Will Arabs soon be treated like the Jews were in Nazi Germany?

[kerry-is-my-prez]

Are we going down that road?

It really hit me that Arabs are almost being treated like the Jews were in Nazi Germany. They have been so demonized that a majority of Americans have no concern about them being slaughtered by the thousands. They also have no problem with them being imprisoned for no reason at all or being tortured. I've heard so many people say things like "They ought to just wipe out all of those Arabs." "Who cares that all those Iraqi's got killed or tortured - look at what they've done to us."

So far, there are no "enemy camps" where large numbers of Arabs are being held but there are hundereds of them being held in American prisons - where they are not being given any rights to trials or attorneys. Their families and the media cannot get any access to info about these prisoners.

I know people who are frightened of anyone who looks like they could be Arab. As most of us know - fear leads to hate and prejudice.

The parallels to the U.S. and Nazi Germany are astounding. This administration has NOT gotten that bad - YET. But give them time.

Could the U.S. become the new Nazi Germany... with Arabs the new scapegoat?

[Fescue4u]

1. Proably

I seriously doubt that world will continue to tolerate extremist Islam.

The result will be a huge backlash against regular Muslims and Arabs.

I just cannot imagine this situation continuing for another 100 years, without something really really bad happening.

[Yupster]

18. Agree fescue

If the problem just continues to escalate and in another decade or more, a fundamentalist Islamic group sets off nukes in some western cities, I could see countries like the US, Russia, India saying they've had it, and it could turn into a war against all Muslims. I could see that happening.

[Zorra]

2. First they will come for the liberals, so there will be no one left to

to speak out against their atrocities.

[gumby]

3. The US of A is well down the road of fascism

that resembles Nazism more and more all the time.

While "A-rabs" may now be the first target, the US of A has been schooled for at least 20 years to see "liberals" as the Enemy of the State.

Those "liberal" enemies include feminists, gays, "Hollywood Types," environmentalists and those (minorities and illegal aliens) who take from the "successful," to name just a few.

Weird times we live in.

edit: forgot to include the ACLU, MoveOn and thier "ilk."

[tom_paine]

4. Not EXACTLY like that, that would be bad PR strategy

But so close that a thinking person could scarcely tell the difference.

That, and if the Busheviks are allowed One-Party Unchecked Power, Imperial Enemies will be treated like (but not EXACTLY like-- bad PR is what Rove would say) Soviet Dissidents.

[gumby]

6. "Corporate Communists"

is what I once dubbed the Dub and the Bushavicks.

The Bushavicks have defied traditional political definitions as far as I can understand those terms.

We are seeing a new hybrid version of political category that is a cloning of fascism and communism.

[Comicstripper]

5. Nope

don't be stupid. genocide? the holocaust? are you crazy.
better check those history books.
fascism exists, yes.
but that's not genocide.
for the record, i've always disliked comparing anyone with hitler, with the exception of equally murderous tyrants, and, as much as i disagree with him, bush isn't even close.

[gumby]

7. Google: Oliver North detention camps n/t

[smirkymonkey]

8. YOU had "better check those history books"

1933 - The Nazi party takes power in Germany. Adolf Hitler becomes chancellor,or prime minister of Germany.- Nazis 'temporarily' suspend civil liberties.

1940 (Seven Years Later) -

- Nazis begin deporting German Jews to Poland.

- Jews are forced into ghettos.

- Nazis begin the first mass murder of Jews in Poland.

- Jews are put into concentration camps.

1942 (Nine Years Later)

Nazi officials discuss the 'Final Solution' - their plan to kill all European Jews - to the government officials.

Timeline link - http://www.remember.org/educate/mtimeline.html

2001 - The Republican Party takes power in the United States. George Bush is appointed by the Supreme Court to the office of President of the United States. The Patriot Act 'temporarily' suspends civil liberties.

Check out the timeline and see the progression. There is no limit to where it can lead with 4 more years of the Bush Administration.

The camps are ready and waiting. http://www.rotten.com/library/conspiracy/american-concentration-camps/

"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana (1863 - 1952), The Life of Reason, Volume 1, 1905

[Zorra]

9. Nazis rounded up dissenters long before they rounded up ethnic groups:

1933

Reichstag Fire: Germany’s parliament building is burnt down. Goering claims he has proof that the Communists are responsible. Thousands of anti-Fascists such as Communists, Socialists and Liberals are arrested. Industrialists and big businesses pledge money to the Nazis.

The last Reichstag elections see the Nazis increase their vote to 44 percent. The Communists are banned and the Reichstag passes the Enabling Law – which allows Hitler to make laws without asking the Reichstag.

The first concentration camp is opened in Dachau, near Munich, to jail the Communist Party members. The SS is in charge of the camps.

http://pages.zdnet.com/stanleytech/humanities/history/hitler_timeline.htm

1938

Kristallnacht, also known as Reichskristallnacht, Pogromnacht and in English as The Night of Broken Glass, was a massive nation-wide pogrom in Germany on the night of November 9, 1938 (including early hours of the following day). It was directed at Jewish citizens throughout the country, and was for many observers the first hint that what is now called the Holocaust (of which it was an early event) might be unique in scale in the life of Central and Western Europe.

http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Kristallnacht

[no_hypocrisy]

10. And furthermore, Palestinian families have been living in abject squalor

in camps on the West Bank for decades with no fresh water or sanitation and no economy to speak of. This smacks of ghettos for Arabs.

[Ms. Clio]

11. And that monstrous wall

reminds me of the Warsaw Ghetto.

[Yupster]

19. Very true

It's long past time for these people to be permanently resettled.

In 1945, the Soviets forcibly removed the entire German populations from West Prussia, East Prussia, Pomerania and eastern Silesia -- well over 10 million people.

Those poor families who had lived for centuries in great cities like Breslau, Kolberg, and Konigsberg are not still sitting in refugee camps. They were quickly and permanently resettled. Two of my customers today are those people. Most settled in Germany. Many came to America or other places, but there's no excuse for refugees to still be in refugee camps 35 years later.

[rastignac5]

14. What's that time line supposed to prove?

That we're going to round up Arabs and systematically exterminate them? This thread is pathetic and an insult to the memory of the tragedy that was the holocaust.

[Zorra]

16. No, this thread is pointing out the similarities between the rise of

Hitler and the nazis and the current actions of the Bu$h administration relative to future possibilities based on a pattern.

It is foolish to ignore historical patterns. Bu$h has proven himself to be a murderous killer who lied to Congress and the public in order to invade a sovereign nation without justification, and this has resulted in the deaths of over 10,000 innocent human beings.

Based on this fact alone, comparison with Hitler and speculation about Bu$h's possible future atrocities is fully warranted. However, there are many other similarities between the current republican administration and the Nazi conspiracy of the 1920's and 1930's. If you are not aware of them, I suggest you become informed because the loss of your democracy is impending if Bu$h is re-selected.

I am assuming that you believe that living in a democracy is a desirable thing, of course.

This thread is actually more of an honor to the memory of the holocaust victims and survivors.

Faced with mounting evidence of the rise fascist totalitarianism in the United States, we aim to prevent the possibility of another holocaust by ridding this country of Bu$h, who, like Hitler was, is a violent, aggressive, repressive, and anti-democratic unelected dictator.:-)

[kerry-is-my-prez]

17. It's possible. If we keep going down the path that we're going down.

We need to ensure that a holocaust never happens again to ANY group of people be it Arabs, Gays, Jews, etc. Don't ever think that it can't happen again. History always repeats itself.

With the atmosphere of hatred, fear and paranoia in this country any group of people could be demonized: Right now it's Arabs and Gays.

If you are familiar with the history of Nazism - people tried to warn at the beginning before it really started to turn bad. People scoffed and turned on the people who questioned what was going on.

We must nip this in the bud BEFORE it builds momentum and becomes out of hand.

[smirkymonkey]

21. Oh, for god's sake, I am so tired of that stupid line that

everyone spouts, those who don't want to face the truth about what we are becoming "This thread is pathetic and an insult to the memory of the tragedy that was the holocaust." Don't be such a literalist. It's a ridiculous cop-out.

It would be an insult to the memory of the tragedy that was the holocaust if we did not learn the lessons of totalitarianism, racism, and fascism and continued to allow the progression of of these very same policies, which could very well lead to a tragedy of the exact magnitude and nature of the one perpetrated by the Nazis.

It may not look exactly the same, but it will be just as horrific and deadly unless we put a stop to it this November.

[kerry-is-my-prez]

15. I'm talking about the beginning stages of Nazism.They didn't start carting

people off to concentration camps on day one.

They began to scapegoat and demonize the Jews first. Mixed in propaganda. THEN they "fearmongered" and tried to make it sound like the Jews were dangerous. When they got people frightened and angry THAT'S when they started to tell the people that it was "necessary" to imprison them.

In the beginning, many people thought that they were just sending the Jews away. BY the time people knew that people were being killed - it was too late.

It took years to get the German people to accept and condone the behavior.

[Ms. Clio]

12. I have no doubt that could happen

And fascists like Michelle Malkin will insist that those concentration camps are just for their protection

[Dover]

13. Ironically, that seems to be exactly what's happening in Israel

but I doubt it will take hold here because the majority seems to reject this regime. I hope that will also be true for Israelis, ultimately.

Sharon Betrays Israel's Founders

IHT - By Henry Siegman

Many observers of the Middle East believe "something good is stirring," as an editorial in The Economist put it on July 31. Prime Minister Ariel Sharon of Israel seems to have emerged as the champion of a new pragmatism that challenges the rightist dogmatism of the Likud and the settlers as he seeks to disengage from Gaza. And a newly assertive Palestinian young guard is challenging not only a corrupt entourage around Yasser Arafat but also the leader of the Palestinian national movement himself.

Unfortunately, such optimism is based on a complete misreading of both Israeli and Palestinian realities. Sharon is not about to agree to the most minimal conditions for viable Palestinian statehood. His unshakable resolve to avoid dealing with the Palestinians - even to prevent chaos in the wake of the promised withdrawal from Gaza - and to widen Jewish settlement activity throughout the West Bank gives the lie to such wishful thinking.

..snip..

It is one of the ironies of history that the Jewish people, who were disproportionately involved in struggles for universal human rights and civil liberties - and thought of the Jewish national return to Palestine in terms consistent with those values - should now be supporting policies of a rightist Israeli government that is in danger of changing the Jewish state into a racist enterprise. For if Sharon - with the support of Israelis, world Jewry and the United States - leverages his promised withdrawal from Gaza into an Israeli presence in the West Bank that is impossible to dislodge, a racist enterprise is surely what his policies will produce.

..snip..

It had been an article of faith with the overwhelming majority of Israelis for a long time that their most vital security interests required them to remain in southern Lebanon. They believe the same thing about their presence on the Golan Heights. But since Israel withdrew from southern Lebanon, security along Israel's northern border has improved dramatically, and we now know that Moshe Ya'alon, the Israel Defense Force's chief of staff - like his predecessors - does not believe that the Golan Heights are important for Israel's security.

Sadly, Israel remains there - and in the West Bank - because for its political leaders, and for many Israelis, real estate has become more important than justice, or peace, or the founding principles of Zionism...cont'd

http://www.iht.com/articles/534718.html

[ElsewheresDaughter]

20. it seems to be going in that direction ...where have all the flowers gone?

:cry: