, D.C."

Sorry this isn't formatted very well and the link is cached but this all ties right back to the whole Niger Chalabi thing.


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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 07:45 PM
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22. Doesn't this let the administration OFF the hook?
Rather than putting them on it? Anyone can be suckered by the clever manipulation of a spy with another nation's agenda.

Poor BushCo. They meant well, but they were deceived? They tried to protect us, but the poor babies were lied to?

How did outing Plame cover up a foreign spy manipulating the poor innocents in the White House and Pentagon? Are we saying it was NOT an act of childishly malicious spite by people who don't comprehend consequences, but a grand plan to hide.........? What is it they thought was about to be revealed?

I don't have cable; I have a pro-Israel bias; I'm not getting the connected dots.

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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:28 PM
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62. Johnson said that there seems to be a connection to the NSC.
While investigating the Plame thing, other stuff MAY have been uncovered. Niger forgery and the "sharing" of classified material with a pro-Israeli lobbyist organization. That's it in a nutshell.
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 09:41 PM
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116. I am also afraid this is a way out for bush/the buck should stop with him
But we know how THAT goes...
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 09:44 PM
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120. Aquart. You're getting warm. This misadministration
Edited on Fri Aug-27-04 09:48 PM by Pallas180
never takes the responsibility or blame for anything.

So, it was Chalabi's false information that engaged us in war in
Iraq.

And it is the Israeli spy who almost succeeded in getting us into a
war with Iran, don't you see?

hmmmm. Why am I wondering what atrocity bushco has just committed on Iranian borders that they are trying to blame on Israel's false information urging the US to do so? ?

Oh yes. I forgot. The US is very aggravated with Israel for sending
(dare I say) Mossad to the Kurds to work with them. The US fears that
Israel will foment the Kurds demanding a country of their own.

Payback is a bitch isn't it.

High stakes game.

By the way, I did say on line that when this administation had a
place to land their planes in the Middle East, they wouldn't need
Israel anymore.
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SlavesandBulldozers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 07:34 PM
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8. nt
Edited on Fri Aug-27-04 07:36 PM by soundgarden1
tweety touched on it
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 07:40 PM
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18. Pat Buchannan danced all over it on MSNBC

this evening.

Don't have the video but he had all kinds of wild ideas about how this could have happened.

He was interviewed by that blonde whose name I can't remember.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 07:46 PM
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25. How WHAT could have happened???????????????????
What's "this"???
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goclark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 07:51 PM
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31. Sorry that I wasn't listening closely

I was on the phone and the host asked him what he thought about the late breaking Spy Story.

I just got the impression that he was eager to get his talking points from Rove out to the public. He was going on and on .

Hopefully someone has a link. It was on MSNBC about 5 PM PST.

Wish I had more.
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My Pet Goat Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 07:59 PM
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39. He had theories that...
Edited on Fri Aug-27-04 08:01 PM by My Pet Goat
both Bush and Kerry would have reasons to want to "blow" the investigation before it got any further, in both cases related to the Jewish vote. That is what Buch. said and I thought he was wildly speculating at that point.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 07:35 PM
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10. Just some background stuff I was...
Edited on Fri Aug-27-04 07:43 PM by Hell Hath No Fury
digging up.


On Friday, July 7, the Senate Intelligence Committee released its final report on their investigation into pre-invasion Iraqi intelligence information. In the report, the panel concluded the CIA "provided false and unfounded assessments of the threat posed by Iraq that the Bush administration relied on to justify going to war."

But this report only covers half of the true story. Due to the insistence of the Republican members of the Senate Intelligence Committee, an investigation into the White House's role in the gathering and use of Iraqi intelligence information was NOT allowed. Instead, the matter is to be covered in a separate report, due to be published after the 2004 election.

Those who have been following this story closely know that this second investigation has the potential to reveal the whole truth, and could help finally expose the circumstances that drove the US to war.

In this edition of the Do You Know Update, we'll focus on this question, taking a look at the Office of Special Plans and its hand in the invasion of Iraq.

Office of Special Plans

Here are four excellent articles and reports on a secret Pentagon intelligence group set up by Donald Rumsfeld in October of 2001. The purpose of the Office of Special Plans (OSP) was to gather data from various intelligence sources and create the evidence that George W. Bush needed to convince Americans of the need to invade Iraq. The articles cover the formation of the OSP, the manipulation and subversion of the CIA's intelligence data by the group, and the use of OSP material by George W. Bush to convince Americans that invading Iraq was necessary.

"The Spies Who Pushed for War", by Julian Borger
http://www.doyouknow.org/cgi-bin/r/r.cgi?k=1087

"CIA Probe Finds Secret Pentagon Group Manipulated Intelligence on Iraqi Threat", by Jason Leopold
http://www.doyouknow.org/cgi-bin/r/r.cgi?k=1088

"Selective Intelligence", by Seymour M. Hersh
http://www.doyouknow.org/cgi-bin/r/r.cgi?k=1089

"Office of Special Plans," Right Web Profiles
http://www.doyouknow.org/cgi-bin/r/r.cgi?k=1090


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And from the Right Web site:

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/govt/osp.php
...
This cabal did not operate in complete isolation from other government agencies. However, it worked almost exclusively with like-minded neocon political appointees in the National Security Council, the State Department, and the office of the vice president. NESA and its subproject OSP maintained close relations with the Defense Policy Board, whose members were picked by Feith and approved by Rumsfeld. Initially chaired by Richard Perle of the American Enterprise Institute (AEI), the DPB was as nest of neocon and other rightists--including such figures as Elliot Cohen, Newt Gingrich, David Jeremiah, Kenneth Adelman, and James Woolsey. Perle, who stepped down as chairman (but remained on the board), had served as Feiths mentor during the Reagan administration.

...The day after the September 11 attacks Wolfowitz authorized the creation of an informal team focused on ferreting out damaging intelligence about Iraq. This loosely organized team soon became the Office of Special Plans (OSP) directed by Abram Shulsky, formerly of RAND and the National Strategy Information Center (NSIC). The objective of this closet intelligence team, according to Rumsfeld, was to search for information on Iraqs hostile intentions or links to terrorists. OSPs mission was to create intelligence that the Pentagon and vice president could use to press their case for an Iraq invasion with the president and Congress.

...The OSP played a key role in providing Rumseld, Cheney, and the president himself with the intelligence frequently cited to justify the March 2003 invasion. By late 2003 the OSP was closed down, having accomplished its mission of providing the strategic intelligence cited by the administration in the build-up to the invasion. OSPs staff and operations were folded back into the normal operations of the NESA and into its Office of Northern Gulf Affairs.

Right Web connections to the OSP:

Ahmad Chalabi
Richard Cheney
Douglas Feith
Newt Gingrich
William Luti
Donald Rumsfeld
Abram Shulsky
Paul Wolfowitz
Project for the New American Century
National Strategy Information Center


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http://rightweb.irc-online.org/ind/schulsky/schulsky.php


Abram Shulsky, a Leo Strauss scholar and intelligence expert associated with the Project for the New American Century, is best known for his work in the Office of Special Plans, a secretive intelligence outfit in the Pentagon that was charged with digging up information on Iraq that would support the administration's arguments for going to war. According to an expose by the New Yorker's Seymour Hersh, the Office of Special Plans, which was conceived by Paul Wolfowitz and began its work soon after the 9/11 terrorists attacks, "has brought about a crucial change of direction in the American intelligence community. These advisers and analysts . . . have produced a skein of intelligence reviews that have helped to shape public opinion and American policy toward Iraq. They relied on data gathered by other intelligence agencies and also on information provided by the Iraqi National Congress, or I.N.C., the exile group headed by Ahmad Chalabi." (1)

By late 2002, says Hersh, the Office of Special Plans had overshadowed the C.I.A. and the Pentagon's own Defense Intelligence Agency, the D.I.A., and become Bush's main intelligence source on Iraq's weapons of mass destruction and on Hussein's alleged Al Qaeda connections. Hersh continues, "Although many people, within the Administration and outside it, profess confidence that something will turn up, the integrity of much of that intelligence is now in question.

...The director of the Special Plans operation is Abram Shulsky, a scholarly expert in the works of the political philosopher Leo Strauss. Shulsky has been quietly working on intelligence and foreign-policy issues for three decades; he was on the staff of the Senate Intelligence Committee in the early nineteen-eighties and served in the Pentagon under Assistant Secretary of Defense Richard Perle during the Reagan Administration, after which he joined the Rand Corporation. The Office of Special Plans is overseen by Under-Secretary of Defense William Luti, a retired Navy captain. Luti was an early advocate of military action against Iraq, and, as the Administration moved toward war and policymaking power shifted toward the civilians in the Pentagon, he took on increasingly important responsibilities." (1)


And from The Nation back in June of 2003:

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml%3Fi=20030707&s=dreyfuss

As the Pentagon scours Iraq for weapons of mass destruction and Iraqi links to Al Qaeda, it's increasingly obvious that the Bush Administration either distorted or deliberately exaggerated the intelligence used to justify the war against Iraq. But an even bigger intelligence scandal is waiting in the wings: the fact that members of the Administration failed to produce an intelligence evaluation of what Iraq might look like after the fall of Saddam Hussein. Instead, they ignored fears expressed by analysts at the Central Intelligence Agency, the Defense Intelligence Agency and the State Department who predicted that postwar Iraq would be chaotic, violent and ungovernable, and that Iraqis would greet the occupying armies with firearms, not flowers.

Not surprisingly, perhaps, it turns out that the same people are responsible for both. According to current and former US intelligence analysts and government officials, the Pentagon's Office of Special Plans funneled information, unchallenged, from Ahmad Chalabi's Iraqi National Congress (INC) to Defense Secretary Rumsfeld, who in turn passed it on to the White House, suggesting that Iraqis would welcome the American invaders. The Office of Special Plans is led by Abram Shulsky, a hawkish neoconservative ideologue who got his start in politics working alongside Elliott Abrams in Senator Henry "Scoop" Jackson's office in the 1970s. It was set up in fall 2001 as a two-man shop, but it burgeoned into an eighteen-member nerve center of the Pentagon's effort to distort intelligence about Iraq's WMDs and terrorist connections. A great deal of the bad information produced by Shulsky's office, which found its way into speeches by Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney and George W. Bush, came from Chalabi's INC. Since the INC itself was sustained by its neocon allies in Washington, including the shadow "Central Command" at the American Enterprise Institute, it stands as perhaps the ultimate example of circular reasoning.


"The same unit that fed Chalabi's intelligence on WMD to Rumsfeld was also feeding him Chalabi's stuff on the prospects for postwar Iraq," said a leading US government expert on the Middle East. Says a former US ambassador with strong links to the CIA: "There was certainly information coming from the Iraqi exile community, including Chalabi--who was detested by the CIA and by the State Department--saying, 'They will welcome you with open arms.'" Rumsfeld's willingness to accept that view led him to contradict the Chief of Staff of the US Army, who predicted that it would take hundreds of thousands of troops to control Iraq after the fall of Baghdad, a view that seems prescient today.

According to the former official, also feeding information to the Office of Special Plans was a secret, rump unit established last year in the office of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon of Israel. This unit, which paralleled Shulsky's--and which has not previously been reported--prepared intelligence reports on Iraq in English (not Hebrew) and forwarded them to the Office of Special Plans. It was created in Sharon's office, not inside Israel's Mossad intelligence service, because the Mossad--which prides itself on extreme professionalism--had views closer to the CIA's, not the Pentagon's, on Iraq. This secretive unit, and not the Mossad, may well have been the source of the forged documents purporting to show that Iraq tried to purchase yellowcake uranium for weapons from Niger in West Africa, according to the former official.

(This official is Wilson, so???)


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Forgot about this from Karen Kwiatkowski:


"In early winter, an incident occurred that was seared into my memory. A coworker and I were suddenly directed to go down to the Mall entrance to pick up some Israeli generals. Post-9/11 rules required one escort for every three visitors, and there were six or seven of them waiting. The Navy lieutenant commander and I hustled down. Before we could apologize for the delay, the leader of the pack surged ahead, his colleagues in close formation, leaving us to double-time behind the group as they sped to Undersecretary Feith's office on the fourth floor. Two thoughts crossed our minds: are we following close enough to get credit for escorting them, and do they really know where they are going? We did get credit, and they did know. Once in Feith's waiting room, the leader continued at speed to Feith's closed door. An alert secretary saw this coming and had leapt from her desk to block the door. "Mr. Feith has a visitor. It will only be a few more minutes." The leader craned his neck to look around the secretary's head as he demanded, "Who is in there with him?"

This minor crisis of curiosity past, I noticed the security sign-in roster. Our habit, up until a few weeks before this incident, was not to sign in senior visitors like ambassadors. But about once a year, the security inspectors send out a warning letter that they were coming to inspect records. As a result, sign-in rosters were laid out, visible and used. I knew this because in the previous two weeks I watched this explanation being awkwardly presented to several North African ambassadors as they signed in for the first time and wondered why and why now. Given all this and seeing the sign-in roster, I asked the secretary, "Do you want these guys to sign in?" She raised her hands, both palms toward me, and waved frantically as she shook her head. "No, no, no, it is not necessary, not at all." Her body language told me I had committed a faux pas for even asking the question. My fellow escort and I chatted on the way back to our office about how the generals knew where they were going (most foreign visitors to the five-sided asylum don't) and how the generals didn't have to sign in. I felt a bit dirtied by the whole thing and couldn't stop comparing that experience to the grace and gentility of the Moroccan, Tunisian, and Algerian ambassadors with whom I worked."

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/Iraq/Story/0,2763,999737,00.html

The OSP was an open and largely unfiltered conduit to the White House not only for the Iraqi opposition. It also forged close ties to a parallel, ad hoc intelligence operation inside Ariel Sharon's office in Israel specifically to bypass Mossad and provide the Bush administration with more alarmist reports on Saddam's Iraq than Mossad was prepared to authorise.

"None of the Israelis who came were cleared into the Pentagon through normal channels," said one source familiar with the visits. Instead, they were waved in on Mr Feith's authority without having to fill in the usual forms.

The exchange of information continued a long-standing relationship Mr Feith and other Washington neo-conservatives had with Israel's Likud party.

In 1996, he and Richard Perle - now an influential Pentagon figure - served as advisers to the then Likud leader, Binyamin Netanyahu. In a policy paper they wrote, entitled A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm, the two advisers said that Saddam would have to be destroyed, and Syria, Lebanon, Saudi Arabia, and Iran would have to be overthrown or destabilised, for Israel to be truly safe.

The Israeli influence was revealed most clearly by a story floated by unnamed senior US officials in the American press, suggesting the reason that no banned weapons had been found in Iraq was that they had been smuggled into Syria. Intelligence sources say that the story came from the office of the Israeli prime minister.



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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 09:55 PM
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127. OSP Had Israeli Twin. This Sums Things Up Nicely
Edited on Fri Aug-27-04 09:56 PM by cryingshame
to a great extent, so I'm going to reprint this bit from the above post:

According to the former official, also feeding information to the Office of Special Plans was a secret, rump unit established last year in the office of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon of Israel. This unit, which paralleled Shulsky's--and which has not previously been prepared intelligence reports on Iraq in English (not Hebrew) and forwarded them to the Office of Special Plans. It was created in Sharon's office, not inside Israel's Mossad intelligence service, because the Mossad--which prides itself on extreme professionalism--had views closer to the CIA's, not the Pentagon's, on Iraq. This secretive unit, and not the Mossad, may well have been the source of the forged documents purporting to show that Iraq tried to purchase yellowcake uranium for weapons from Niger in West Africa, according to the former official.

http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml%3Fi=20030707&s=dreyf...
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 10:08 PM
Response to Reply #127
135. I'm starting to wonder...
Edited on Fri Aug-27-04 10:09 PM by Hell Hath No Fury
who the heck needs spies or a "mole" when you have agency twins??? Is this spy story just the first step to the bigger fish or is someone trying to let the small fry take the fall?
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 07:36 PM
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11. Don't forget the fascinating Israeli "moving van" stories
Edited on Fri Aug-27-04 07:39 PM by Joanne98
We spoke earlier about the five celebrating Israeli "movers", (Mossad agents), who were arrested and placed in solitary confinement for weeks after they were spotted in a white van suspected of attempting to blow up the George Washington Bridge. We also reviewed how the Israeli owner of Urban Moving Systems - Dominick Suter - then suddenly abandoned his moving company and fled for Israel on 9-14. But there were still more Israeli "movers" and other Israelis whose actions raise serious suspicions. Even more suspicious is how they are always quietly released and deported.
In October of 2001, three more Israeli "movers" were stopped in Plymouth, PA because of their suspicious behavior. These "movers" were seen dumping furniture near a restaurant dumpster! When the restaurant manager approached the driver, a "Middle Eastern" man later identified as Moshe Elmakias fled the scene. The manager made note of the truck's sign which read "Moving Systems Incorporated" and called the police. When the police spotted the truck, two other Israelis - Ayelet Reisler and Ron Katar began acting suspiciously. The Plymouth police searched the truck and found a video. The Israelis were taken into custody and the video tape was played at the police station. The video revealed footage of Chicago with zoomed in shots of the Sears Tower. The police quickly alerted the FBI and it was also discovered that the Israelis had falsified travel logs and phony paperwork on them. (1) They were also unable to provide a name and telephone number for the customer that they claimed to have been working for. These Israelis were up to some sort of dirty business, and you can be sure it had nothing to do with moving furniture. These Israeli spies may have had a dark sense of humor. The name of their moving company actually contained the word MOSSAD embedded inside. Moving Systems Incorporated MOving SyStems IncorporAteD.MOSSAD

On October 10, 2001, CNN made a brief mention of a foiled terrorist bomb plot in the Mexican Parliament building. They promised to bring any further developments of this story to their viewers, but the incident was never heard of again in America. But the story appeared in bold headlines on the front page of the major Mexican newspapers (2) and was also posted on the official website of the Mexican Justice Department. (3) Two terror suspects were apprehended in the Mexican Chamber of Deputies. Caught red-handed, they had in their possession a high powered gun, nine hand grenades, and C-4 plastic explosives (great stuff for demolishing buildings!) Within days, this blockbuster story not only disappeared from the Mexican press, but the Israelis were quietly released and deported! The two terrorists were Salvador Gerson Sunke and Sar ben Zui. Can you guess what their ethnicity was? Sunke was a Mexican jew and Zui was a colonel with the Israeli special forces (MOSSAD). (4)

The story in El Diario de Mexico went on to reveal that the Zionist terrorists had fake Pakistani passports on them. Can you say "false flag operation?" The probable motive of this particular botched terrorist operation was to involve oil rich Mexico in the "War on Terrorism". (The War on Israel's enemies would be a more accurate description). Mexico is no military power, but the psychological trauma of an "Arab" attack on Mexico would surely have induced Mexico to provide unlimited cheap oil to her American "protector". With cheap oil flowing to America at low prices from Mexico, the US could better afford to break off relations with the oil rich Arab states in general and Saudi Arabia in particular. Thats why the planners chose 15 Saudi identities to steal for the 9-11 operation.


http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hundreds.html

there's more of these and more recent ones. i don't know if they are important. i just think their really wierd.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 07:48 PM
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28. And the Israeli...
Edited on Fri Aug-27-04 07:52 PM by Hell Hath No Fury
"art students" who were surfacing all over the place pre-9/11.

I'll try to dig up a link.

Found it at Salon:


http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2002/05/07/students/index_np.html

The Israeli "art student" mystery
For almost two years, hundreds of young Israelis falsely claiming to be art students haunted federal offices -- in particular, the DEA. No one knows why -- and no one seems to want to find out.

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By Christopher Ketcham

May 7, 2002 | In January 2001, the security branch of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency began to receive a number of peculiar reports from DEA field offices across the country. According to the reports, young Israelis claiming to be art students and offering artwork for sale had been attempting to penetrate DEA offices for over a year. The Israelis had also attempted to penetrate the offices of other law enforcement and Department of Defense agencies. Strangest of all, the "students" had visited the homes of numerous DEA officers and other senior federal officials.

As a pattern slowly emerged, the DEA appeared to have been targeted in what it called an "organized intelligence gathering activity." But to what end, and for whom, no one knew.

Reports of the mysterious Israelis with an inexplicable interest in peddling art to G-men came in from more than 40 U.S. cities and continued throughout the first six months of 2001. Agents of the DEA, ATF, Air Force, Secret Service, FBI, and U.S. Marshals Service documented some 130 separate incidents of "art student" encounters. Some of the Israelis were observed diagramming the inside of federal buildings. Some were found carrying photographs they had taken of federal agents. One was discovered with a computer printout in his luggage that referred to "DEA groups."

In some cases, the Israelis visited locations not known to the public -- areas without street addresses, for example, or DEA offices not identified as such -- leading authorities to suspect that information had been gathered from prior surveillance or perhaps electronically, from credit cards and other sources. One Israeli was discovered holding banking receipts for substantial sums of money, close to $180,000 in withdrawals and deposits over a two-month period. A number of the Israelis resided for a period of time in Hollywood, Fla. -- the small city where Mohammed Atta and three terrorist comrades lived for a time before Sept. 11.




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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 07:53 PM
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32. Iread an article about Israeli 'movers" being busted some where in
Arizona a few months ago. they were questioned an let go. Wierd stuff in their truck. i can't remember.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:16 PM
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51. AIPAC is a big sponsor
of Israeli students who come to the US. It is one of their main missions.

http://www.aipac.org/






CFI members (left to right) Rebecca Delfiner, Adam Weissmann, Josh Vizer, and George Anesi at the AIPAC Winter Saban National Leadership Training Seminar in Washinton D.C.





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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 09:27 PM
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108. Remember the thunderous response Bush received from AIPAC
Earlier this year. If I remember correctly, they were shouting "Four More Years." One of those things that just make me want to :puke: when I hear it.
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 09:40 PM
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115. Some of this may point to the Israeli Mafiya instead of Mossad
The art students' interest in DEA could be connected with the Mafiya's control of the Ecstasy trade. Similarly, the numerous stories about crooked Israeli movers in the US scamming little old ladies out of their life's savings point to organized crime, not spying. And many of these mafiosi (most of whom originally came from the former Soviet Union) maintain joint US/Israeli citizenship, which makes it easy for them to skip out when things get too hot here.

On the other hand, the Mafiya has many tentacles in the Likud Party and Sharon's government, and there is every reason to suspect that Mossad and the Mafiya work together just like the CIA and the Mob.

Some of the connections get stranger yet. Nick Berg's mysterious Iraqi partner, Aziz al-Taee, got in trouble in the early 90's over his involvement with a Mafiya operation to manufacture crack vials. I'm still scratching my head over that one.

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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 07:58 PM
Response to Reply #11
37. So Israelis are plotting to blow up America?
Just summing up.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:02 PM
Response to Reply #11
41. So....
What you, Joanne, and Hellhathnofury, have compiled leads me to these ideas.

All this time Sharon, (Israeli PM) had a mole in the pentagon. This mole had top clearance all the way to the Oval office, and his feeds from Sharon were used by the Oval office on down to Rumsfeld as the battle plans for waging the Iraqi invasion.

Makes one wonder if this person also had a hand in 9/11. Anyway...

Who was it that leaked this story of the FBI investigation? Who handed it to CBS? Was it a pre-emptive leak to keep the investigation from going further or was it just something that finally leaked of it's own velocity? Once that question gets answered, we may get closer to what the spy was really up too.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:25 PM
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59. Honestly..
I don't even think it's a case of a full on "mole" -- the connections between the OSP, the DPB, the PNAC and Sharon/Likkud are deep and very above board. There's simply no NEED for a real mole.

I have long said that Iraq was a US/Israel win-win operation designed to provide security for Israel and oil access/global positioning for the US.


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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:53 PM
Original message
I'd have to agree
Mole was not the correct term. But amongst the pentagon players, the spy's real role could not be well known. So while sanctioned by Rumsfeld, et al, the spy would have to appear to others as above board and not connected to Sharon/Israel in any way.

I also agree with your idea that Iraq was in large part a 'make security for Israel' operation. Do you agree that it was a setup to slide in under the Mossad radar?
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Bernardo de La Paz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 07:36 PM
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12. Good idea, but DU software is not helpful.
DU software is great: it has created and supported a vibrant dynamic community.

However, it is more like a chat room than a thoughtful blog at times. People can't search easily (unless they pay, I know, good idea). So threads get started all over the place. It does have some thoughtful bloggish aspects: some threads get large.

I think the easiest way to make the smallest change here would be to have a "room" where mods have collected pointers to long running threads which have good material.

Another change, not too hard to implement (not too disruptive to the software) would be to have parallel threads owned by the thread starter where they can copy posts from the original thread. They would only be able to copy in what was posted to their original thread.
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troublemaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 07:37 PM
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13. Works in Doug Feifth's office (MSNBC)
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Dudley_DUright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 07:40 PM
Response to Reply #13
17. More on this
The Associated Press, quoting two federal law enforcement officials, reported that the person works in the office of Douglas J. Feith, the undersecretary of defense for policy. Feith is a key aide to Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, working on sensitive policy issues, including U.S. policy toward Iraq and Iran.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5844415/
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Bernardo de La Paz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 09:09 PM
Response to Reply #13
93. Feith-based invading . . . . . . nt
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matcom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 07:37 PM
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14. KEEP IT COMING EVERYONE
THIS IS 100% MAJOR IMPORTANT

THANK YOU!!!
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Carni Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 09:56 PM
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130. HELLO?? KNOCK KNOCK THESE Feith underlings went to ROME
Is anyone freaking reading this?

Douglas Feith presided over a secretive intelligence unit that was briefed by Iraqi exile leader Ahmad Chalabi and sifted through CIA intelligence looking for evidence of Iraq's weapons of mass destruction and connections between Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda.
His underlings Harold Rhode and Larry Franklin jetted off to Rome in December 2001 for secret meetings with Iran-Contra figures Michael Ledeen and Manucher Ghorbanifar.

I am sorry to be pissy...but when you people get on a roll there is just no way to get your attention!
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 10:14 PM
Response to Reply #130
143. AHA
Isn't Rome where the forged Niger documents came from. Good catch. :)
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My Pet Goat Donating Member (268 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 07:39 PM
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16. Feith's organizational chart
Feith's organizational chart (from RonK at Dailykos)

http://www.defenselink.mil/policy/policy_org_chart.html

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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 07:41 PM
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19. Dr Philip Zack and the anthrax letters?
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/anthraxsuspect.html

links:

THE HIDDEN ANTHRAX LETTERS SUSPECT
The FBI knows of a man who was caught entering the lab where the Anthrax used in the letters was kept, after he had been fired for a racially motivated attack on a co-worker. So, why is the FBI wasting its time with Steven Hatfill?
------------------------------------------------------------------------
News Story identifying Dr. Philip Zack as the man caught entering the Anthrax storage area at Fort Detrick without authorization.

In this story, it is reported that Dr. Zack was caught on a security tape making an unauthorized entry into the Anthrax storage area.

Foreign press picks up story that Anthrax letters were sent by American bio-war scientist ... and that the FBI is dragging its feet on the case.

FBI'S PRIME SUSPECT ON ANTHRAX LETTERS IS JEWISH! No wonder they were dragging their feet.

Salon's story of the attempt to frame Dr. Ayaad Assaad, an Egyptian, for the Anthrax letters
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:02 PM
Response to Reply #19
42. The FBI is reluctant to arrest Jews?
I must have a seance and inform my dead grandfather.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 09:32 PM
Response to Reply #42
110. Aquart. Yes. Rosenberg redux.
I'm noticing the sensitivity. Extraordinary isn't it.
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unslinkychild1 Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:06 PM
Response to Reply #19
47. How
is Zack linked to the neocons? I must have missed that one in my study of tinhattery. Yes, I know who he is and he's highly suspect for anthrax, but how's he connect in the bigger picture?
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TrustingDog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:16 PM
Response to Reply #47
50. I have no idea - but my olfactory is working o/t on this one.
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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 09:35 PM
Response to Reply #47
113. Unslinky.
You just dont get it.

" but how's he connect in the bigger picture"

he's Jewish isn't he. So he's in the big picture. That's all it takes. Chapter 9 in Mein Kamph
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PA Democrat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 07:41 PM
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20. Check the transcript for Countdown on MSNBC when they put it up
Here is the link. You will want to hear Larry Johnson's interview. He made some pretty damning remarks based upon what his sources have told him.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3719710/
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WoodrowFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 07:44 PM
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21. not tinfoil
every country spies on every other county they can. that's life. It's always been that way, it will always be that way.

Captain Renault : I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!

Croupier : Your winnings, sir.
Captain Renault : Oh, thank you very much.

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iconoclastic cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 07:46 PM
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26. Okay, I may not understand all of this,
but could someone tell me why a spy in the Pentagon is bad for Bush? If anything, wouldn't a spy just be a blameless thing? I'm confused.
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Pale_Rider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 07:46 PM
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27. WhatReallyHappened has a ton of stuff ...
Edited on Fri Aug-27-04 07:49 PM by white_rider
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 07:49 PM
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30. Doug Feith
Edited on Fri Aug-27-04 07:50 PM by Joanne98
Douglas Jay Feith, cohort to Richard N. Perle, is considered to be a "neo-con" (neo-conservative).

Feith currently serves as the Undersecretary of Defense for Policy, the third ranking civilian position at the Pentagon. Formerly, he served on the White House National Security staff during Ronald Reagan's first term in office. Richard Allen was Feith's boss at that time. During Reagan's second term in office, Feith was part of Richard Perle's Pentagon team.

It is related that in 1989, Feith registered International Advisors, Inc. (IAI) as a foreign agent that would represent the government of Turkey. Official documents state that one purpose of IAI's work would be to "promote the objective of U.S.-Turkey defense industrial cooperation." The IAI was described in both the United States and Turkey as the brainchild of Richard N. Perle.

However, one report states that official documents filed with the U.S. Department of Justice, Criminal Division, Foreign Agents Registration Unit, show Douglas Feith as not only the CEO of IAI but also its only stockholder. Moreover, reports filed by IAI seminannually during 1989-1994 show Perle as the single highest paid consultant to the group ($48,000 per year). Feith earned $60,000 per year and his law firm, Feith and Zell, was the recipient from IAI of hundreds of thousands of dollars.

In 1992, Feith joined with Perle and other neo-cons opposing President George H.W. Bush's stern policy on Israel in forming the Committee on U.S. Interests in the Middle East.

http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Douglas_Feith

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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 07:56 PM
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35. CONCENTRATE ON FEITH
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:30 PM
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64. Remember that article that was in the Weekly Standard?
Edited on Fri Aug-27-04 08:33 PM by alcuno
FAUX pounced all over it. It was based on some paper that Feith wrote post-invasion linking al Qaeda and Saddam.

http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/378fmxyz.asp

Anyway, someone said that the investigation could also have something to do with going to war with Iraq.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:50 PM
Response to Reply #35
78. a suggestion:
Concentrate on Feith, but take a few moments to study David Wurmser. Look at him and John Hannah to make the connection to Plame. (see post #66) I think you will find this a helpful avenue for consideration.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:57 PM
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87. Wurmser worked for John Bolton
"The neoconservatives who have taken us down this path are actually very few in number. It is a small pack of zealots whose dedication has spanned decades, and that through years of selective recruitment has become a government cult with cells in most of the national security system. Among those cells are the secretive Office of Special Plans in the Department of defense (reportedly now disbanded) and a similar operation in the State Department that is managed in the office of Under Secretary for Disarmament John Bolton." Wilson, page 432.
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lostnfound Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 10:09 PM
Response to Reply #35
137. Feith was fired for possibly leaking to Israel in 1972,
according to http://www.counterpunch.org/green02282004.html">this Counterpunch article from February.

The story has stuff on Michael Ledeen, Richard Perle, and Wolfowitz.

"A total of nine NSC staff members were fired, including Feith, who'd only been with the NSC for a year. But Feith was fired because he'd been the object of an inquiry into whether he'd provided classified material to an official of the Israeli Embassy in Washington."


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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:00 PM
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40. The Saudis have something to say...... Feith and Zell Law Firm
Edited on Fri Aug-27-04 08:01 PM by Joanne98
Zell had for many years been Feith's partner in their Washington-Tel Aviv law firm, Feith and Zell (FANDZ). FANDZ had been set up when Feith left government to pursue the work of a "foreign agent" representing Turkey and some Israeli interests.

Following the Baghdad opening of the IILG, Zell soon opened, in the U.S., an office for Zell, Goldberg & Co., which promises to assist "American companies in their relations with the U.S. government in connection with Iraq's reconstruction projects." It is interesting to note that Zell, Goldberg still uses the website FANDZ, the site of the old Feith and Zell firm. So when Zell boasts his connections to government, businesses know exactly what is meant.

In the relatively short period of time since the fall of the Ba`ath Party regime, IILG and Zell, Goldberg have facilitated contracts in the tens, possibly hundreds of millions of dollars.

http://www.saudia-online.com/zogbi/2004/zogbi2.shtml
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unslinkychild1 Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 09:17 PM
Response to Reply #40
97. Is that the law firm
Salem Chalabi worked/s for? The one that was involved in securing contracts in Iraq? It still seems to all point back to Chalabi no matter HOW you slice and dice it. This is so fucked for them. I have been laffing my ass off ALL day. First this, then the Lt. Gov from Texas, THEN the riots in Athens. This misadministration hasn't got a CHANCE now. And who knows WHAT the Kerry camp will dredge up on the resident in days to come. Talk about a three-sided snitch-slap, all within MINUTES (at least to me it was--1, 2, 3 :nuke: ). I so love this.
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 07:57 PM
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36. Key players to watch:
The Wurmers.

A Netanyahu fixer, married to an American Enterprise Institute fellow and assistant to Undersecretary of State for Unspeakables John Bolton.

And Julian Borger's 2003 article here is worth revisiting.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:16 PM
Response to Reply #36
49. OOH Mrs Wurmser sounds interesting
Mrs Wurmser was among a group of neo-conservatives who wrote a report intended as advice for the then incoming Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in 1996.

Pentagon

The report, called "Rebuilding Zionism" called for a clean break with the Middle East peace process and talked about "rolling back Syria".

It also spoke about removing Saddam Hussein from power.

Other signatories of that report included Richard Perle, David Wurmser and Douglas Feith - who is now number three at the Pentagon.

I wonder what the paper "Rebuilding Zionism" was about?
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:20 PM
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53. "Operation Clean Break" (link to paper)
A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm
http://www.israeleconomy.org/strat1.htm

Signed by:

Richard Perle, American Enterprise Institute, Study Group Leader
James Colbert, Jewish Institute for National Security Affairs
Charles Fairbanks, Jr., Johns Hopkins University/SAIS
Douglas Feith, Feith and Zell Associates
Robert Loewenberg, President, Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies
Jonathan Torop, The Washington Institute for Near East Policy
David Wurmser, Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies
Meyrav Wurmser, Johns Hopkins University
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:21 PM
Response to Reply #49
55. "Rebuilding Zionism" co author Doug Feith
Edited on Fri Aug-27-04 08:24 PM by Joanne98
A Clean Break:
A New Strategy for Securing the Realm


Following is a report prepared by The Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies "Study Group on a New Israeli Strategy Toward 2000." The main substantive ideas in this paper emerge from a discussion in which prominent opinion makers, including Richard Perle, James Colbert, Charles Fairbanks, Jr., Douglas Feith, Robert Loewenberg, David Wurmser, and Meyrav Wurmser participated. The report, entitled "A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm," is the framework for a series of follow-up reports on strategy.

Israel has a large problem. Labor Zionism, which for 70 years has dominated the Zionist movement, has generated a stalled and shackled economy. Efforts to salvage Israels socialist institutionswhich include pursuing supranational over national sovereignty and pursuing a peace process that embraces the slogan, "New Middle East"undermine the legitimacy of the nation and lead Israel into strategic paralysis and the previous governments "peace process." That peace process obscured the evidence of eroding national critical mass including a palpable sense of national exhaustionand forfeited strategic initiative. The loss of national critical mass was illustrated best by Israels efforts to draw in the United States to sell unpopular policies domestically, to agree to negotiate sovereignty over its capital, and to respond with resignation to a spate of terror so intense and tragic that it deterred Israelis from engaging in normal daily functions, such as commuting to work in buses.

Benjamin Netanyahus government comes in with a new set of ideas. While there are those who will counsel continuity, Israel has the opportunity to make a clean break; it can forge a peace process and strategy based on an entirely new intellectual foundation, one that restores strategic initiative and provides the nation the room to engage every possible energy on rebuilding Zionism, the starting point of which must be economic reform. To secure the nations streets and borders in the immediate future, Israel can:


Work closely with Turkey and Jordan to contain, destabilize, and roll-back some of its most dangerous threats. This implies clean break from the slogan, "comprehensive peace" to a traditional concept of strategy based on balance of power.

http://www.israeleconomy.org/strat1.htm
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unslinkychild1 Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 09:26 PM
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106. AHA
There's the connect with Sibel Edmonds. I always wondered how Turkey connected with neocons and Isreal.

Hats off for this find.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:33 PM
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66. re: David Wurmser
"John Hannah and David Wurmser, mid-level political appointees in the vice president's office, have both been suggested as the source of the leaks. I don't know either, though at the time of the leak, Wurmser, a prominent neoconservative, was working as a special assistant to John Bolton at the State Department." page 445 from Wilson's book
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 10:20 PM
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146. Hannah's now said to have turned state's evidence against Libby
But Wurmser's apparently a figure of interest as well:

GRAND JURY WILL SOON ISSUE EXPLOSIVE INDICTMENTS
by Wayne Madsen

http://www.copvcia.com/free/ww3/062504_grand_jury.shtml

The special prosecutor has been focusing on Bush, Cheney, presidential counselor Karl Rove, Cheney's chief of staff Lewis I. ("Scooter") Libby, Cheney assistants David Wurmser and John Hannah, and National Security Council officials Elliott Abrams and Stephen Hadley.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:56 PM
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86. Namebase.org Wurmser David
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:58 PM
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89. Namebase.org Wurmser Meyrav
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 09:12 PM
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94. Good ol Aljazzerra "The Jerusalem Summit"
Edited on Fri Aug-27-04 09:13 PM by Joanne98

August 1, 2004



A recent Zionist 'Think Tank' summit meeting of the planners of a new Zionist World Order, was held in June, at the historic King David Hotel, in Jerusalem.



The following reports were sent to Ghulam Muhammed by Richard Melson, a Jewish activist who apparently feels that the Muslim world should be kept informed.







OUTSOURCING OF AMERICAN FOREIGN POLICY TO ISRAEL AND THE NEO-CONSERVATIVES: THE JERUSALEM SUMMITS







October 12-14, 2003, saw the first annual JERUSALEM SUMMIT.



These summits, pushed by Richard Perle and the Israeli government, serve as an offshore think tank whose aim is to control American foreign policy worldwide and particularly in the Middle East. The main purpose of these summits is to bring into being a clash of civilizations, a global civil war between America-led-by-Israel against the Moslem and Arab worlds, to kill the idea of a Palestinian state and force the Palestinians out of the terrritories by completing Sharons Wall and then squeezing the Palestinians out.

http://www.aljazeerah.info/Opinion%20editorials/2004%20opinions/August/1%20o/The%20New%20'Zionist%20World%20Order'%20First%20Summit%20Held%20in%20Jerusalem%20Names,%20Topics,%20Plans.htm





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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 09:24 PM
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104. SOMEBODY'S GOT TO TALK TO THIS GUY
Edited on Fri Aug-27-04 09:24 PM by Joanne98
From Richard Melson, USA

September 21, 2003

Topic: "The Israelization of Washington Policy": Neo-Con Mechanisms



One of the main Israel-to-Washington "think tanks" is the Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies, Jerusalem (IASPS).

IASPS has very strong ties to Richard Perle and Douglas Feith and the Washington branch office is a major neo-con hub today.

This IASPS cooperated with Perle and Feith on the "A Clean Break" document that was published with IASPS in 1996 and became the basis for the Bush Iraq War in 2003.

If you read the following IASPS mission statement below, you will see mention of this quite clearlyE have emboldened the relevant paragraphs:



The Institutes Mission EApparent and Actual in a Nutshell

The apparent aim of IASPS is to develop strategic and allied policies dedicated to maintaining the existence of Israel.

But this conflicts with the main policies of Israel Eall founded in socialism. Israel and Jews are anti-capitalist and anti-nationalist Ein principle but also in historical experience.

Whether it is the principle against national existence or creating the factors that incapacitate nations, Jewish history is the history of a non-national people.

This guy is a Jew who is trying to save Israel from the neo-cons. He's in the Israeli peace movement. He's been giving Aljazeera information for their articles. i bet he knows all kinds of shit.

http://www.ourquran.com/melson/melson2.htm
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:59 PM
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91. Thanks, Joanne!
That's important.
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mr_hat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 09:53 PM
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125. She has a husband named Dean Wurmser.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 10:21 PM
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148. Who's David then?
Dean isn't showing up anywhere. Are you sure?
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 07:59 PM
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38. Adding madfloridian's thread
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Cush Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:03 PM
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43. MSNBC is talking about Feith
Edited on Fri Aug-27-04 08:05 PM by Cush
on right now

Investigation has been going on for a year / year and a half
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remfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:04 PM
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44. Josh Marshall on the forgeries
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:05 PM
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45. Namebase.org FEITH
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:53 PM
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83. Check this out...
Edited on Fri Aug-27-04 08:55 PM by Gman
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:06 PM
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46. From MSNBC correspondent
The Pentagon was only notified about this a few days ago. The investigation has been going on over a year and a half.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:11 PM
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48. Feith...
and the Defense Policy Board under his office. It's LaRouche, but I found it interesting:

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2002/2933what_is_dpb.html

According to its charter, the Defense Policy Board (full nameDefense Policy Board Advisory Committee) "will serve the public interest by providing the Secretary of Defense (Rumsfeld), Deputy Secretary (Wolfowitz), and Under Secretary for Policy (Feith) with independent, informed advice and opinion concerning major matters of defense policy." The sole function is "advisory" and its members, limited to "approximately 30" serve without compensation. But in this organizational chart, "location" is everything, and Doug Feith is the strategically located linchpin.

According to the charter, Feith selects the members of the DPB, including Chairman Perle, with Rumsfeld's approval. Feith is the "Official to Whom the Committee Reports." Feith is also the head of the "Agency Responsible for Providing the Necessary Support" for the DPB. Feith also calls the shots on when the Board should meet"quarterly or as required by the Under Secretary for Policy." Feith also controls the budget, selects the "2.2 man-years" of permanent staff, and pays expenses.

Feith briefs the Deputy Secretary of Defense (Wolfowitz), the second highest position in the Pentagon, on the scenarios. Importantly none of the members of DPB are paid, so they are deliberately deployed by the Perle/Feith/Wolfowitz troika around the world, planting op-eds, holding conferences, such as the Hudson Institute conference on June 18 in Washington, D.C. where the policy of breaking up Saudi Arabia was first fully laid out.

http://rightweb.irc-online.org/govt/dpb.php
Right Web connections

Ken Adelman, member
Richard V. Allen, member
Martin Anderson, member
Gary Becker, member
Eliot Cohen, member
Devon Gaffney Cross, member
Ronald Fogleman, member
Newt Gingrich, member
Charles Horner, member
Fred C. Ikle, member
David Jeremiah, member
Henry Kissinger, member
Laurent Murawiec, invited speaker
Richard Perle, member/former chair
Henry S. Rowen, member
James Schlesinger, member
Jack Sheehan, member
Ruth Wedgwood, member
Chris Williams, member
Pete Wilson, member
James Woolsey, member
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:19 PM
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52. Douglas Feith
Edited on Fri Aug-27-04 08:21 PM by DoYouEverWonder


http://rightweb.irc-online.org/ind/feith/feith.php

As the current undersecretary of defense for policy, Feith is the third ranking civilian in the Pentagon, behind Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Deputy Secretary Paul Wolfowitz. Many observers see Feith?s job in jeopardy if the administration?s strategy in Iraq continues to fall apart. According to Washington Post columnist Al Kamen (?In the Loop,? July 9, 2003), Stephen J. Hadley--National Security Adviser Condoleezza Rice?s right-hand man in the National Security Council--was rumored to be slated as Feith?s replacement. (This was before Hadley became the fall guy in the Niger-Iraq uranium scandal).

A vocal advocate of U.S. intervention in the Middle East, Feith has been involved in or overseen the activities of two controversial Pentagon operations --the Defense Policy Board, whose former head Richard Perle resigned after concerns arose about conflicts of interest between his board duties and business dealings, and the Office of Special Plans, which allegedly misrepresented intelligence on Iraq to support administration policies.

Wrote journalist Jim Lobe: ?The Office of Special Plans (OSP), which worked alongside the Near East and South Asia (NESA) bureau in Feith's domain, was originally created by Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld and Deputy Secretary Paul Wolfowitz to review raw information collected by the official U.S. intelligence agencies for connections between Iraqi President Saddam Hussein and al-Qaeda. Retired intelligence officials from the State Department, the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), and the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) have long charged that the two offices exaggerated and manipulated intelligence about Iraq before passing it along to the White House. But key personnel who worked in both NESA and OSP were part of a broader network of neo-conservative ideologues and activists who worked with other Bush political appointees scattered around the national-security bureaucracy to move the country to war, according to retired Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, who was assigned to NESA from May 2002 through February 2003.

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Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski

Was she the whistle blower?






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Murdock Donating Member (315 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:20 PM
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54. Feith's Organization


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finecraft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:22 PM
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56. Remember the Israeli art students
http://atlanta.creativeloafing.com/2002-03-20/fishwrapper.html

(snip) The absence of reporting hasn't gone unnoticed. The authoritative British intelligence and military analysis service, Jane's Information Group, on March 13 chided: "It is rather strange that the U.S. media ... seem to be ignoring what may well prove to be the most explosive story since the 11 September attack, the alleged breakup of a major Israeli espionage operation in the United States which aimed to infiltrate both the Justice and Defense departments and which may also have been tracking al-Qaida terrorists before the aircraft hijackings took place."

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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 09:48 PM
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122. Yes - also covered in Salon
Are we about to achieve a unified theory here?

http://archive.salon.com/news/feature/2002/05/07/students/

The Israeli "art student" mystery
For almost two years, hundreds of young Israelis falsely claiming to be art students haunted federal offices -- in particular, the DEA. No one knows why -- and no one seems to want to find out.

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By Christopher Ketcham

printe-mail

May 7, 2002 | In January 2001, the security branch of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Agency began to receive a number of peculiar reports from DEA field offices across the country. According to the reports, young Israelis claiming to be art students and offering artwork for sale had been attempting to penetrate DEA offices for over a year. The Israelis had also attempted to penetrate the offices of other law enforcement and Department of Defense agencies. Strangest of all, the "students" had visited the homes of numerous DEA officers and other senior federal officials.

<snip>

The "art students" followed a predictable modus operandi. They generally worked in teams, typically consisting of a driver, who was the team leader, and three or four subordinates. The driver would drop the "salespeople" off at a given location and return to pick them up some hours later. The "salespeople" entered offices or approached agents in their offices or homes. Sometimes they pitched their artwork -- landscapes, abstract works, homemade pins and other items they carried about in portfolios. At other times, they simply attempted to engage agents in conversation. If asked about their studies, they generally said they were from the Bezalel Academy of Arts and Design in Jerusalem or the University of Jerusalem (which does not exist). They were described as "aggressive" in their sales pitch and "evasive" when questioned by wary agents. The females among them were invariably described as "very attractive" -- "blondes in tight shorts or jeans, real lookers," as one DEA agent put it to Salon. "They were flirty, flipping the hair, looking at you, smiling. 'Hey, how are you? Let me show you this.' Everything a woman would do if she wanted to get something out of you." Some agents noted that the "students" made repeated attempts to avoid facility security personnel by trying to enter federal buildings through back doors and side entrances. On several occasions, suspicious agents who had been visited at home observed the Israelis after the "students" departed and noted that they did not approach any of the neighbors.

The document detailing most of this information was an internal DEA memo: a 60-page report drawn up in June 2001 by the DEA's Office of Security Programs. The document was meant only for the eyes of senior officials at the Justice Department (of which the DEA is adjunct), but it was leaked to the press as early as December 2001 and by mid-March had been made widely available to the public.

On the face of it, this was a blockbuster tale, albeit a bizarre and cryptic one, full of indeterminate leads and fascinating implications and ambiguous answers: "Like a good Clancy novel," as one observer put it. Was it espionage? Drug dealing? An intelligence game? The worlds wackiest door-to-door hustle? Yet the mainstream media has almost entirely ignored the allegations or accepted official "explanations" that explain nothing. Even before the DEA memo was leaked, however, some reporters had begun sniffing around the remarkable story.
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TSIDTPIG Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:23 PM
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57. Does this compare to the China spygate a few years ago?
Same outcome or better?
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:26 PM
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60. This is much worse than that
In previous spy scandals, such as the Chinese one, Hansen's and also Pollard's, the spy was simply able to steal and pass on classified information.

In this case, the spy, or more accurately a mole, was apparently able to get involved in the policy making itself on Iraq and Iran at the highest levels. If you also consider Chalabi's purported spying for Iran, that makes TWO spies/moles who were actually involved in the policy discussions leading up to the invasion of Iraq.

That's much worse.


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Pallas180 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 10:14 PM
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142. Yeah, but Chalabi has the protection of Rumsfeld & Sleeza and nothing
has happened to him, no charges as far as the US is concerned..
just charges by Iraq government for forgery.

I suspect the CIA was frustrated by the Pentagon, DoD blocking for
Chalabi and that's how the Iraqi govt. was informed of his penchant
for counterfeiting Iraqi money.

Perhaps the same thing is happening in the instant case of the "mole".
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:24 PM
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58. A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm
http://www.israeleconomy.org/strat1.htm

Richard Perle, James Colbert, Charles Fairbanks, Jr., Douglas Feith, Robert Loewenberg, David Wurmser, and Meyrav Wurmser


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Snazzy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:30 PM
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63. Check out Maloof and Wurmser--NYT graphic


OSP wasn't analysts, but these guy were.

Maloof lost his security clearance more than once. He was also said to be a Juidth Miller source (and that may go way back--like the Wen Ho Lee thing too).

Wurmser is heavily connected with AIPAC.
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bobbyboucher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:32 PM
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65. You gotta believe Kerry knew this was ongoing.
Do you think he knew this would wash the whole Swiftass thing away so he just let it spin?

He has to know everything about this. Especially if it is what it appears to be, a big salvo in the war between Bushco and CIA/State.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:41 PM
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69. Back in the primaries I kept stressing the CIA guys were lining up behind
Kerry. That there would be an epic confrontation between the Bush loyalists (BFEE) and the intel loyal to this nation. All the signs were there from Rand Beers, Joe Wilson, William Perry and Gary Hart, and others. They knew that Kerry handled BCCI and IranContra and could be trusted with the heaviest information and could stay cool under fire.

This is it.

Some of you may have thought I was a jerk, but, I was a persevering for a specific goal.

We are about to witness history.

I, for one, am feeling a sense of awe and look forward to what the next few months has in store.
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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:44 PM
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70. BLM, I'm Kind Of Freaking Out.. Not Looking Forward To What's Coming
down the pike.

Cause the reptiles don't give a shit about us.

Their only motive is self preservation.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:56 PM
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85. Don't. There are more good guys than BFEE. BFEE can't survive when it's
exposed.

Even if the Bushies do try something lethal, no way will they get away with it.

The guys on our side know too much and are prepared to move.
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bobbyboucher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:46 PM
Response to Reply #69
73. I hope you're right.
I kinda thought something had to give. Maybe it was hope, but
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 09:14 PM
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95. But all CIA people can do is feed/leak info
the rest is up to someone else to do something with it, like the media, for one.
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 09:18 PM
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100. They can do much more than that.
Hell, they can become a small army if necessary. But, I don't think it will get that far. BushInc can't survive being exposed.

The public is already too wary of their cronyism and aggressive judgements. I think they'll fold because they are basic cowards who can only operate under the cover of secrecy.
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 09:21 PM
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103. Yes, yes......
This has to do with unfinished business from Iran-Contra even more than unfinished business from Vietnam. You are right on target.

It will be interesting.
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DoYouEverWonder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:48 PM
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76. Joe Wilson has been helping the Kerry campaign
This info was uncovered by the Plame Investigation.

Kerry had to have the inside scoop.

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SayitAintSo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:53 PM
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82. Where is Wilson on this ?
And will this help rehabilitate his rep from the smear that was heaped on him weeks back? .... seems like he has been underground lately... ,maybe waiting on the investigation to conclude...
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:37 PM
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67. Randy Scheunemann "Committee for the Liberation of Iraq"
Edited on Fri Aug-27-04 08:38 PM by Joanne98
The Committee for the Liberation of Iraq bills itself as an NGO comprised of a "distinguished group of Americans" who want to bomb Saddam Hussein out of existence. Of course, NGO is a misnomer for this particular organization because its advisory board is stacked with former government types, including George Shultz. The president of the Committee is Randy Scheunemann, Trent Lott's former chief national-security adviser. Last year Scheunemann worked for Donald Rumsfeld as a consultant on Iraq policy. The Committee chairman is Bruce P. Jackson, the former vice president of the mega-defense contractor Lockheed Martin. Jackson chaired the Republican Party Platform's subcommittee for National Security and Foreign Policy when Bush ran for president in 2000. Jackson was also big on expanding the role of NATO -- think of all the new weapons that will be required -- and headed up a campaign to get Congress to ratify NATO's eastward expansion. Other NGO types include former Senator Bob Kerrey and former "Drug Czar" Barry McCaffrey. You may remember McCaffrey. As a two-star general and Gulf War "hero," McCaffrey ordered the massacre of hundreds of retreating soldiers and civilians on the Basra road from Kuwait to southern Iraq.

On November 15 US Newswire released a Committee press release. "The Committee was formed to promote regional peace, political freedom and international security through replacement of the Saddam Hussein regime with a democratic government that respects the rights of the Iraqi people and ceases to threaten the community of nations."

The Committee press release, however, mentions absolutely nothing about how these objectives will be achieved. But then, considering who is involved with the Committee, we don't need much of an explanation -- in essence, the Committee is a PR front for the Bush attack Iraq policy currently under way full steam ahead. The Committee is little more than an extension of the Project for a New American Century (PNAC), an "educational" organization packed with neocons such as William Kristol and Robert Kagan. PNAC, according to its web page, is "dedicated to a few fundamental propositions: that American leadership is good both for America and for the world; that such leadership requires military strength, diplomatic energy and commitment to moral principle." In other words, Pax Americana installed unilaterally by way of bunker-buster and cluster bomb diplomacy. Lest you think PNAC and the Committee are not joined at the hip, consider who agreed to be an officer of this new (non) NGO -- Gary Schmitt, PNAC's executive director.

The devil is in the details. One such detail concerns retired four star General Wayne Downing, an erstwhile lobbyist for the Iraqi National Congress (INC), the CIA bankrolled "opposition" to Saddam Hussein. It is estimated the CIA forked out between $60 and $70 million to get the INC rolling back in the early 90s. Another detail is Ahmed Chalabi, head of the INC and a former businessman and son of a wealthy banking family who has not stepped foot inside Iraqi since 1956. In 1992, according to the BBC, Chalabi was sentenced in absentia by a Jordanian court to 22 years in prison with hard labor for bank fraud after the 1990 collapse of Petra Bank, which he had founded in 1977. Regardless of Chalabi's questionable, Enronesque character -- as well, the State Department has accused the INC of profligate spending habits and accounting irregularities -- Scheunemann, while working for Lott in 1998, drafted the "Iraq Liberation Act" authorizing 98 million dollars for the INC. Clinton never got around to spending the money and the Pentagon has since taken control of it to train the INC. We can only imagine the sort of training the Pentagon is offering.

http://www.globalpolicy.org/ngos/credib/2002/1119bush.htm

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TSIDTPIG Donating Member (22 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:38 PM
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68. If this "Spy" turns out to be Jewish how will it help Kerry?
Will the Jewish vote be biased to help Kerry due to our efforts to help bring this spy to justice? Can we somehow just blame Bush and leave the Israel / Jewish angle out of the outcome?
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:45 PM
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71. Doesn't matter if he's Jewish. Bush appointed neocon warmongers aligned
with Sharon, just as Bush, himself, was aligned with Sharon. It's HIS policy and HIS fault. He knew what he was in for when he appointed all those neocons because he agreed with them. They are doing what Bush and his cronies want.

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KittyWampus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:46 PM
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74. Likudniks Are Not "Israel" Or Even "Jews". They Are Far Right Extremists
who have siezed control of Israel's government much the same way the Neo-Con cabal has hijacked the US Government.

So the "Spy" is a tool of Far Right extremists.
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 09:43 PM
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119. Likudniks are not even Semitic their from Eastern Europe. Kazar
There's a whole history on that at Marxist.com I read it a long time ago. it explains why so many jews are white. they don't have one drop of semetic blood in their bodies.
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seafan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 10:14 PM
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144. Exactly.
The people of Israel and the people of America are being betrayed by vicious far right extremists acting in collusion and corrupting our governments.
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phish420 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:45 PM
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72. Apologies
Sorry, I started a new thread posting video to the story on CNN...didnt see a consolodated thread...my apologies :-(
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remfan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:47 PM
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75. Steve Emerson on MSNBC
via TIVO:

"he was a well respected veteran defense analyst who had apparently been stationed at one point as an attache in Israel, ahh, somebody who had worked in the Pentagon for more than 2 decades, and apparently, at least according to the people I've just spoken to at the Pentagon, it started off as a mishandling of classified information which sometimes gets officials into trouble when they take classified information home. The question now really now becomes what information, if any, was passed to other people who then in turn passed it to Israel, and that's what's being investigated by the FBI."

....

"...the investigation has been going on for at least a year and a half, the suspicion is that the leaks may have been going on for the last 2 years."
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JPJones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 09:45 PM
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121. Shit, if we can't figure out who it is from that info
we aren't worth one of B*'s medals.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:49 PM
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77. Articles concerning Feith, Francis Brooke, Chalabi and forgery
The articles below came out of Google searchs for <Douglas Feith PNAC> and <"francis brooke" israel>
During the search for Feith, the Brooke name came up in an article and intrigued me because of his connection to Feith and Chalabi and because Chalabi is associated with forgeries.


"An anonymous "Pentagon insider" told the Washington Times last year that Feith was the person who urged the Bush administration to make Saddam's WMD the chief public rationale for going to war immediately.)"
http://slate.msn.com/id/2100899/
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Francis Brooke is associated with Feith. He funneled info directly to Cheney:
"Greg Thielmann, Unnamed administration official] Some of the INC's intelligence on Iraq's alleged arsenal of weapons of mass destruction and Saddam's supposed ties to terrorists are reportedly funneled directly to the office of Vice President Dick Cheney by Francis Brooke, the DC lobbyist for the group. Brooke will later acknowedge that the information provided by the INC was driven by an agenda. I told them , as their campaign manager, Go get me a terrorist and some WMD, because that's what the Bush administration is interested in. Brooke had previously worked for the Rendon Group, a "
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_timeline_of_the_2003_invasion_of_iraq_pentagon_offices
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"This about Chalabi's forgery shop is also quite intriguing, given the role forged documents seemed to play in the US's pre-war Iraq intel misestimates."
http://www.warandpiece.com/blogdirs/000754.html
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Francis Brooke, who is closely associated with Feith is a player here in this article:
"Free Iraqi Resistance Calling on Jewry For Support in Quest to Depose Saddam"
http://www.forward.com/issues/1998/98.07.31/news.html
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"The secrets that Iran learned were known by very few in Washington DC.

U.S. intelligence officials on Friday said Ahmed Chalabi, a member of the Iraqi Governing Council with ties to senior Pentagon officials, gave intelligence secrets to Iran so closely held in the U.S. government that only "a handful" of senior officials know them.

Did the US official that gave Chalabi the information that he gave to the Iranians break national security laws by providing that information? Should, say, Wolfowitz or Feith be prosecuted for this?"
http://www.parapundit.com/archives/002125.html
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"Formerly with the Rendon Group, Brooke is on contract in Baghdad with BKSH and Associates, which is controlled by Charles R. "Charlie" Black, Jr., a leading Republican political strategist and lobbyist, with close ties to Reagan, Bush Senior and Bush Junior.

BKSH is using Chalabi and the INC to "open doors" into Iraq on behalf of US corporations.

Following the raid on Chalabi's home, Francis Brooke said that "Mr. Chalabi had never shared any secret information with the Iranians." The fact of the matter, is that Chalabi was used by US intelligence to lead a secret US mission to Tehran and the man behind that mission was "our man in Baghdad" Francis Brookes:

Brooke, who was traveling with Chalabi, ... was so warmly received wherever he went in Tehran that journalists who met with Chalabi were intrigued. They noted that Iranian officials from the departments of security and foreign affairs, the Revolutionary Guards and the presidency were even more interested in Brooke than in the INC leader himself.
A young Iranian journalist who asked a Foreign Ministry official just back from a meeting between Brooke and a senior Iranian National Security official whether Chalabis PR consultant had indeed delivered a letter from the US administration to the Iranian leadership said that the Foreign Ministry man replied: All I can say is that he (Brooke) is an important person who knows many secrets. We believe he is in contact with Washington decision-making circles. We therefore have to use the opportunity of his being in Tehran to convey our point of view to the Bush administration vis-a-vis the war on Iraq especially since the US government has closed off all other avenues open to us. (Ali Nourizadeh, Frances Brooke, the man behind the new Iran-US entente on Iraq. Daily Star, 22 March 2003)

In other words, it was not Chalabi who brokered a deal with the Iranians but the Pentagon's appointee, Francis Brooke."
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO405D.html
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:51 PM
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79. Holy Shit Chalabi- Fieth - Zell Nexus
These Guys got together to start a war.

Who is Ahmed Chalabi?
by Michel Chossudovsky
www.globalresearch.ca 21 May 2004
The URL of this article is: http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO405D.html


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On the 20th of May, US forces raided the Baghdad home of the head of the Iraqi National Congress (INC) Ahmed Chalabi. The media in chorus, without further investigation, described the raid as an effort to silence Chalabi's condemnation of the US-led occupation:

"My house was attacked... We avoided by a hair's breadth a clash with my guards. I am America's best friend in Iraq. If the CPA finds it necessary to direct an armed attack against my home, you can see the state of relations between the CPA and the Iraqi people." ( Press Conference in Baghdad quoted in the Independent, 20 May 2004)

The reports pointed to "a changed relationship" between Chalabi and the Coalition. "It's a stunning reversal!." Washington has decided "to drop its backing for Mr Chalabi and to distance itself from him".

Chalabi is said to have been plotting against the US by putting together "a sectarian Shiite faction" to apparently destabilize to the "UN sponsored" transitional government which is slated to take office on July 1st.

According to press reports, Chalabi was the target of a US government investigation "into whether he betrayed American intelligence secrets to foreign governments, including Iran."

He is also accused of hiding the records of the oil for food program and for having "exaggerated" the threat of weapons of mass destruction, in intelligence transmitted to the Coalition in the months leading up to the war. In other words, he is said to have tricked US intelligence into believing there were WMDs. Where he got this intelligence is not mentioned. Chalabi returned to Kurdish held Northern Iraq in February 2003 after 45 years in exile and the INC did not have an active network inside Iraq, which would have enabled it to gather intelligence on WMDs

Puppet without Strings

From one day to the next, the puppet is presented as "pulling the strings" and maneuvering behind the scenes against the US led coalition.

The official explanation, as conveyed by the press reports, simply does not make sense.

Up until the 18th of May, Chalabi was still on the Pentagon's payroll receiving a modest monthly allowance of $355,000 (more than 4 million dollars a year).

His job was described as "intelligence gathering." Two days later his house is raided. According to Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, cutting his pocket money was part of the "natural evolution" towards democracy in Iraq:

"That was a decision that was made in light of the process of transferring sovereignty to the Iraqi people... There has been some very valuable intelligence that's been gathered through that process that's been very important for our forces, but we will seek to obtain that in the future through normal intelligence channels." (quoted in the Financial Times, 21 May 2004)

On the 18th of May, they cut his money and the following day they raid his office?

A puppet does not turn against his master, particularly when key members of his staff, including his main advisers and spokesmen, are US appointees who report directly back to the Pentagon.

Who is Ahmed Chalabi?

Ahmed Chalabi and the Iraqi National Council are a creation of the CIA.

Chalabi is an Iraqi emigr, handpicked by US intelligence.

He left Iraq and moved to the US with his family at age 13. He holds a US passport.

Chalabi returned to Iraq barely one month before the war. He had not set foot in Iraq since his childhood.

On April 6 2003, US troops escorted him to Nasiriya, where he established, with the support of the US military, the so-called Free Iraqi Forces, a paramilitary army of some 600 fighters.

Since his return to Iraq, he has been a leading figure of the US sponsored Iraqi Governing Council.

Chalabi may have some degree of controlled "independence", but he remains a US sponsored "intelligence asset". Key members of his staff, report to Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz.

The press reports seem to suggest a "blowback". Our trusted ally has gone against us.":

Washington's longtime ally who was once favored by the Pentagon brass to be Iraq's post-war leader.

The Iraqi National Police and American military police hauled away computers, documents, and a "valuable Koran" from his office, according to Chalabi, a senior member of Iraq's Governing Council and head of the Iraqi National Congress.

In an angry letter to FBI Director Robert Mueller and CIA Director George Tenet, the Boston law firm that represents Chalabi, Markham & Read, said a large contingent of police and armed plainclothes Americans ransacked the INC's offices and Chalabi's nearby home, ripping computers from their sockets and smashing doors.

"They marauded his office and disrespected his family," attorney John J. E. Markham II told the Globe by telephone. He said Chalabi believed the US-led coalition had launched a vendetta against the INC leader because "he is starting to distance himself from the folly of Bremer," the top US administrator in Iraq.

Yesterday's raid appeared to be the climax of a relationship gone bad, in which grievances on both sides have mounted during the past year's difficulties in Iraq. Pentagon officials relied on Chalabi and the INC heavily before the war to assess both Saddam Hussein's weapons capabilities and the chances of success of a US-led war. (Boston Globe, 21 May 2004)

Propaganda Ploy

Following the Gulf War, the CIA assigned a public relations firm the Rendon Group: "to help organize, advise, and stage-manage the Iraqi opposition... " In fact, the Rendon Group created the Iraqi National Congress (INC) and its leader Ahmed Chalabi from scratch,--i.e. from a virtually nonexistent entity into a US sponsored political proxy, which would faithfully serve US interests. "Were it not for Rendon,"a State Department official remarked, "the Chalabi group wouldn't even be on the map.". (See Michel Chossudovsky, War Propaganda and the Capture of Saddam Hussein, http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO312B.html , December 2003)

In fact, the Rendon Group even chose the name of the INC:

"At the helm of the INC is Ahmed Chalabi, a US-trained mathematician who fled from Jordan in 1989 in the trunk of a car after the collapse of a bank he owned. He was subsequently charged and sentenced in absentia to 22 years in prison for embezzlement. Back home in Iraq, he's referred to by some as the so-called limousine insurgent and is said to hold little actual standing with the Iraqi public. Shuttling between London and DC, Chalabi hasn't been in Iraq for over years, and draws "more support on the Potomac than the Euphrates," says Iraq specialist Andrew Parasiliti of the Middle East Institute in Washington DC.

With funding first from the CIA throughout the 1990s and more recently the Pentagon, Rendon managed the INC's every move, an INC spokesperson acknowledges, even choosing its name, coordinating its annual strategy conferences, and orchestrating its meetings with diplomatic heavy hitters, such as James Baker and Brent Scowcroft. Not that the Rendon Group was the first purveyor of psy-op tactics for promoting US foreign policy in the region. In fact, some of the most impressive spin maneuvers and disinformation campaigns occurred during the Gulf War in 1991, the lessons of which are particularly pertinent as the US again gears up (See Ian Urbina, This War Brought to You by Rendon Group, Asia Times Online, 12 November 2002, http://www.gvnews.net/html/Shadow/alert3553.html ).

Since the Gulf War, The Rendon Group has been involved in several core disinformation operations. It worked closely with its British partner Hill and Knowlton, which was responsible for the 1990 Kuwaiti incubator media scam, where Kuwaiti babies were allegedly removed from incubators in a totally fabricated news story, which was then used to get Congressional approval for the 1991 Gulf War. A fabricated statement by a "Kuwaiti nurse" was presented to the US Congress, who claimed to have seen Iraqi soldiers removing the babies from the incubators, looting the maternity ward and killing the babies. It turned out that the "nurse" was the daughter of the Kuwaiti ambassador in Washington. Her statement, had been commissioned by the Rendon Group. (See Financial Times, 15 July 2003)

The Office of Strategic Influence (OSI)

When Donald Rumsfeld created his propaganda outfit called The Office of Strategic Influence (OSI) in the wake of September 11, 2001, the Rendon Group (TRG), was hired by the OSI as a core consulting firm.

It was to provide the public relations and psych-ops input in support of the Bush administration's "war on terrorism". It was also entrusted with a media and PR campaign to discredit the Baathist regime in the Middle East, demonize Saddam Hussein and build an Iraqi opposition.

When the OSI was officially disbanded, following pressures from the US Congress, several of its activities were transferred to The Office of Special Plans (OSP) created by Deputy Secretary Paul Wolfowitz. (The OSP was subsequently also disbanded).

Several of the OSP's specific propaganda operations were outsourced to the private sector. The Rendon Group, which had created Ahmed Chalabi, remained one of the key PR firm on contract to the Pentagon.

The "Liberation of Baghdad" media spin and the staged pulling down of the statue of Saddam on Fardhus square on April 8th was in all likelihood the work of a private PR consulting firm on contract to the Pentagon. Members of the INC had allegedly been brought in for a media staged event. (for further details, see The pulling down of the Statue was a staged media event, 11 April 2003 http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/NYI304A.html , See also Michel Chossudovsky, Killing the "Unembedded Truth" by Michel Chossudovsky, 11 April 2003, http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO304B.html ).

In the wake of the war, Rendon supported the creation of the INC's daily newspaper Al Mu'tamar, which played a key role in releasing the story of Saddam's capture. A (former) staff member of the Rendon Group, Francis Brooke, who is now Chalabi key adviser, was behind the "opposition media" in Baghdad from the beginning of the US led occupation, including TV and news print (including the Al Mutamar project).

Was the Raid on Chalabi's home a Staged Event?

Was the raid on Chalabi's home part of a staged event, which sought to present a US sponsored puppet as a legitimate figure of the Iraqi opposition?

While there is no proof, there are several pieces of contradictory information, which cast serious doubt on the official version of events.

Chalabi is accused of "betraying American intelligence secrets to foreign governments, including Iran," In other words, the US is accusing him of entering into secret negotiations with Iran:

"The State Department and CIA, have recently expressed deep concern about a surge in recent intelligence alleging that the INC and Chalabi have been passing on potentially dangerous information to officials in the government of Iran. Though Chalabi has never made any secret of his cordial relations with top Iranian officialsone of his aides claimed that Chalabi had held discussions with most top Iranian officials over the last six monthsBush administration officials say the latest intelligence indicates he may have been supplying the Iranians with information on U.S. security operations in Iraq that could get people killed. (MNSBC, 20 May 2004)

Visibly these accusations are fabricated, because the people who are making decisions for Chalabi with regard to Iran, are Pentagon appointees. Chalabi cannot move without his US appointed advisers.

Francis Brooke, who is Chalabi's right hand man has close ties with National Security Council Chairman Condoleezza Rice and Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz. He has played a central role in Chalabi's intelligence undertakings including his links to Iran.

Formerly with the Rendon Group, Brooke is on contract in Baghdad with BKSH and Associates, which is controlled by Charles R. "Charlie" Black, Jr., a leading Republican political strategist and lobbyist, with close ties to Reagan, Bush Senior and Bush Junior.

BKSH is using Chalabi and the INC to "open doors" into Iraq on behalf of US corporations.

Following the raid on Chalabi's home, Francis Brooke said that "Mr. Chalabi had never shared any secret information with the Iranians." The fact of the matter, is that Chalabi was used by US intelligence to lead a secret US mission to Tehran and the man behind that mission was "our man in Baghdad" Francis Brookes:

Brooke, who was traveling with Chalabi, ... was so warmly received wherever he went in Tehran that journalists who met with Chalabi were intrigued. They noted that Iranian officials from the departments of security and foreign affairs, the Revolutionary Guards and the presidency were even more interested in Brooke than in the INC leader himself.
A young Iranian journalist who asked a Foreign Ministry official just back from a meeting between Brooke and a senior Iranian National Security official whether Chalabis PR consultant had indeed delivered a letter from the US administration to the Iranian leadership said that the Foreign Ministry man replied: All I can say is that he (Brooke) is an important person who knows many secrets. We believe he is in contact with Washington decision-making circles. We therefore have to use the opportunity of his being in Tehran to convey our point of view to the Bush administration vis-a-vis the war on Iraq especially since the US government has closed off all other avenues open to us. (Ali Nourizadeh, Frances Brooke, the man behind the new Iran-US entente on Iraq. Daily Star, 22 March 2003)

In other words, it was not Chalabi who brokered a deal with the Iranians but the Pentagon's appointee, Francis Brooke.

New Image

The raid on Chalabi's home creates the impression that Chalabi is no longer a figurehead controlled by the US, but a person of political moderation who speaks his own mind.

The Bush Administration is acutely aware that for Chalabi to continue performing the role of an "effective puppet", he needs a new image, which presents him to public opinion in Iraq and the Middle East not only as "independent" but anti-American.

Chalabi is still a puppet. He cannot move without the consent of the Pentagon.

With mounting resistance, the US cannot reasonably install a political proxy and expect Iraqis to rally behind him.

Whether this strategy will succeed is doubtful and this is one of the main reasons behind the US decision to dump the Iraqi Governing Council.

In Iraq, Chalabi is still viewed for what he is, a creature of the CIA.

Whether he plays a direct role in the political transition remains to be seen.

Whether he integrates a transition government or not, or whether that transition government will actually be formed by July 1st, Ahmed Chalabi will continue to perform an important role on behalf of his US sponsors.

He constitutes a go-between in the shady dealings of channeling of foreign investment into Iraq, meaning the confiscation of the country's wealth by a handful of corporations.

In this context, he is used as a bridge, between selected Iraqi business collaborators and US companies. His adviser Francis Brookes acts on behalf of BKSH and Associates, controlled by Charles R. "Charlie" Black, Jr. and BKSH acts on behalf of major US investors into Iraq.

In turn, Chalabi's nephew Salem Chalabi runs a law firm called the Iraqi International Law Group (IILG). (The Guardian 24 September 2003). The IILG was set up in July 2003 to provide foreign enterprise with the information and tools it needs to enter the emerging Iraq and to succeed, according to its website. Our clients number among the largest corporations and institutions on the planet, (quoted in Brian Whitaker, Zionist Settler Joins Iraqi to Promote Trade, http://www.world-crisis.com/more/30_0_1_0_M13/ )

But it turns out that the IILG based in Baghdad is in fact a proxy for a Washington based law firm, Zell, Goldberg & Co, "which claims to be 'one of Israel's fastest-growing business-oriented law firms".

In turn, Zell, Goldberg and Co is the Israeli affiliate of the FANDZ International Law Group. (http://www.fandz.com/ ). Now it just so happens that FANDZ is a partnership between Marc Zell and Department of Defense Undersecretary Douglas Feith, who, while on leave from the company, reports directly to Paul Wolfowitz and Don Rumsfeld.

"The FANDZ INTERNATIONAL LAW GROUP was established in 1999 with the formation of Zell, Goldberg & Co. and its alliance with Feith & Zell, P.C" http://www.fandz.com/html/fandz.html

In other words, in the complex web of political puppets, law firms and public relations consulting outfits, all roads lead up the ladder to the Pentagon's highest ranks.

Chalabi has not been dumped. Quite the opposite. He now emerges with a brand new anti-American image, which contributes to confusing public opinion. He remains America's Number One "intelligence asset" in Baghdad, serving a central role in the economic colonization of Iraq.

The ultimate objective of the US led occupation is to confiscate Iraq's resources including its oil wells and gain full control over the national economy.

Faced with mounting popular resistance, that desperate process can only be undertaken under the smokescreen of an illusive national sovereignty.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:56 PM
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84. Yes and we should be looking at Francis Brooke
Edited on Fri Aug-27-04 08:58 PM by eleny
He's associated with Feith and Chalabi and Iran and Israel. Brooke worked for the Rendon Group. Google is rich with information. See my post right above yours.

Going to read your posting more thoroughly now.
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 09:00 PM
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92. "the project he was assigned at Rendon was funded by the C.I.A."
About Brooke:

"....in 1991 he took a public-relations job with an American firm in London called the Rendon Group, which described its specialty as perception management. The company had been founded by John Rendon, a former executive director of the Democratic National Committee. It didnt take long for Brooke to realize that the project he was assigned at Rendon was funded by the C.I.A. Brooke, who at the time was thirty years old, said that he was paid twenty-two thousand dollars a month."

http://talkleft.com/new_archives/006723.html



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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 09:34 PM
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111. Zell is Feith's law partner...... stay on him.........
FOLLOW THE MONEY............:)
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 09:56 PM
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129. Fandz International law Group ZELL, Goldberg & Co & Feith, ZELL
Edited on Fri Aug-27-04 09:57 PM by Joanne98
The FANDZ INTERNATIONAL LAW GROUP was established in 1999 with the formation of Zell, Goldberg & Co. and its alliance with Feith & Zell, P.C.

Following the reorganization of Feith & Zell, P.C., precipitated by the appointment of our colleague Douglas J. Feith as Undersecretary of Defense for Policy in the George W. Bush Administration in 2001, the FANDZ INTERNATIONAL LAW GROUP now encompasses the strategic alliances between Zell, Goldberg & Co. and its offices in Moscow (in cooperation with Khalimon & Partners), Washington, D.C. (in cooperation with Shapiro, Sher Guinot & Sandler, P.A) and in Seattle, Washington

I wonder who the CO is???????

http://www.fandz.com/html/fandz.html
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:57 PM
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88. Chalabi? Iran? Setup?
Chalabi says he was set up as an Iranian spy... He went from hero to goat mighty fast....and then Iran became our enemy about as fast?? And now we are supposed to attack Iran next?? Interesting....
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 09:30 PM
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109. I keep thinking of Chalabi
It's the same players - the Pentagon neo-cons. It's another case of American secrets being passed to a foreign national at the highest levels. I'm sure it will tie together.
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Perky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 08:59 PM
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90. Feith linked to Haliburton contracts
A Pentagon e-mail indicates that a multimillion-dollar Halliburton contract for Iraqi reconstruction was "coordinated" with the office of Vice President Dick Cheney, the company's former chief executive, a newsmagazine reports.

Time magazine says the March 5, 2003 e-mail from an unknown Army Corps of Engineers official says Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz gave his deputy Douglas Feith the authority to "execute" the contract for restoring Iraq's oil industry.

According to the magazine, the e-mail says Feith approved the contract "contingent on informing WH (White House) tomorrow."

"We anticipate no issues since action has been coordinated w VP's (Vice President's) office."
http://realdcc-detnews.blogspot.com/2004_07_18_realdcc-detnews_archive.html
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Duncan Grant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 09:15 PM
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96. Karen Kwiatkowski -- 3 part article Re: USD office - Feith and Iraq War
Edited on Fri Aug-27-04 09:21 PM by 94114_San_Francisco
December 1, 2003 issue
Copyright 2003 The American Conservative

In Rumsfelds Shop

A senior Air Force officer watches as the neocons consolidate their Pentagon coup.

By Karen Kwiatkowski

<snip>
"What seemed out of place was the strong and open pro-Israel and anti-Arab orientation in an ostensibly apolitical policy-generation staff within the Pentagon. There was a sense that politics like these might play better at the State Department or the National Security Council, not the Pentagon, where we considered ourselves objective and hard boiled.

The anti-Arab orientation I perceived was only partially confirmed by things I saw. Towards the end of the summer, we welcomed to the office as a temporary special assistant to Bill Luti an Egyptian-American naval officer, Lt. (later Lt. Cmdr.) Youssef Aboul-Enein. His job wasnt entirely clear to me, but he would research bits of data in which Bill Luti was interested and peruse Arabic-language media for quotations or events that could be used to demonize Saddam Hussein or link him to nastiness beyond his own borders and with unsavory characters."
<snip>
http://www.amconmag.com/12_1_03/feature.html


December 15, 2003 issue
Copyright 2003 The American Conservative

Conscientious Objector

A senior Air Force officer watches civilians craft the war plan.

By Karen Kwiatkowski

Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, a former Pentagon insider, continues her revelations in this second of a three-part series.

<snip>
That genius, in some ways, was due to Abe Shulsky. A kindly and gentle-appearing man who would say hello in the hallways, he seemed to be someone with whom I, as a political-science grad student, would have loved to sit over coffee and discuss the worlds problems. Seeing me as a uniformed and relatively junior officer, I doubt he entertained similar desires. In any case, he was very busy. I didnt see much of what Abe did on a daily basis, but I know that he approved a particular document produced by the Office of Special Plans for the staff officers in Policy. Desk officers write policy papers for our senior officers to help prepare them for meetings, speeches, or events where they will need to communicate U.S. security policy. In early September, after the OSP had been established, we were told via staff meetings and e-mails that whenever we wrote something that might include reference to the Iraq threat, and WMD and terrorism in general, we would now inform OSP and request their talking points. The actual contact point was Air Force Col. Kevin Jones. On a number of occasions from September through January, I e-mailed or called Colonel Jones and requested the latest version of the talking points. On several occasions, they werent available in an approved form, and we waited for Shulskys OK. This crafting and approval of the exact words to use when discussing Iraq, WMD, and terrorism were, for most of us, the only known functions of OSP and Mr. Shulsky.
<snip>
http://www.amconmag.com/12_15_03/article3.html


January 19, 2004 issue
The American Conservative

Open Door Policy

A strange thing happened on the way to the war.

By Karen Kwiatkowski

Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski, a former Pentagon insider, concludes her observations on the run-up to the Iraq war in this last of a three-part series.

<snip>
In early winter, an incident occurred that was seared into my memory. A coworker and I were suddenly directed to go down to the Mall entrance to pick up some Israeli generals. Post-9/11 rules required one escort for every three visitors, and there were six or seven of them waiting. The Navy lieutenant commander and I hustled down. Before we could apologize for the delay, the leader of the pack surged ahead, his colleagues in close formation, leaving us to double-time behind the group as they sped to Undersecretary Feiths office on the fourth floor. Two thoughts crossed our minds: are we following close enough to get credit for escorting them, and do they really know where they are going? We did get credit, and they did know. Once in Feiths waiting room, the leader continued at speed to Feiths closed door. An alert secretary saw this coming and had leapt from her desk to block the door. Mr. Feith has a visitor. It will only be a few more minutes. The leader craned his neck to look around the secretarys head as he demanded, Who is in there with him?

This minor crisis of curiosity past, I noticed the security sign-in roster. Our habit, up until a few weeks before this incident, was not to sign in senior visitors like ambassadors. But about once a year, the security inspectors send out a warning letter that they were coming to inspect records. As a result, sign-in rosters were laid out, visible and used. I knew this because in the previous two weeks I watched this explanation being awkwardly presented to several North African ambassadors as they signed in for the first time and wondered why and why now. Given all this and seeing the sign-in roster, I asked the secretary, Do you want these guys to sign in? She raised her hands, both palms toward me, and waved frantically as she shook her head. No, no, no, it is not necessary, not at all. Her body language told me I had committed a faux pas for even asking the question. My fellow escort and I chatted on the way back to our office about how the generals knew where they were going (most foreign visitors to the five-sided asylum dont) and how the generals didnt have to sign in. I felt a bit dirtied by the whole thing and couldnt stop comparing that experience to the grace and gentility of the Moroccan, Tunisian, and Algerian ambassadors with whom I worked.
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http://www.howardlabs.com/1-04/Open%20Door%20Policy.html

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blitzen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 09:18 PM
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98. Link to important article from The Nation
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml%3Fi=20030707&s=dreyfuss


Will,

someone posted this in another thread...i thought you'd want to see it, if you haven't already.
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finecraft Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 10:10 PM
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138. Ding, Ding, Ding, Ding! We have a winner!
(snp) "According to the former official, also feeding information to the Office of Special Plans was a secret, rump unit established last year in the office of Prime Minister Ariel Sharon of Israel. This unit, which paralleled Shulsky's--and which has not previously been reported--prepared intelligence reports on Iraq in English (not Hebrew) and forwarded them to the Office of Special Plans. It was created in Sharon's office, not inside Israel's Mossad intelligence service, because the Mossad--which prides itself on extreme professionalism--had views closer to the CIA's, not the Pentagon's, on Iraq. This secretive unit, and not the Mossad, may well have been the source of the forged documents purporting to show that Iraq tried to purchase yellowcake uranium for weapons from Niger in West Africa, according to the former official."
http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml%3Fi=20030707&s=dreyfuss

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 09:18 PM
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hedda_foil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 09:25 PM
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105. WP: Spy in OSP under Luti
Edited on Fri Aug-27-04 09:28 PM by hedda_foil
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x681625

A desk officer in OSP. Does Kwiatkowski mention someone who fills the bill?

on edit:

From the Anacom link above:http://www.amconmag.com/12_1_03/feature.html

Kwiatkowski

Another civilian replacement about which I was told was that of the long-time Israel/Syria/Lebanon desk, Larry Hanauer. Word was that he was even-handed with Israel, there had been complaints from one of his countries, and as a gesture of good will, David Schenker, fresh from the Washington Institute, was serving as the new Israel/Syria/Lebanon desk.

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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 09:34 PM
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112. MSNBC says the guy's been around the Pentagon for 20 years
Edited on Fri Aug-27-04 09:34 PM by party_line
Steve Emerson- Post 75 in this thread
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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 09:42 PM
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118. "Breaking News: Tooth-Fairy and Santa-Claus are linked"
"An Arab View of The New York Times and well America in general. Bring on the sheeple--

The US government are not content to lie to masses, but they are also happy to lie to each other. They created an incestuous ring of liars that operate at the highest levels. In 2002, as the momentum for war with Iraq began to pickup, Wolfowitz and Feith beefed up the US's intelligence capacity by creating an Iraq war-planning unit in the Pentagon's Near East and South Asia Affairs section, run by Deputy Undersecretary of Defense William Luti, named the "Office of Special Plans," or OSP. As OSP got rolling, Luti brought in Colonel Bruner, a former military aide to Newt Gingrich, and, together, Luti and Bruner opened the door to a vast flow of bogus intelligence fed to the Pentagon by Iraqi defectors associated with Chalabi's Iraqi National Congress (INC) group of exiles. The INC was founded and led by Chalabi in 1992, with the help of a shadowy CIA-connected public-relations firm called the Rendon Group, one of whose former employees, Francis Brooke, has been a top aide to Chalabi ever since."

http://scoop.agonist.org/story/2004/6/19/195750/273



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Snazzy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 09:52 PM
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124. Iran desk--Larry Franklin
Edited on Fri Aug-27-04 09:54 PM by Snazzy
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity.jsp?entity=larry_franklin

Former DIA too.

(Key WaPo info: Iran desk, works for Luti, retiring, former DIA)

Edit: was also in Rome circa Plame documents.
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Hell Hath No Fury Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 09:57 PM
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131. Links for days here...
Edited on Fri Aug-27-04 09:59 PM by Hell Hath No Fury
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timeline=complete_timeline_of_the_2003_invasion_of_iraq_pentagon_offices

(This is all one big paragraph on the site, but I'll break it downm to make it readable. The links are on the site -- too many to repost here.)

September 2002

Undersecretary of Defense for Policy Douglas J. Feith and Deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz, adamant hawks, rename the Northern Gulf Affairs Office on the Pentagon's fourth floor (in the seventh corridor of D Ring) the Office of Special Plans (OSP) and increase its four-person staff to sixteen. , 8/27/03; Mother Jones, 1/04 Sources: Greg Thielmann, Unnamed administration official, Karen Kwiatkowski]

William Luti, a former navy officer and ex-aide to Vice President Cheney, is put in charge of the day-to-day operations. The Office of Special Plans is staffed with a tight group of like-minded neoconservative ideologues, who are known advocates of regime change in Iraq. Notably, the staffers have little background in intelligence or Iraqi history and culture. They hire scores of temporary consultants ... including like-minded lawyers, congressional staffers, and policy wonks from the numerous rightwing think-tanks in the US capital. Neoconservative ideologues, like Richard Perle and Newt Gingrich, are afforded direct input into the Office of Special Plans.

The office works alongside the Near East and South Asia (NESA) bureau, also under the authority of Douglas Feith The official business of Special Plans is to help plan for post-Saddam Iraq. The office's staff members presumably develop defense policies aimed at building an international coalition, prepare the secretary of defense and his top deputies for interagency meetings, coordinate troop-deployment orders, craft policies for dealing with prisoners of war and illegal combatants, postwar assistance and reconstruction policy planning, postwar governance, Iraqi oil infrastructure policy, postwar Iraqi property disputes, war crimes and atrocities, war-plan review and, in their spare time, prepare congressional testimony for their principals.

But according to numerous well-placed sources, the office becomes a source for many of the administration's prewar allegations against Iraq. It is accused of exaggerating, politicizing, and misrepresenting intelligence, which is stovepiped to top administration officials who use the intelligence in their policy decisions on Iraq. , 8/27/03; Mother Jones, 1/04; Telegraph, 7/11/2004; CNN, 7/11/2004 Sources: Unnamed administration official, Karen Kwiatkowski, Greg Thielmann]

Colin Powell is said to have felt that Cheney and the neoconservatives in this Gestapo office had established what was essentially a separate government. Some of the people associated with this office were earlier involved with the Counter Terrorism Evaluation Group, also known as the Wurmser-Maloof project (see Shortly after September 11, 2001

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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 09:41 PM
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117. WHY I Think it's F. MICHAEL MALOOF
http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity.jsp?entity=da...

"Wurmser works at Feith's office, where he and another neocon, F. Michael Maloof, a former aide to Richard Perle, head a secret intelligence unit, named the Counter Terrorism Evaluation Group, or the Wurmser-Maloof project. The four- to five-person unit, a B Team commissioned by Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, uses powerful computers and software to scan and sort already-analyzed documents and reports from the CIA, the Defense Intelligence Agency, the National Security Agency, and other agencies in an effort to consider possible interpretations and angles of analysis that these agencies may have missed due to deeply ingrained biases and out-of-date worldviews."
Washington Times, 1/14/02; Mother Jones, 1/04; New York Times, 10/24/02


http://www.motherjones.com/news/feature/2004/01/12_405-...

Putting Wurmser in charge of the unit meant that it was being run by a pro-Iraq-war ideologue who'd spent years calling for a pre-emptive invasion of Baghdad and who was clearly predisposed to find what he wanted to see. Adding another layer of dubious quality to the endeavor was the man partnered with Wurmser, F. Michael Maloof. Maloof, a former aide to Perle in the 1980s Pentagon, was twice stripped of his high-level security clearances -- once in late 2001 and, again, last spring, for various infractions. Maloof was also reportedly involved in a bizarre scheme to broker contacts between Iraqi officials and the Pentagon, channeled through Perle, in what one report called a "rogue operation" outside official CIA and Defense Intelligence Agency channels.


http://larouchein2004.net/pages/other/2004/040103cosart...

"Maloof had his security clearances stripped around the time of the El-Hage sealed indictment; however, intelligence sources report that Maloof is being probed on suspicion that he leaked details of the U.S. Iraq invasion plans to Israel; not just the Dulles gun incident. According to one Knight Ridder account by Warren Strobel, Doug Feith and Richard Perle both intervened, unsuccessfully, to have Maloof's clearances restored.

Maloof, El-Hage, former Lebanese President Gen. Michele Aoun, Ledeen, and other members of the Cheney/OSP network, are believed to be involved in covert operations aimed at provoking a confrontation with Syria over the occupation of Lebanon. General Aoun has been brought to Washington on several occasions by the Hudson Institute's Middle East program, headed by Clean Break co-author Meyrav Wurmser, the wife of David Wurmser, now of Vice President Cheney's staff. In September 2003, shortly after David Wurmser's transfer to Cheney's staff, the Bush Administration, in a policy about-face pushed through by the Veep, embraced the Syria Accountability and Lebanese Restoration of Sovereignty Act, a bill promoted by the right-wing Zionist lobby in Congress, but previously blocked by the White House from being voted on, on the floors of Congress.

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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 10:05 PM
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133. FBI investigated Maloof re transfer info to Israel
"Department of Justice/Criminal (OSP): There have been persistent reports of an FBI investigation, centering around OSP staffer Michael Maloof, concerning the unlawful transfer to Israel of classified information on U.S. Iraq war plans. Maloof was suspended from OSP in the Spring of 2003, and his security clearance was lifted."

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2004/3105iraq_investigs.html

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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 10:09 PM
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136. More on Maloof and the FBI investigation of him
""Team B" was a two-man analysis cell, which "cherry-picked" raw data from the entire data base of the CIA, NSA, and DIA, seeking "proof" of Saddam Hussein links to Al-Qaeda, and evidence of Saddam's secret weapons programs. The first members of "Team B" were David Wurmsernow a top aide to Vice President Cheneyand Michael Maloof, who was later in the OSP, but is now on administrative leave with pay from the Pentagon. Intelligence community sources have reported to this news service that Maloof is being probed for his possible role in the leaking of U.S. Iraq war plans to Israel. Maloof has also been linked to Lebanese "businessman" Emad El Hage, who is being promoted by Washington neo-cons as a future "Ahmed Chalabi of Lebanon"i.e., an American-Israeli frontman for a future "Iraq treatment" for Syria and Lebanon."

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2003/3046chnygte_plmbrs.html
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 10:07 PM
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134. Drinking the Koolaid Wurmser Maloof project.........
Edited on Fri Aug-27-04 10:08 PM by Joanne98

Drinking the Kool-Aid

W. Patrick Lang

Col. Lang is president of Global Resources, Inc. and former defense intelligence officer at the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA). For a printable pdf version of this article, click here.

Throughout my long service life in the Department of Defense, first as an army officer and then as a member of the Defense Intelligence Senior Executive Service, there was a phrase in common usage: "I will fall on my sword over that." It meant that the speaker had reached a point of internal commitment with regard to something that his superiors wanted him to do and that he intended to refuse even though this would be career suicide. The speaker preferred career death to the loss of personal honor.

This phrase is no longer widely in use. What has taken its place is far more sinister in its meaning and implications. "I drank the Kool-Aid" is what is now said. Those old enough to remember the Jonestown tragedy know this phrase all too well. Jim Jones, a self-styled "messiah" from the United States, lured hundreds of innocent and believing followers to Guyana, where he built a village, isolated from the world, in which his Utopian view of the universe would be played out. He controlled all news, regulated all discourse and expression of opinion, and shaped behavior to his taste. After a time, his paranoia grew unmanageable and he "foresaw" that "evil" forces were coming to threaten his "paradise." He decided that these forces were unstoppable and that death would be preferable to living under their control. He called together his followers in the town square and explained the situation to them. There were a few survivors, who all said afterward that within the context of the "group-think" prevailing in the village, it sounded quite reasonable. Jim Jones then invited all present to drink from vats of Kool-Aid containing lethal doses of poison. Nearly all did so, without physical coercion. Parents gave their children the poison and then drank it themselves. Finally Jones drank. Many hundreds died with him.

What does drinking the Kool-Aid mean today? It signifies that the person in question has given up personal integrity and has succumbed to the prevailing group-think that typifies policymaking today. This person has become "part of the problem, not part of the solution."

http://www.mepc.org/public_asp/journal_vol11/0406_lang.asp

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eleny Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 10:13 PM
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140. Maloof employed by Feith
http://www.disinfopedia.org/wiki.phtml?title=Counter_Terrorism_Evaluation_Group

"Counter Terrorism Evaluation Group

The Counter Terrorism Evaluation Group, created by Douglas J. Feith, the under secretary of defense for policy, is under investigation by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence as to whether it "exaggerated the threat posed by Iraq to justify the war," according to the New York Times' James Risen.

In his April 28, 2004, article "How Pair's Finding on Terror Led to Clash on Shaping Intelligence", Risen describes the "Group" as "a two-man intelligence team set up shop in a windowless, cipher-locked room at the Pentagon, searching for evidence of links between terrorist groups and host countries."

Risen writes that "Feith created his team a few weeks after the September 11, 2001, attacks to study links between terrorist groups and potential state sponsors around the world. F. Michael Maloof and his colleague, David Wurmser began work in October 2001 in a 15-by-15-foot space on the third floor of the Pentagon. The pair spent their days reading raw intelligence reports, many from the Central Intelligence Agency, in the Pentagon's classified computer system." The "Group" reported weekly to Steven A. Cambone, "then Mr. Feith's principal deputy." "

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spooked Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 10:21 PM
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147. Good catch...Maloof's name wasn't on Feith's flow chart
someone posted.

Maloof also worked under Reagan so that would be 20 years...
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midwayer Donating Member (719 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 09:50 PM
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123. Do you think this will change under a Kerry administration?
Edited on Fri Aug-27-04 09:53 PM by midwayer
I have my doubts

I only have more questions

no answers to the issue

PNAC apparently has all the answers

NOT

WE THE PEOPLE

BTW

I hear THEY are now monitoring EVERY PHONE IN AMERICA

listening for key words

It is possible THEY now have the power to suspend YOUR

CIVIL RIGHTS

with a letter in the mail

YOU ARE DONE
FRIED

OVER

If you balk at the letter

If you speak up, you could spend the rest of your life in prison

The point is not if they send the letter

but the fact that they NOW HAVE THE POWER TO DO SO

YOU think I am kidding?

ask around

THEY NOW HAVE THE POWER

This is not how Thomas Jefferson envisioned AMERICA


GOODNIGHT

I am going to sleep

I have to get up in the morning and go work two jobs to make ends meet

There is no American Dream

They sold US OUT
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Dudley_DUright Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 09:53 PM
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126. Atrios now on the case
Edited on Fri Aug-27-04 09:55 PM by Dudley_DUright
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Tight_rope Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 09:55 PM
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128. Gezzz....the fan needs cleaning!
In the past 3+ years, more shit has hit the fan then I can ever remember. What ashame that we don't have a "REAL" media to do their jobs. Thank God for the internet.
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Soopercali Donating Member (257 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 10:02 PM
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132. Common Dreams story from a few weeks ago...
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0807-02.htm

...But key personnel who worked in both NESA and OSP were part of a broader network of neo-conservative ideologues and activists who worked with other Bush political appointees scattered around the national-security bureaucracy to move the country to war, according to retired Lt Col Karen Kwiatkowski, who was assigned to NESA from May 2002 through February 2003.

The heads of NESA and OSP were Deputy Undersecretary William Luti and Abram Shulsky, respectively.

Other appointees who worked with them in both offices included Michael Rubin, a Middle East specialist previously with the neo-conservative American Enterprise Institute (AEI); David Schenker, previously with the Washington Institute for Near East Policy (WINEP); Michael Makovsky; an expert on neo-con icon Winston Churchill and the younger brother of David Makovsky, a senior WINEP fellow and former executive editor of pro-Likud 'Jerusalem Post'; and Chris Lehman, the brother of the John Lehman, a prominent neo-conservative who served as secretary of the navy under Ronald Reagan, according to Kwiatkowski
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Joanne98 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 10:11 PM
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139. We need a new thread narrowing the targets........
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 10:13 PM
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141. This one will go all the way up to Cheney.
We all knew he was running the WH. Now we know why he all of a sudden support gay marriage and now we know why McCain is chummying up with Shrubnuts so he can get the VP slot if this spy thing starts to get too hot for Cheney to drop out of the race.
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Rose Siding Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Aug-27-04 10:17 PM
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145. Tomorrow's NYT says said spy was on Paris trip for Rummy-
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The Pentagon analyst who officials said is under suspicion was one of two department officials who traveled to Paris for a secret meeting with Manucher Ghorbanifar, an Iranian arms dealer who had been a central figure in the Iran-contra affair.

Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld confirmed last year that the secret meeting had occurred, but he defended it as an appropriate diplomatic effort. He said the talks went nowhere.

http://nytimes.com/2004/08/28/politics/28spy.html?hp
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149. Locking.
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