Fieger Vs. Falwell from the Abrams report

[AlCzervik]

I happened to catch these 2 going at each other last night, FU now has a law school and Fieger was on debating the merits, here is one exchange.



ABRAMS:  ... ultimately lawyers—go ahead, Geoffrey...

FIEGER:  It‘s antithetical.  The position (UNINTELLIGIBLE) and believe me, Reverend Falwell, you are identical to the people in the Muslim world that inculcates religion into the law, to its identical.  You just have a different religion than they are and you believe in a different God than they are.  But this is a—the law is secular. 

The First Amendment provides for a separation of church and state.  So as not to inculcate religious beliefs into the fundamental principal of our Constitution.  Therefore, we‘ll separate them.  You want to join them together, conjoin them and that is very dangerous. 

ABRAMS:  Reverend Falwell...

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5758675/

[CarolynEC]

1. That's really the only response we need...

... when someone talks about Falwell.

"How is this guy any different from Osama bin Laden?"

[AlCzervik]

2. I thought Fieger did so well

Out of all the people i've seen debating him, Fieger was hands down the best, put Falwell and FU right in their place.

[nostamj]

3. in two ways...

bin Laden actually believes in his religion

bin Laden is in better physical shape than that bloated gasbag

[devlin radiset]

5. his followers haven't killed ~3000 Americans..?

just a guess...

[Norquist Nemesis]

6. How true!

They're helpting to rack up the numbers on innocent Iraqis instead.

[devlin radiset]

8. then so is/did everyone who voted for the IWR

wanna go down that list?

[Bandit]

27. Do you know what the IWR actually says and does?

It gives Bush* full authority and respponsibilty for going to war. It does not say we the backers of the IWR want to go to war with Iraq. Get your talking points straight because bullshit doesn't get it. Bush* was given authority and responsibility. He relished in the authority but has he ever taken any responsibility?

[CarolynEC]

9. It's not for lack of trying, though...

Give him another Bush term, and watch the roundup of gays and lesbians begin.

*shudder*

[devlin radiset]

15. do you seriously believe that? eom

[CarolynEC]

17. If he thought he could get away with it, no question...

Maybe he'll have to settle for more subtle forms of persection for now. "Conversion therapy" for teenagers, busting up same-sex families, tearing children out of the arms of adoptive parents, that sort of thing.

[devlin radiset]

20. thanks for replying n/t

[CarolynEC]

23. You might wish to take this quiz...

...Jerry Falwell, Pat Robertson and Usama Bin Ladin have a lot in common. Take the quiz and see if you can identify statements by each of these "leaders."

http://www.funnystrange.com/quiz/

[parasim]

18. Well, he did say this right after 9/11

"I really believe that the Pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians, ... the ACLU, People For the American Way - all of them who have tried to secularize America - I point the finger in their face and say 'you helped this happen." Jerry Falwell, 700 Club, 2001-SEP-13.

He and his ilk do consider liberals, gays, pagans, etc., anti-american and pro-terrorist, you know, don't you?

[CarolynEC]

19. And he said 9/11 happened because God allowed it to happen

God "lifted up the curtain" and allowed bin Laden to strike.

Who's side is this guy on? Certainly not the side of America. He has nothing but contempt for America and its ideals.

[devlin radiset]

21. it's quite a stretch from that qoute

to 'rounding people up' IMO

[parasim]

22. "Rounding up" or "making lists"...

I can't speak for the poster that first used "rounding up" in this thread, but I took it to mean more like marking those that they consider the "enemy" by putting them on lists, investigating them, etc. Not literally putting them in interment camps or anything. Not yet, anyway.

So, in that context, no, I don't think it's that much of a stretch. IMO.

[CarolynEC]

11. Instead, he's tried a more indirect way...

... to destroy America. Rotting it from the inside.

[CarolynEC]

25. Al Qaeda used 9/11 as a recruiting tool. So did Falwell.

"TV Preacher's Ministry Sends Out Fund-Raising Appeal Exploiting His Controversial Tirade Over Terrorist Attacks"
http://www.au.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=6013&abbr=pr&security=1002&news_iv_ctrl=1384

[CarolynEC]

26. Here are a few more Falwell gems...

... for your reading pleasure:

October 1998: In a fund-raising letter, Falwell announces plans to expand his ministry and to "immediately rededicate myself to use my God-given skills as a national spokesman for morality and return to the moral/political arena....(W)ith God's anointing and your prayerful support, you will soon think I am omnipresent."

...

April 1996: Falwell hosts a "Washington for Jesus" rally in the nation's capital where he holds a mock trial of America for engaging in seven deadly sins: persecution of the church, homosexuality, abortion, racism, occultism, addictions and HIV/AIDS (acronym: PHAROAH). He declares the nation guilty "of violating God's law."

...

March 1993: Despite his promise to Jewish groups to stop referring to America as a "Christian nation," Falwell gives a sermon saying, "We must never allow our children to forget that this is a Christian nation. We must take back what is rightfully ours."

...


October 1987: The Federal Election Commission fines Falwell $6,000 for transferring $6.7 million in funds intended for his ministry to political committees.

(Hmmm... isn't that how al Qaeda gets its funding, too? -- CEC)

...

July 1984: Falwell is forced to pay gay activist Jerry Sloan $5,000 after losing a court battle. During a TV debate in Sacramento, Falwell denied calling the gay-oriented Metropolitan Community Churches "brute beasts" and "a vile and Satanic system" that will "one day be utterly annihilated and there will be a celebration in heaven." When Sloan insisted he had a tape, Falwell promised $5,000 if he could produce it. Sloan did so, Falwell refused to pay and Sloan successfully sued. Falwell appealed, with his attorney charging that the Jewish judge in the case was prejudiced. He lost again and was forced to pay an additional $2,875 in sanctions and court fees.


Source:
http://www.au.org/site/News2?page=NewsArticle&id=5839&abbr=cs_

[obnoxiousdrunk]

4. Why is

he even called Rev ? Radical cleric Jerry Fallwell would be more appropriate.

[WMliberal]

7. not on the abrams report

but maybe if someone wanted to give him the red-ass on AAR.

[CarolynEC]

10. "Radical cleric"

Love it!! LOL!

[obnoxiousdrunk]

12. I don't see

a difference between Muqtada Al Sadr and Jerry Falwell.

[CarolynEC]

13. Totally agree...

I'm going to refer to him only as "radical cleric Jerry Falwell" from now on. Thanks!

:D

[oasis]

14. The handy dandy Falwell emoticon.

:puke:

[Mandate My Ass]

16. I love Fieger

He cuts his opponents (verbally) to ribbons.

He nailed this one too.

[xchrom]

24. feh! falwell is a rabid dog

and it's possible that's too good a description for him.