Farenheit 911 - why does Moore focus only on Saudi Arabia

[Must_B_Free]

To preface, many of my postulates turn out to be non starters, but, did Moore completely ignore far right Israel's potential interest in Iraq?

What strikes me is that he shows things that imply that Bush is a puppet of the Saudis, but what about the Neocon hard right Israeli connection?

And to further qualify and declaw that statement of offense, I'll say that I would speculate that most to all groups have an extremist far right end of the spectrum, America, Israel, whatever. Even peace movements have those who want to use violence.

I just find it curious that we see the military adopting Israeli Urban Combat training for the "Warrior Ethos" program and we also see that Israeli intelligence officers were hired to direct the torture at Abu Ghraib. Isn't this as suspicious as what Moore ran with on Bush and the Saudis?

Why does Israel get not even a sniff, when there appear to be as many question to be answered on that side as Moore raised about Saudi Arabia?

(Not intende to inflame or divide, just an honest query)

[Liberal Veteran]

1. I would imagine because almost all the 9/11 hijackers were Saudis.

Which makes the whole..."let's bomb Iraq" thing even more damning.

[TexasSissy]

24. I agree w/this. Moore was discussing the "why bomb Iraq when

it was Saudis who did the dastardly deed" issue. He didn't get into behind the scenes, subtle, additional reasons for bombing Iraq, esp. those theories with little to no evidence. There's plenty of evidence of why Bush didn't go after Saudi Arabia (there's been a book devoted to the Bush-Saudi connection).

Also, Moore may not have known this, any more than I or others knew. It is only being discussed now that the Spygate investigation has come to light (although it did occur to me that getting rid of Iraq would help Israel, and that may have been a factor in the decision to bomb).

[FloridaPat]

2. I think that there are decades of Bush-Saudia Arabia ties that

are easy to find. And with most Americans thinking the 9-11 people were mostly from Saudia Arabia or Iraq, the movie was an easy sell.

I don't think the public is ready for a sniff at Israel yet. And I don't think their ready for "tin hat" theory on any connection with 9-11 and Bush people or Israel.

Maybe when Kerry gets in and we get a real 9-11 commission, some of the truth will come out. But then again I'm still waiting on the Warren Commission.

[Must_B_Free]

16. I think they are suddeny ready to start sniffing

spy in the Pentagon?

[babylon_system]

3. In this climate, it's easier to smear Arabs than Jews

If Moore exposed Bush Administration / PNAC ties to Zionism and Israel, he would be accused of gross anti-semitism. Plus, it's a charge that would stick to Democrats too.

Israel is the last sacred cow in US politics - and not coincidentally, the central cause of 9/11 and the War on Islam.

[TexasBushwhacker]

12. Don't forget Moore's objective

The reason Moore made F 9/11 was to oust Bush.

[soothsayer]

4. Because we're all terrified of Israel...! n/t

[Liberal_Dog]

5. Do You Think F911 Would Have Seen The Light Of Day...

if Michael Moore had even remotely fingered Isreal?

I sure don't.

[OHswingvoter]

6. In defense of Isreal,

we choose our foreign policy that favors them and we get back some valuable stuff. The most important thing that we get is intelligence information. Isreal probably has the best intelligence people in the world. They are certainly the best in that part of the world. We need and rely heavily on them. Especially since our intelligence is weak (as far as people on the ground) and now that area of the world is more dangerous for us. The more dangerous the middle east seems to us, the more that we rely on Israel, and the more we favor them, so people hate us more and the middle east gets more dangerous for us. It is one of those vicious cycles. During the cold war we used Israel shamelessly. Reagan had them sell worthless weapons to the Soviets, so that we would know what they have and we would make them waste their money on junk. Isreal does a lot for us. There are a lot of countries that don't help us at all. That is why we give so much to them. But it does result in people hating us. I am glad that I am not president.

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[OHswingvoter]

11. They are good indeed.

And they have spies in EVERY country. And yes. We fund quite a bit of that activity. It is a very tangled web.

Had not heard that about the Al Qaeda cell though...that is definitely new to me.

[K-W]

18. Yah, that is why the neocons love Isreal.

That isnt, however a reason those of us not trying to control the earth should support the united states favoring them in policy.

[OHswingvoter]

23. I see the relationship with Israel as

a simple business relationship with unintended consequences. They give us something that we need (boots on the ground intelligence) and we pay for it (dearly) by selling them weapons cheap and giving them loans etc. One hand washes another and everybody gets what they need. That is why every leader since the inception of Israel has done business with them. Democrats and Republicans both.

We are short sighted in that Israel's neighbors resent us for this. But the more they hate us, the more that we need intelligence from the middle east. But we do get something back.

I don't think this is the postion of the neocons. I think neocons are attached to Isreal for religious reasons not business relationship? That has always been my impression at least. So I am not following your analagy?

[leesa]

7. Good question.

[Cleita]

9. First gulf war.

Saddam attacked Israel. Poppy sent them patriot missiles or something to deflect the attack. I wonder now if any of it was true considering what has happened since then. They had footage. It would be interesting to dig it up if it hasn't "deteriorated" years ago.

[Djinn]

10. what are you an antisemite or something

Just kidding! My guess is that despite the slander he gets Michael Moore isn't really THAT radical - it's a testament to just how far right the discourse in the developed world has become that people think he is and that it probably wasn't worth the flak the movie would cop if he did mention Israel.

One doesn't need to beleive that Israel had anything to do with 9/11 to understand their interest in a compliant puppet regiem in Iraq

[Dehumanizer]

13. Whining of anti-semitism spreads faster than gonorrhea on a college campus

If there was even one line in there about Israel, the entire film would be marginalized as a Jew-bashing clueless liberal extravanganza. As it is, it's only regarded as "clueless" and "liberal". :)

Not to mention, if Moore said anything negative about Israel, it would automatically divide people to like/hate the film depending on their stance on the P/I conflict, thus causing countless current supporters of the film to instead go against it.

I don't care where you stand on the Israel/Palestine issue, the fact of the matter is that the (mis)handling of the whole Israel situation on the US side is indeed the central cause of the War on Terror.

But the perverse goals of the PNAC as it pertains to the desires of Israel can't be mentioned. Bleh.

[U4ikLefty]

14. Moore focuses on way more than Saudi Arabia.

He does point to "business" links between not only the Bushes but the American economy as a whole. This was to show that we treated the royals with kid gloves despite an attack supposedly done by Saudis...and possibly plotted by Bin Laden in particular.

Most of the movie was about other stuff. Like how Bush manipulated a fearful/pliable public into a no-win war in Iraq & the mess they have made of all this.

[rucky]

15. One more angle would've taken the film...

from compelling to convoluted.

he left out alot of angles for the sake of clarity.

[Zan_of_Texas]

17. I think it's a legitimate question.....

mostly because that was the one substantive criticism I had of the movie after I saw it.

Not even a mention? To me, the role of the Office of Special Plans in cooking the intelligence is crucial to understanding how we were dragged into the war. The CIA is not blameless in 9-11 or the Iraq intell, but the Office of Special Plans gets its own little pedestal in those to blame. And, it's stocked with neocons closely associated with Israel.

In a more perfect world, he would have at least mentioned it. In a more perfect world, he would have made it clear that Cheney/Perle/Wolfowitz et al. have undue (and tragic) influence on foreign policy.

Of course, in a more perfect world, we could go watch comedies at the movies and read fiction and laugh at funny things and not send our kids to war and not wonder if any of us will have food and medical care in the future and not wonder if any our votes will count.

[pinto]

19. Money....Saudi money. n/t

[agincourt]

20. Too much material

Moore would have to do 4-5 documentaries to really cover what's all there.

[Q]

21. Probably because most of the hikackers were SAUDI...

...as is bin Laden.

[NecessaryOnslaught]

22. Yes, the living hijackers, using fake passports, were saudi.

http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2001/09/23/widen23.xml
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-092101probe.story
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/1559151.stm
http://www.cnn.com/2001/US/09/21/inv.id.theft/