Anyone care? WaPo: Iraqi Teens Abused at Abu Ghraib

[NightOwwl]

An Army investigation into the Abu Ghraib prison scandal has found that military police dogs were used to frighten detained Iraqi teenagers as part of a sadistic game, one of many details in the forthcoming report that were provoking expressions of concern and disgust among Army officers briefed on the findings.

Earlier reports and photographs from the prison have indicated that unmuzzled military police dogs were used to intimidate detainees at Abu Ghraib, something the dog handlers have told investigators was sanctioned by top military intelligence officers there. But the new report, according to Pentagon sources, will show that MPs were using their animals to make juveniles -- as young as 15 years old -- urinate on themselves as part of a competition.

link: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A27048-2004Aug23.html?nav=hcmodule

[LibraLabSoldier]

1. This story is about the breakdown of discipline

in a military unit. Every bit of leadership in that unit needs to be put out of the Army. You dont keep something like that a secret......

[wellstone_democrat]

3. Amen

no "a few bad apples"
no " a few out of control soldiers"
those are excuses and distractions



This was systematic and it was not something that was secret. This was allowed, encouraged and wouldn't surprise me if it was ordered. This cesspool was a product of a failure in leadership and a failure to carry out established military protocol for the treatment of prisoners. I was in this career field, nothing like this would have been tolerated. This fish rotted from the head down...

[JSJ]

4. partial agreement- culpability goes to the top, rumsfeld, bush, meyers

The torture plan was vetted by DoD lawyers and Bush's own counsel, Gonzales- before the invasion.

[underseasurveyor]

5. I think it goes beyond military

It's a re-breaking down of humanity and it's sickening, disheartening, and sad that after all this time we still haven't evolved to know better? People don't need manuals and training and an overseer to know that raping and torturing human beings and children is wrong.

My stomach knots and I can feel the tears of disbelief and rage welling up and my chest feels like it's going to burst with frustration. I want to bring those children to the save haven of my home until all this ugliness is past and they can go home knowing that not all Americans are vile evil torturers and rapists like this administration has led them to believe and is proving it to them over and over and over again.

No it shouldn't be kept a secret and every head, every stripe, every bar above Lyndie England to the bastard commander in chief, should roll :nuke:

A couple weeks ago another member of my family was sent off to Iraq. As I hugged him and said good-bye I told him, Please while you're over there, remember your humanity and that they are human beings with families and children they love, just the same as you.

[ClintonTyree]

2. Oh, it's just..................

nothing worse than a typical Frat House hazing. :eyes: How does Limbaugh sleep at night? Alone now, I guess.

[Cat Atomic]

6. On very expensive sheets.

[NightOwwl]

7. "one of many details in the forthcoming report "

Forthcoming report, eh? I'm very interested in this "forthcoming report". Could this be the nail in the coffin we've been waiting for?

[LibraLabSoldier]

8. No. They are gonna stick it in the old machine and hit

SPIN

[NightOwwl]

10. I have hope

because 1) it has finally been picked up by American media, and 2) Seymour Hersh's book that will corroborate these events, is being released on September 13.

[bluestateguy]

9. These acts of abuse warrant prison sentences

One point not made in this report (unless I am missing something here) is this claim by Seymour Hersh that an Iraqi boy was sodomized by a US personnell. He claims to have seen (or maybe he has in his possession?) a tape of this incident. That would represent a Nazi-style war crime, which in my view would warrant an execution of the guilty parties.

[NightOwwl]

11. See my post #10.

Hersh's book may have the evidence we are looking for.

[bluestateguy]

12. Well, OK

but the harsh reality is that too many people just won't believe it if that tape is not released. A book is fine, but without that tape you just allow the apologists for this Administration to conduct a smear campaign against Hersh, which unfortunatley, many people will believe.

[LibraLabSoldier]

13. That is the maximum penalty under the UCMJ

for rape, and forcible sodomy. Personally, I would love to be the one to pull the trigger. Oh, we also still have firing sqad as an option, although it hasnt been used in decades.