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TeeYiYi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 03:20 PM
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Kucinich, others Express Support for Venezuela's Chavez . . .
Jesse Jackson, Naomi Klein, Zinn, Kucinich, others Express Support for Venezuela's Chavez
Friday, Aug 13, 2004

By: Venezuelanalysis.com

Caracas, Venezuela. Aug 13, 2004 (Venezuelanalysis.com).- U.S. Reverend Jesse Jackson, Congressman Dennis Kucinich, Historian and writer Howard Zinn, activist Naomi Klein, and others sent a letter to Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez offering their support ahead of the upcoming recall referendum.

A copy of the letter is below:

August 12, 2004
Dear President Chavez,

We are writing to express our solidarity during this important moment in Venezuela’s history. It is our hope and expectation that, on August 15, you will once again win an electoral mandate from the Venezuelan people to be their
president.

The world knows that you are achieving something remarkable in Venezuela: you are investing your country’s vast oil wealth in ways that benefit everyone, not just small minority of well-connected elites. Over the last year your government’s literacy campaign taught one million Venezuelans to read. And today, millions of others are benefiting from the governments investment in job training, small businesses and health care.

We are disturbed by our own government’s interference in your internal affairs. The National Endowment for Democracy (NED), a group funded by the U.S. Congress, has financed radical opposition leaders in their efforts to cut short your term. Some of the individuals funded by the NED participated in the April 2002 coup attempt against you. . .

More: http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/news.php?newsno=1335

TYY
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HysteryDiagnosis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 03:22 PM
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1. That's it....
Now they can label Kucinich a "terrorist".
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happynewyear Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 03:45 PM
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2. Keep on going DK & Jesse Jackson!
These two men are the heros of our lives whether we know it or not.

:loveya: !!!!!!




:dem: :kick:
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madrchsod Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 04:04 PM
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3. not kerry
he`s on bush`s side on this one
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 04:08 PM
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4. And not James Carville either - he's been advising the oligarchs!
As the Washington Post's Scott Wilson reported, prominent members of the Venezuelan opposition traveled to Washington in January 2003 and began consulting informally with Democratic Party whore-of-convenience James Carville. Soon thereafter, the Democratic Party polling firm Greenberg Quinlan Rosner Research (GQR) - the company of Carville's fellow whore and Clintonite pollster Stanley Greenberg - popped up in Venezuela working on behalf of the opposition.

In a bracing demonstration of U.S. bipartisanship at the service of Uncle Sam's reactionary foreign policy, GQR joined forces with the Republican polling firm Public Opinion Strategies to carry out "polls" on behalf of the opposition. In March 2003, GQR released a misleading statement that its findings contrasted with "the assumption of many analysts that Venezuela is divided between the upper- and middle-class opponents of Chavez and his lower-class supporters."

The strategy was clear; in order to beat Chavez, GQR - like Datanalisis - sought to deny the government of its base.

The only problem was that GQR's denial of a class divide and Datanalisis' claim that the poor were now even more disapproving of Chavez than middle and wealthier strata were strongly contradicted by the actual results of the GQR-POS "poll". The "poll"showed that the poor (stratum E) and the relatively poor (stratum D) - which together represent about 80 percent of Venezuela's adult population - were more than twice as likely to continue supporting Chavez than the middle to wealthier strata.

http://www.counterpunch.org/delacour08072004.html
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 01:30 PM
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8. Do we need to take pot shots at Kerry everywhere?
Edited on Sun Aug-15-04 01:31 PM by K-W
It is great that we have radical left leaders, but if Kerry was one of them, we wouldnt have a shot at the white house. You need to recognize that a certain divirsity is absolutely neccessary in a party. It isnt Kerry's fault that most americans dont care about venezuala, and alot of Americans are easily convinced that Chavez is wrong. Kerry has to get elected. If you want him to become Kucinich, fine, but your never getting the right out of the white house.
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 01:45 PM
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9. This can wait until after the November elections
then we can burn him if he sides again with the Venezuelan oligarchs.

ABB is only a very temporary coalition anyway!

In the meantime, we can sit at home and mull why the American elites, Republican and Democrat alike, are so fond of the elites in other countries.
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 02:20 PM
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12. Kerry should have kept his mouth SHUT about this, in that case
unless he's asked DIRECTLY

this infuriates me

and, did you know they're using TOUCH SCREENS down there?
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K-W Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 02:25 PM
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16. Yes, Kerry is wrong. But we need to be realisistic here.
We care about the people of the world. We understand what is going on in venezuala, we are in the very destinct minority of American voters and lawmakers. It would be truely amazing to have a presidential candidate enlightened enough to take the right stand here. Thus we cannot be too dissapointed. The fact that some lawmakers and leaders are supporting him, and the fact that it looks like he will win are two huge steps in the progress of the world. Having a presidential candidate deviate from accepted "moderate" foriegn policy views in our government is a tall order.

We have to stop being surprised when people do what anyone could have predicted they would do. We have to accept small steps and we have to accept that progress takes a huge amount of time and effort and that change begins with the people, not with the politicians.
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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 02:46 AM
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25. Who cares if "Americans are easily convinced that Chavez is wrong".....
.....If the reality of the situation in Venezuela doesn't matter to Kerry, why should I want him as President? What's the difference between him and Bush* if he takes stands on issues based on what people are led to believe rather than the reality of situations. America should be run by a leader not a pollster! :mad:
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Tierra_y_Libertad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 04:16 PM
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5. Viva Hugo! And, Dennis and Jesse and the rest.
As for Carville, I can't think of a curse worse than his wife, but I'll work on it. Kerry folds again..and, again, and, again.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 02:05 PM
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10. Poor carville...he is married and living with a nazi
rw bitch.
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Judi Lynn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-14-04 04:25 PM
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6. Tomorrow's the day, too.
Thank God there are still some decent Democrats who aren't afraid to step forward and make a statement opposing Bush's wildly disordered, sick plans for the world.

I hope this sends Bush a message that he's going to start meeting resistance here at home if we learn he's continuing his vicious, murderous meddling in Venezuelan affairs.

He's just jealous he has witnessed a true leader and knows we know the difference.



Bush pasa detrás de Chávez tras pronunciar su mensaje en la cumbre de Monterrey.


&imgrefurl=http://www.cnnenespanol.com/2004/americas/01/13/chavez.cumbre.ap/&h=242&w=180&sz=21&tbnid=PFUy90KBoBgJ:&tbnh=104&tbnw=78&start=1&prev=/images%3Fq%3DChavez%2B%252B%2BBush%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26ie%3DUTF-8%26c2coff%3D1">~~~~ link ~~~~

I'm not too quick reading Spanish now, but it's easy to see CNN's giving things a good hard right spin even in Spanish CNN news. These guys don't sleep, apparently.
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TeeYiYi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 01:23 PM
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7. kick
TYY:kick:
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 02:12 PM
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11. BREAKING: Venezuela Voters Turn Out in Huge Numbers
Venezuela Voters Turn Out in Huge Numbers
http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/081604X.shtml

<snip>
"This is the largest turnout I have ever seen," exclaimed former President Jimmy Carter, who was helping to monitor the vote. "There are thousands of people in line, waiting patiently and without any disturbance."
<snip>



(I think this should be good for Chavez!) :thumbsup:

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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 02:22 PM
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13. gee zuss.......touch screen voting in VeneZOOLA!
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 02:24 PM
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15. PS.....I really love Sibel Edmonds now
I watched her 60 Minutes interview without the sound


she is THE epitome of truth, grace, and beauty

especially after watching Condi on MTP without sound. it's even EASIER to see how much she lies, how uncomfortable she is, without having to pay attention to the constant flow of lies emanating from her evil maw
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G_j Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 02:40 PM
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23. they finally showed that?
I can't believe I missed it! :-(

btw, watching without sound does often reveal quite a bit about someone.
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 02:22 PM
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14. .
Edited on Sun Aug-15-04 02:32 PM by Kanary
.
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 02:26 PM
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17. think again about Carter; his good press is as undeserved as
Edited on Sun Aug-15-04 02:28 PM by buycitgo
Bush's

"The Venezuelan Referendum: The Truth About Jimmy Carter" http://www.counterpunch.org/petras07082004.html

you don't have to believe it; just read it

The Unknown History of James Carter

The two faces of imperial power include the iron fist military intervention and the "soft sell" of electoral frauds, intimidating diplomacy and democratic blackmail. Jimmy Carter is "the quiet American" of Graham Greene fame, who legitimates voter fraud, blesses corrupt elections, certifies murderous rulers, encourages elections, in which the opposition is funded by the US state and semi-public foundations, and the incumbent progressive regime suffers repeated violent disruption of the economy.

Behind the simple and humane façade, Carter has a strategy to reverse progressive regimes and undermine insurgent democrats. Carter and his "team" from his Center probe and locate weaknesses among insecure democrats, particularly those under threat by US-backed opponents and thus vulnerable to Carter's appeals to be "pragmatic" and "realistic"--meaning his barely disguised arguments to accept fraudulent electoral results and gross US electoral intervention. Carter is a quiet master in mixing democratic rhetoric with manipulation of susceptible democrats who think he shares their democratic politics. The international mass media feature his self-promoted overseas trips to conflictual countries and above all his phony "human rights" record. The mass media provide Carter with the appearance of democratic credentials.

In fact, his frequent political interventions have been dedicated to sustaining dictators, legitimizing fraudulent elections and pressuring popular democratic candidates to capitulate before US-backed opponents. Carter has deliberately and systematically worked over the past quarter of a century to undermine progressive regimes and candidates and promote their pro-imperialist opponents.

Today in Venezuela, faced with a referendum of dubious validity, backed by the most rancid reactionaries, Carter once again poses as a "neutral monitor" while working with the anti-Chavez opposition to first legitimate the referendum then to provide opportunities for its favorable outcome. Carter has said absolutely nothing about strenuous US funding of the opposition--a blatant violation of any democratic, electoral process -- activities which would be felonious in his own country, the USA. He calls for "fair reporting" by the hysterically anti-Chavez mass media, knowing full well that, with a wink of his eye, they have free rein to provide exclusively favorable coverage of the opposition and uniformly negative disinformation about Chavez. In exchange Carter secured from Chavez a promise to avoid compulsory national chain broadcasts. Carter refuses to recognize that the electoral playing field is not equal, yet under the guise of "free press" he defends the right of the media oligarchs to voice venomous lies, denying the electorate the right to hear both sides. Carter refuses to recognize the intimidating effects of US military maneuvers in the Caribbean, the belligerent statements of undersecretary of state of Latin American Affairs Noriega against Chavez and the hyperactivity of the US Ambassador Shapiro in support of the anti-Chavez forces. Above all Carter ignores the plots, fraudulent practices and paramilitary activities leading up to and beyond the referendum. Focusing on enforcing the Government's compliance with electoral procedures and ignoring the highly prejudicial context of the election, Carter is fulfilling his role of a "set-up man" for either an electoral victory of the opposition or in the event of a defeat, for a post-election pretext for violent coup. Carter's history provides an extremely useful context for substantiating these observations and affirmation.


the next section goes on to delineate how Carter was instrumental in certifying the STOLEN election in the Dominican Republic, ca. 1990

know anything about THAT?
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IndianaGreen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 02:30 PM
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19. Carter put Frank Carlucci in the Pentagon
It doesn't speak well of Carter that he appointed the former CIA man that was involved in the murder of Patrice Lumumba.

Carter is not the saint that some have portrayed him to be.
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Rhiannon12866 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Aug-16-04 02:25 AM
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24. Carter may not have been perfect, but he was sincere
I would choose him, again, anyday, in favor of the liars and warmongers and spinners that we have in The White House, today.:shrug:
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Kanary Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 02:31 PM
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20. gee, I stand corrected
as always at DU

:eyes:
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 02:38 PM
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22. hey, me, too
I thought the same, til I heard that guy on thisishell last month, talking about Carter, and just how EVIL (best word I can think of) US policy has gotten in Central/South America, as if it could have gotten any worse.

problem IS, our policy there is now in the hands of the likes of Reich, Abrams, Negroponte stooges, Armitage, etal, the architects of some of the most HEINOUS policies ever employed by our government

to see that Carter is a willing participant in this is nauseating

course, his actions go back to the Clinton admin, as well

way to go, media!
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no name no slogan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 02:27 PM
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18. Thank you for posting this
It just proves that there's still politicians out there who know right from wrong, and there's still a "political class" (like Carville) who will still whore themselves out to the highest bidder, no matter how despicable the employer.

¡VIVA CHAVEZ!
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buycitgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Aug-15-04 02:34 PM
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21. I LOVE This!


any larger versions of that available?

what GREAT buttons, stickers, Tshirts that would make

like this






http://www.cafeshops.com/docpolitic.12872117
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