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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 06:44 AM
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Explaining the 87 Billion Thing (It Works)
The quick explanation -- "Bush is a lying weasel."

The longer one:

Let me give you a history lesson. (I always start this way.) Bush Sr, no matter what else you say about him, was a foreign policy genius. (everyone nods) In Gulf War 1, he went to all of our allies and got their support for kicking Saddam out of Kuwait. This meant other countries were supplying troops, but it also meant the countries that weren't supplying troops (like Japan and Saudi Arabia) agreed to give MONEY to cover the expenses of the war. At the end of the war, the US taxpayers didn't end up paying anything FINANCIALLY -- in fact, we may have MADE some money on the deal.

Fast forward to nowadays. Saddam is playing his typical games; that makes sense, because he needs to do stuff like that as a dictator to stay in power. George comes to Congress and says, "look, we're playing poker with the inspectors, I need to be able to back my bluff and threaten to go 'all in.' Of course I would never actually do that unless it was the last resort AND I had the support of our allies." Congress agrees BECAUSE IT MAKES SENSE and they haven't figured out yet that George would behave like a lying weasel over putting the country into a war. George "bluffs" and wins, Saddam lets the weapons inspectors do whatever they want, saves face -- and then suddenly GEORGE ORDERS THE WEAPONS INSPECTORS OUT OF THE COUNTRY BEFORE THEY ARE DONE AND INVADES IRAQ!!!

Now, our allies think we're nuts because we don't need to waste money on bullets (among other things!) when the weapons inspectors are working, so they refuse to add troops, AND they refuse to give us money. George didn't expect that because I guess he didn't realize actual work was involved in getting our allies on board with money and troops, so after a bit he comes back to Congress and asks for US money to keep the invasion running.

One of Congress's jobs is to watch over the country's checkbook. I'm not going to argue with anyone about how well they do that, but the bottom line was there were two final versions of "how to pay the bills in Iraq" (since no one else was helping out because George's people, having flunked Diplomacy 101, were busying calling them "cheese eating surrender monkeys" and "old Europe"): Option one was to give the Pentagon a "blank check" for $87 Billion. Option two was a "blank check" for $67 Billion, with a "show us the receipts" option on the remaining $20 Billion, which wasn't needed immediately. Kerry and Edwards voted for the $67 Billion & Receipts + $20 Billion. Now Bush is saying "they didn't support the troops" which is a load of nonsense because the only question was how the bills were going to get paid -- cash, check or credit card! And if you don't think Kerry and Edwards were making the right decision, then you should pay attention to the latest Halliburton headlines: They've "lost" the receipts for $1.8 BILLION dollars (OOPS!) and the Pentagon is PAYING THEM ANYWAY!!!

The whole thing can be explained in under three minutes, and I usually toss stuff in about sound bytes versus reality. People get it, and then they usually get annoyed at the misleading crap they've been being fed. :)
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 06:48 AM
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1. well done! n/t
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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 07:29 AM
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6. Thank you!
I've converted several "strong" Republicans with this explanation. One of the nicest I met was a woman who was extremely concerned about her two (Marine) sons. I also took the time to explain how Kerry is going to treat the military people better (benefits, etc.), and understood what it meant to get shot at. She's an awesome lady, and I think I opened her eyes; it felt good. :)
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davhill Donating Member (854 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 06:50 AM
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2. Good Job
We need to do less name calling and more of this type of careful explaining what is,to those of us who have been paying attention, obvious.
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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 07:30 AM
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7. I agree (and thank you!). n/t
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kanrok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 06:50 AM
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3. Very nice
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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 07:30 AM
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8. Thank you! n/t
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HootieMcBoob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 06:54 AM
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4. nice synopsis
I like that a lot. This is what WE need to do when we're talking to folks. The thing that has me royally pissed is why aren't Kerry's campaign people doing that when they're asked about it on TV? And, why don't the TV talking heads do the same thing? They continually allow Republican spokesfolks to get away with spreading this garbage when it's so easy to knock down.:mad:
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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 07:35 AM
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9. I'm not sure.
(And thank you for the compliment, btw.) Some of what I use is easy sound byte stuff -- "lost the receipts" is a favorite -- and it doesn't take long. I also get a really good response to the "cheese eating surrender monkeys" line as a "duh! don't say this to people you want money and/or blood from" which always generates a lot of positive support. I'm starting to think the Kerry people are "too smart" to remember how TO TALK TO PEOPLE!!! ARGH!!! They are so used to THINKING (which I love, by the way), they forget how to CAMPAIGN. Can we get them a training video or something??? :)
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stellanoir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 07:25 AM
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5. nice. . .
Edited on Wed Aug-25-04 07:28 AM by stellanoir
for the even shorter attention span theater. . .

The bill had enough votes and was going to pass anyway and the funds were not immediately required for the troops.

A vote against the 87 billion was a protest vote against the way the bill was being funded and would probably be wasted and looted with no accountability whatsover. i.e. ..well over a million to Chalabi, Halliburton's lost billions, 1.8 billion to train Iraqi forces (80% of whom have now deserted and are now fighting against the occupation), etc.

All in all, a very sound investment of your and your kids', and their kids' tax dollars.

Beyond that. . .

Even with that bill fully funded, the DOD still sent our troops over there without enough flack jackets, armed vehicles, and sufficient training.
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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 07:41 AM
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10. Sorry, I don't like this one.
It makes sense, but when you say "Kerry's vote wasn't needed" it means the same thing as "they didn't need Bush to make decisions that morning on 9/11" which NEGATES his importance as a Senator. If you make it a CHOICE between responsible and irresponsible, it shows he's doing his job (which he was). And of course the fact people were holding BAKE SALES to get flak jackets for the reserves is a wonderful point, but walking gently on the DOD stuff is a necessity because overall they did an amazing job of making sure "an Army moves on its stomach" was being taken care of -- they weren't perfect, but they were AMAZING. (And thank you for the compliment, btw.) :)
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 08:05 AM
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11. I'm loving it!
Ida, ya done good.

And you are correct, lets stick to the main issue: boosh lead us astray, right into Iraq, at a cost of who knows how many lives, and who knows how many billions of dollars. Kerry wouldn't have done that. Kerry will make a better leader for America in the war on terror.

Ida, if ya ain't working already, get a job on a campaign. Heck, I'd hire ya if I was running.
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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 08:30 AM
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12. Thank you! I just told my husband I would love to do that!
I just don't know who to contact for the job I want, or how to convince them I'd be perfect (based on my "extensive" (roll of eyes) experience). I've got some good ideas of how I'd like to help the campaign, and what I'd like to do in support of the Kerry administration once Kerry is in office, but, frankly, I'm a small potatoes person in the world of politics. :(
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ProfessorGAC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 08:33 AM
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13. Very Neat & Concise
Good job, ida. One other thing to remember is that the WHOLE $87B was OFF-BUDGET! These guys had a war plan and no money in the budget for it.

So, this supplemental money was obviously needed because of what you said regarding the unanticipated refusal of allies to participate.

If they expected the allies to balk, they would have budgeted for it. They didn't. Ergo, your analyis must be correct.
The Professor
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IdaBriggs Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Aug-25-04 08:36 AM
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14. Thank you!
What a nice compliment! :) Ida
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