John Kerry Owes an Apology to the Republican President

[louis c]

Herbert Hoover.

On many occasions, Senator Kerry has said that the Bush Administration is the worst since Herbert Hoover (1929-1932)

I agree the Hoover presided over the loss of American jobs, just like Bush. Hoover favored big business over the working guy, just like Bush.

However,after all, Hoover never lied to the American people to start a war and didn't burn bridges with our allies by insulting them. Bush has done both. Hoover also didn't outsource American jobs (probably because he didn't think of it).

In addition, George Bush has taken a budget surplus and turned it into a record deficit. Unlike the balanced budget that Hoover left Roosevelt, Bush's deficit will hinder any chance at a recovery that a new administration will attempt.

Unfortunately for John Kerry, we don't have a past President bad enough to compare against George Bush. In fact, George Bush will be the new standard by which all future failed Presidencies will be compared.

George W. Bush: Last in War, Last in Peace, and a Heartless piece of shit to his countrymen.

[Piperay]

1. I agree

chimp is the worst bar none. x(

[jdj]

2. Worst President ever, a la Molly Ivins.

He's 2nd to Hoover in most of the numbers, except the ones in which he's 2nd to his father.

[Eric J in MN]

14. I think that it was Helen Thomas who called George W. the worst ever nt

nt

[jdj]

20. Yes, I stand corrected. Not that Molly didn't say it, but Helen

undoubtedly said it first.

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[Kierkegaard]

3. Agreed

One day, Bugsy will be an utterly despicable villain in American history books.

[HEFFA]

4. And GWB, ass clown that he is, owes one to the whole world.

Although, you do raise an interesting point.

[Trillo]

5. Bush: a hybrid of Hoover and Harding. nt

[louis c]

8. If you're interested in Bush being hybrid

check out this link of mine from a month ago

Worst of all worlds

link


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=132&topic_id=553308

[louis c]

16. The above link is now working

Worst of all worlds compares the one or two major failures in every administration from Wilson on up, in my opinion.

George Bush has done them all.

Check out this link (above reply)

[Trillo]

28. All the worst....

I think only time will tell what historians say about the W Bush presidency, but I have no doubts that he's the worst president since I've been alive, and therefore this election is THE MOST IMPORTANT ONE of my life.

The deficit alone boggles my mind. He's turned our contitutional rights on end. The list goes on and on....

I sure hope that facial expression he wears is the meds he's reported to be on and isn't because of the Black Box Voting "problem."

[aquart]

6. True!

[DaveSZ]

9. You can't blame Bush entirely for outsourcing of jobs

The Democrats gave us Nafta and the WTO.

I'm with you on all the other stuff though.

[aquart]

29. But the Republicans are in power now, RIGHT?

So why didn't they stop it? They certainly abrogated every other treaty they didn't like.

George had power for four years to destroy land, sea, and air and he could not save one fucking job?

Check your logic for flaws.

[louis c]

33. kick

[Cat Atomic]

7. Bush will go down in history as a product of the television culture.

He's a creature of television himself, apparently having learned everything he knows from Short Attention Span Theater. He never would've been elected without television, either. He's just too obviously stupid in print, or even radio.

Bush is a product of our dumbed-down, consumer society. He's a symptom of a much bigger problem.

Anyway, yep- good point on Hoover. It's just so damn pathetic, innit?

[Zynx]

10. Herbert Hoover also told Hitler to shut up in a private meeting in 1938.

Hoover was contacted by the US embassy in Berlin in 1938 to engage in a private meeting with Hitler. Hoover initially had no intention of doing so, but the embassy insisted and so he did.

In the meeting, after Hoover mentioned the word "Jew" in a passing reference, Hitler stood up out his chair and began ranting about how Jews were responsible for Germany's problems and how they were evil among other things. Hoover was not one to suffer fools and told Hitler to sit down and said, "That's enough. I'm not interested in your views."

http://www.picturehistory.com/find/p/7782/mcms.html

Granted, he wasn't president then, but it still gets high marks in my book.

[onecitizen]

11. I'm glad I read the whole post...........

cause I was ready to say: "bite me"! Glad I didn't have to. :-)

[El Supremo]

12. Hoover has a least one thing he accomplished that was far better than *.

Hoover did an excellent job rebuilding Europe after WWI. His reputation was outstanding before he became president. * failed at everything then he cheated the shareholders of Harken Energy and cheated the tax payers of Arlington Texas.

[Zynx]

13. Hoover was a great man and an ineffective president.

Bush is a horrible man and a lousy president.

[fujiyama]

15. I think Kerry has said

he was the worst JOBS president since Hoover.

I don't think he said he was the worst president overall.

[louis c]

17. No nit picking

you get the point

[fujiyama]

18. Not nit picking

I'd take Hoover over Bush any day.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

19. Don't Make Me Do This Again

Allright, you kids, I warned you.

I really have to object to your comparison of Herbert Hoover to Bush. He may not have been successful as a president, but Hoover had quite a few accomplishments in his life. Here is an excerpt from his bio:

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Herbert Hoover

Son of a Quaker blacksmith, Herbert Clark Hoover brought to the Presidency an unparalleled reputation for public service as an engineer, administrator, and humanitarian.

Born in an Iowa village in 1874, he grew up in Oregon. He enrolled at Stanford University when it opened in 1891, graduating as a mining engineer.

He married his Stanford sweetheart, Lou Henry, and they went to China, where he worked for a private corporation as China's leading engineer. In June 1900 the Boxer Rebellion caught the Hoovers in Tientsin. For almost a month the settlement was under heavy fire. While his wife worked in the hospitals, Hoover directed the building of barricades, and once risked his life rescuing Chinese children.

One week before Hoover celebrated his 40th birthday in London, Germany declared war on France, and the American Consul General asked his help in getting stranded tourists home. In six weeks his committee helped 120,000 Americans return to the United States. Next Hoover turned to a far more difficult task, to feed Belgium, which had been overrun by the German army.

After the United States entered the war, President Wilson appointed Hoover head of the Food Administration. He succeeded in cutting consumption of foods needed overseas and avoided rationing at home, yet kept the Allies fed.

After the Armistice, Hoover, a member of the Supreme Economic Council and head of the American Relief Administration, organized shipments of food for starving millions in central Europe. He extended aid to famine-stricken Soviet Russia in 1921. When a critic inquired if he was not thus helping Bolshevism, Hoover retorted, "Twenty million people are starving. Whatever their politics, they shall be fed!"

After capably serving as Secretary of Commerce under Presidents Harding and Coolidge, Hoover became the Republican Presidential nominee in 1928.
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Rescuing children ... feeding the hungry, regardless of their politics ... these are accomplishments anyone could be proud of.

How can you compare him to Bush? An apology is called for.

[Zynx]

22. Don't forget that he told Hitler to shut up in 1938.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=2251045&mesg_id=2251124&page=

[louis c]

23. I notice that

among all your listed accomplishments for Hoover, there are none from 1929-1932. Those, of course, just happen to be the years that he was President.

He was still better than Bush, I agree.

[SpaceCatMeetsMars]

31. There's also the Hoover Dam

I saw a show about it and they said he was actually the guy that paved the way for the dam. There was grumbling about naming it after him because he was very unpopular by the time they built it, but they felt he should get the credit.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

34. Hoover Dam

I guess it makes sense that a civil engineer, which is what Herbert Hoover was before entering politics, would see the wisdom in building a dam at that location.

On the other hand, that makes him a fish killer.

Fish Killer! Fish Killer!

Wasn't it nice when we had presidents with intelligence?

[Cleita]

24. So is John Kerry going make Bush apologize to the

American people after he takes office? Is he going to charge him with crimes as well? Am I hoping for too much?

[wolfgirl]

25. I thought you

meant he had to apologize to Al Gore, the elected president, not the pResident!

[lanparty]

26. James Buchanan ...

He let the south seceed without any action. Who knows how many lives would have been spared if Buchanan had asserted presidential authority and armed against insurrection so that they were prepared to put it down quickly.

Taft, Harding, Coolidge and Hoover probably run the gambit as some of our worst presidents. Hoover was probably the worst president to date. The definition of insanity is trying the same failed policies over and over again when they demostrably do not work. Hoover did more of the same as Coolidge. Slash regulation, cut taxes, more lasseize-fair politics. More spoils for robber-barrons and chareltons.

Among these, Bush may very well be the worst. These other presidents in the past had fatal flaws that impacted the country. While these other men had 2 or 3, Bush has covered the spread:

1) Corruption
2) Poor Economy
3) Killing Americans needlessly


There is an old joke that told the best way to make a small fortune in Israel is to start with a large one. Well, this is all that Bush has done. He started with the prosperity stewarded by Clinton and delivered a disaster. Building a tower ten feet high doesn't count if you started with a 100 foot tower.

Political pundits give their sage wisdom about how Bush I lost because he abandoned his christian conservative base. What they're loath to bring up is the abysmal shape of the economy teamed with Bush's indifference to human suffering.

George Jr is trying to overcome what HE thinks was his fathers biggest mistake. In the progress, he is DOUBLING his father's mistake. He isn't just saying the economy is OK, he's saying it's "the best ever". Americans aren't THAT DUMB!!!!

If the ballots are counted, it will be Kerry in a landslide.

[Zero Gravitas]

27. Without a doubt

Bush* is the Worst. President. Ever.

[louis c]

30. kick

[Media_Lies_Daily]

32. Actually, Hoover is STILL the worst President ever....

....because he was actually elected to the position.

FratBoy is the first, and worst, unelected dictator.