Bob KERREY Just Said F9/11 Was "Dishonest"

[UTUSN]

Asshole. Oh, and he said he hasn't SEEN it, and WON'T see it.

He's an idiot. He's a vet, I'm a vet, HE's an IDIOT.

[movonne]

1. If they think it is a lie why don't they come out and prove different..

like we are doing to the not so swift vets.

[The_Casual_Observer]

2. Big talker, but it's all talk

and no action. Tough guy at 9/11 hearings but he has no balls. He is a sellout.

[SaveElmer]

3. Yeah that was pretty disappointing

Equated F/911 with the SwiftBoat ads...

You can bet with commentary like that he will be every Right Wing commentator's favorite Democrat

[krkaufman]

26. Well, no...

... Zell Miller's got a heckuva head-start on him.

[Rose Siding]

4. He hasn't seen it but it's "dishonest"?

Hoo, boy, weren't we lucky to have a mind like that on the commission!?

[SoCalDem]

5. Millions of people will disagree with him, but THEY will not be on tv..

He is a disappointment to me.. Shoots his mouth off and seems to be a bit of an asshole..

He's a lot like Breaux..can't count on him..

[buff2]

6. Bob Kerrey is a freakin NUTCASE!

That poor bastard lost more than a leg in vietnam. He's a few sandwiches short of a picnic. I can't stand that two faced jerk. Maybe he'll show up at the repuke convention with sellout Zell. It wouldn't surprise me in the least. I am so sick of these damn repukes in dems clothing. :puke:

[goclark]

8. ROTFL "sandwiches short of a picnic"

I haven't heard that one before!

[Comicstripper]

7. CHRIST

You people need to calm down!
Geez...one comment by a guy expressing his opinion and you go CRAZY!
You preach tolerance and free speech, but you don't show it!
The man thinks the movie is biased. Big deal.
We shouldn't hate a guy for disagreeing on one little thing. Kerrey has been a great critic of the Bush administration. It is okay for people to have different opinions, withing the same party, and even within the same ideology.
christ in a wig, folks, calm down.

[anti_shrub]

11. Of course he hasn't SEEN the movie

Commenting on something you haven't seen as if you had seen it is very Swiftboatian....

[Cha]

20. "Swiftboatian" I like that!

And anybody who says it's "dishonest" and hasn't seen ..doesn't have ANY validity.

[leesa]

12. zThe MAN hasn't SEEN the movie. Kerry has been an asshole for a long time

YOU need to learn more about him. YOU need to calm down.

[onecitizen]

15. He said that about Kerry?

what the hell is wrong with these Dems anyway? I heard another Dem (one I had never heard of)is supporting bush and wants to be invited to speak at the convention!

[Comicstripper]

16. Excuse me

I know about him. I don't need to calm down.
You all are just as partisan as the right-wing nuts. You care about who's right instead of what's right.
You have not read "Michael Moore is a Big Fat Stupid White Man". you magically know how stupid it is. and i'm sure it is stupid. but you haven't read it (you personally may have, but most people here haven't). Yes, it's always better to see/read/hear something before you judge it, but it's also possible to make reasonable judgements about things without experienceing them firsthand.
I saw the movie twice. I liked it alright. It's certainly worth seeing. i knew most of the information (im sure you all did, too), but it's a movie that is certainly worth seeing. That being said, i don't think michael moore is an objective journalist. he's not trying to be. Kerrey may prefer a more non-biased type of documentary.
Don't hate someone because they disagree with you on the integrity of an author/filmmaker. there are more important isues. we liberals are going to pick ourselves apart. we're a great bunch, but we can be very stubborn. that's fine, but not when it hurts what you're aiming for.

[lanparty]

27. There is a difference ...

... between an honest polemic containing FACTS and bald face lies.

Moore:
Honest, over-the-top, confrontational, humorous, fat, biased, accurate.

Swift Boat Captains Against Kerry:
Liars, funded by Bush campaign. INVOLVED with the campaign. Violating campaign finance law.

[Comicstripper]

35. You're right

But that's irrelevant. It was an example. I'm just trying to say there's a double standard here.

[lanparty]

48. There IS no double standard ...

And EVERYONE is biased.

The standard is whether someone is being accurate. Michael Moore was VERY constrained in his polemic. He could have went WAAAAY further.

I've found people's criticism of Moore to be baseless and foolish. Let me explain. I READ all the Bowling for Columbine criticism BEFORE seeing the movie. And I found it reasonable and put off seeing the movie.

THEN, I saw the movie on cable. And I discovered that the criticisms were completely inaccurate. They COMPLETELY mischaracterized Moore's work.

I look at F9/11 critics in the same light. The criticisms are all the same shallow, misleading and inaccurate variety.

Moore is a simple presenter of facts. He draws some serious questions from those facts. The most serious is the connection made between the Bush and the Saudis. However, the kicker is that unlike right wing polemics, he doesn't answer his own questions. He doesn't TELL you what to think. He guides you down a path and lets you make your OWN decision.

Finally, I would say that Michael Moore works inevitably prompt one to ask more questions than HE did. And THIS is what the reich wing is most afraid of. They are afraid of a skeptical, questioning public. They play the role of information magicians and make all the loose ends magically merge together. Nothing to see here, move along.

Moore MAKES you think. He doesn't draw ANY conclusions for you. This is the difference between a wise man and a charletan. He realizes that questioning will create thousands of new Michael Moore and wake up countless individuals who have been hypnotized into a sleeping stupidity that doesn't fit their real character.

[Comicstripper]

50. Good points

sorry. i just thought everyone here was overreacting.
i dont think moore was dishonest. everything in there was a fact.

[RivetJoint]

37. I can NOT believe

you are calling a WAR HERO an asshole! :-)

[JohnKleeb]

38. you mean Kerrey not Kerry

People confuse them a lot, though personally, I'd prefer John over Bob anyday. I think Kerrey was ignorant to say what he said honestly.

[gumby]

14. Count me out

I don't "preach" tolerance and free speech.

[Carolina]

53. I hear ya

I have no tolerance for assholes. Bob Kerrey is an asshole!

[Mel]

17. I could understand your telling people

to calm down if Kerrey had actually watched the movie and spoke his mind.
How can Kerrey know if it's biased if he hasn't seen it? That's the big deal it isn't a little thing.
Doesn't it make you wonder about his ability to think critically and just how he went about viewing information when he sat on the 9-11 Commission?

Kerrey is free to speak all he wants but if he puts his foot in his mouth he can expect to be called out on the carpet for it. For me it has nothing to do with hate if you say, "I didn't watch the movie or read the whatever" and claim it's bias then you have to suck it up and take it. Democrats don't walk in lock step just because someone has that D behind their name and we don't suffer fools gladly.

[Comicstripper]

18. are you saying the film isn't biased?

[Cha]

22. Documentaries are SUPPOSED to have

the view of the documentarian come through. Roger Ebert explained this in his review of F9/11.

Who cares if it's biased? It's Michael Moore's opinion.

bob kerrey should see the doc and then comment on it.

[Mel]

32. No

what I'm saying if Kerrey wants to say the movie is bias that's fine but he has not watched the movie so he's being intellectually dishonest.

Tolerance is good but in this case tolerance is not about letting his comments slide when he's not thinking critically.

I don't have to tolerate Kerrey's lame critical thinking skills and it leads me to look at him with a more critical eye.

[BOHICA06]

25. Looks like they're eating their dead tonight!

Keep your fingers away from their mouths!!!

[dansolo]

30. Biased is not the same as dishonest

Michael Moore readily admits his bias. He doesn't try to hide it. That doesn't make it dishonest. I used to be a big admirer of Bob Kerrey, but he has been a real disappoinment lately.

[Kid_A]

33. THANK YOU!

I agree completely. We criticize the other side for immediately disowning and discrediting their own people when they veer away from the party line, and then some people do the exact same thing when a Democrat expresses an opinion counter to that of the majority of the party.

And it's not like Bob Kerrey pulled a Zell Miller and endorsed Bush or anything. He just said he didn't like the movie. So the fuck what! If the Democratic party is truly one of inclusion, then we can't react with the same kneejerk responses that the right uses to answer dissention in the ranks.

[HFishbine]

34. "he didn't like the movie."

And I don't like Indiana either. I've never been there, but that's my opinion.

[Kid_A]

43. Of course he should see it first, but that's not really the point here.

The point is that we shouldn't be so quick to turn on our own people when they say something unpopular.

And although I don't think people should judge a movie without having seen it first, there have been numerous news stories about F9/11, from both perspectives, and that would make it easier to judge blindly than most movies. I'm not saying Kerrey's in the right here, but I don't think he going by the "Michael Moore made it so it must be full of lies" rationale that conservatives use.

[xray s]

9. Current gross is $130 million

I guess people will make up their own minds

[Cha]

23. $130 Million and counting!

[Classical_Liberal]

10. Did he mention anything specific to back this up?

? DLC politicians like him like to kick lefties then extort from them. This is why many of us are trying to replace them in leadership positions.

[NRaleighLiberal]

13. Saw that too - plus another shocker from CNN tonight

What a disappointing end to a promising news day, due to media dropping the ball in many cases...aside from Kerrey busy kissing Scarborough's ass and making that stupid statement about F911 being "dishonest to the president" despite admitting never have seen it (give me a break) - we have Bill limp-poll Schneider, when asked by Aaron Brown what the pukes need to do at the convention, said "recreate the post-911 atmosphere when he had nearly complete support all over the world"...again, give me a break!

I continue to think that though things occasionally look promising, the general dynamics are stacked against us - meaning public stupidity, apathy, right wing smear tactics and the shameful success of such an approach, the lemming mentality of the country, the hypocrisy of the religious right also being the selfish ignorant oafs.....what a dark time we are in.

[Cha]

24. Yeah, get that fucking magic

wand out and "recreate the post-911 atmosphere when he had nearly complete support all over the world"!

Cause that's the only way they're gonna do it.

[lanparty]

28. Ah we know whats going to happen now

All the pundits are going to say 'Kerry says Fahrenheit 9/11 Dishonest'.

Same old story, mislead, mislead, mislead!!!!

[GreenPartyVoter]

19. I think it is dishonest to issue an opinion of something you know nothing

about.

[Aidoneus]

21. Seeing as how it is coming from a war criminal and murderer,

excuse me if I don't put much stock in his admittedly ignorant views.

It is dishonest, but not in the way I suspect he intends.

[0rganism]

29. Typical confused Democrat. Doesn't know who his friends are.

Somehow, Bob Kerrey has convinced himself that the mass media will give him a fair shake. C'mon, unca bob, you know better than that.

[eleny]

31. I saw that, too, and found it disturbing

He didn't see it, so how could he have anything to say that would be relevant. Under the circumstances, it would have been entirely credible for him to just say he hadn't seen it and refrain from commenting.

Kerrey does seem to enjoy blathering on. I picture him opening the fridge in the middle of the night and doing 10 minutes of shtick.

[Mad_Dem_X]

36. He hasn't seen it...so how can he judge????

When someone critisizes F9/11, the first question I ask is, "Have you seen it?" If the answer's no, I just disregard whatever they have to say, 'cause it's clear they're just repeating what someone else has said.

[sampsonblk]

39. What a BOZO!!!

He just legitimized the right-wing smear campaign against the film by joining in with them!

[Q]

40. He's not an idiot...he's a right wing propagandist...

- He's no better than any RWinger who labels F911 as 'dishonest' but hasn't seen it or can't give specific details of the so-called dishonesty on Moore's part.

- This is hit and run politics: smear someone or something with a 'sound bite' and never explain the reasoning behind the 'opinion'. This is what the RWing pundits like Rush do all the time and it's beneath a Democratic politician.

- He's a YES MAN...put on the commission to protect the status quo.

[Malva Zebrina]

41. From what I saw of Bob Kerrey during the 911 hearings

he came off to me as a bloviating self promoting wannabe.

[fujiyama]

42. He's a wildcard

Always has been one.

I thought his defense of Kerry's war record was impressive, forceful, and effective.

His condemning of F-9/11 is pretty foolish though, especially if he hasn't seen it. I also don't see any equivalent between the disgraceful Swift Boat ads and the film.

I would be more inclined to listen to what SPECIFIC criticisms and differences he has with the film, rather than a blanket condemnation.

[chromotone]

44. In all fairness, couldn't Kerrey be between a rock and a hard place?

After all, he was on the Bush-approved 9/11 Commission.

Michael Moore nailed the reasons for and the bumbling after 9/11. The Bush-approved 9/11 Commission did nothing about identifying who was responsible, preferring to lay blame for "intelligence failures" and "confusion among government agencies."

For Kerrey to say anything positive about Moore's historic movie, would be to confess that the 9/11 Commission was merely a whitewash.

(But, yes, he should have seen it before commenting on it)

[Eloriel]

46. Which would pretty much make him a coward, wouldn't it?

No surprise where political matters are concerned.

[jackstraw45]

45. The Democratic Party needs to get it's HEAD out of it's ASS

This is the most winnable election in my lifetime yet we have a DEMOCRAT dissing a film he HASN'T SEEN that exposes this criminal administration.

WTF!?!?

[oasis]

47. Bob Kerrey and John McCain can both go to hell. They want to keep

Bush in the White House because he's a warmongering bastard just like them.

[Hubert Flottz]

49. He meant the 9/11 commission was totally bogus I'm sure!

He just said the wrong thang like Bush does all the time! America knows that the 9/11 commission was a set up thing laced with Bush lovers and hand picked ass kissers! Bush was dead set against the 9/11 commission until he got to pick every swingin' Richard on it! Now that it's a hand picked organ of the GOP Bush loves it! It's like every other placebo investigation since Bush TOOK office, a total sham, made for TV viewers with weak minds!

[depakid]

51. Considering that he's admitted to being a war criminal

somehow it doesn't surprise me that he wouldn't want to see it-

[Carolina]

52. he's a self-serving traitor

this same theme came up a few nights ago when one DUer was praising Kerrey's perfomance on one the pundit shitfests. Many others of us however said that Kerrey was NOT to be trusted. So, this is one more piece of evidence against that Zell-lite POS!

[robbedvoter]

54. Kerrey never saw a wat he didn't love -" damn you MM for trashing war!

The obsessive Clinton hating a*hole was proud of himself for supporting every war that came his voting way - just or not, so how can a movie exposing the lies be "honest" in his book?