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Ugnmoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 05:20 PM
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Tony "The Poodle" is going down - will The Chimp soon follow?
Lord Hutton's inquiry into the death of Dr. Kelley is revealing some very ugly details. In today's Guardian, an article entitled "Emails Show How Number 10 Constructed Case For War", the reporter quotes from emails produced by various staff members that clearly demonstrates an intent on the part of the government to fabricate the facts to support the war in Iraq.

But here is the most damning part of this story and one which should tie right back to The White House. It appears that these flurry of emails came immediately after Blair returned from his September 8th Camp David meeting with Bush.

I think it is now a foregone conclusion that Tony's goose is cooked. The question is will the evidence pouring out of Britain also implicate Bush. It would be hard for me to envision how it could not.

Anyway stay tuned. This could get very dicey in the next few weeks.

P.S. The Poodle is gonna be dragged in front of Lord Hutton next Thursday. Better make sure your T.V. is armed with a Bull Shit

Protector or it might just blow up.

http://politics.guardian.co.uk/kelly/story/0,13747,1028058,00.html
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Clete Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 05:27 PM
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1. I'm afraid not.
It will give us one less friend in the world and we are pretty friendless right now. Unfortunately, Bush is going to have to be brought down by us.
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Vitruvius Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 07:06 PM
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11. WE have lots of friends in the world -- all the people & countries who
opposed Bu$h*'s war for Oil. Including the majority in Britain.

If Poodle Blair goes down, it means one less friend for Bu$h*. Which is fine by me.
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Must_B_Free Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 05:28 PM
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2. The Fit has hit the Shan
it's all over now
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Maccagirl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 05:28 PM
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3. Blair's future is of no importance to Bush
Edited on Sat Aug-23-03 05:29 PM by Maccagirl
He used him when he needed to and discarded him like a whore (no pun intended). Blair should have known that this is Bush's MO and should have been smarter about following him down the garden path to his own destruction. Newswise, it's been very quiet about the Kelly story-but if Blair is testifying this week, it could get back to page 1 if a slow news week. Bush will not be affected.
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 05:30 PM
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5. "Tony who?"
"I believe he was a Clinton supporter when I ran for governor..."
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Raenelle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 11:08 PM
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15. For Whistle Ass, loyalty only runs one way.
Fuck Blair, but it won't cause Whistle Ass any nightmares.
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rfranklin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 05:29 PM
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4. Highly unlikely...
With the Congress we are now burdened with--which will hear no ill of the Chimp--and a press which reprints the daily Rove fax (not the facts), the odds for Chimp Change is only for chumps.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 05:35 PM
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6. I think if they really air out Tony's dirty deeds, Bush will be hurt!
Edited on Sat Aug-23-03 05:37 PM by Hubert Flottz
I doubt it can dethrone our little Evil Prince, but it can't help Shrub either!

I think the Lawmakers in the UK have a far better chance at getting at the TRUTH than Congress does!
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DBoon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 05:48 PM
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7. Was this Bush's intent
(tinfoil hat warning)

Maybe part of the Bush/Rove agenda was to discredit Labour.

Maybe they sucked Tony Blair into this knowing that would be the result.
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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 11:05 PM
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14. Sabotaging Labour was definitely part of the plan.
However, the plan was that the UK would not get involved in Iraq, that the US would sabotage the European economy, that, at the next general election, the malaise would be blamed on Labour and that Blair would be portrayed by Tories as being weak on national security (perhaps, compounded by a terrorist attack in the UK).

Instead, Blair is holding the economy together, removed national security as a wedge issue from the tories, is staying relevant in the debate over Iraq's future (which is the surest route to stopping the US from being in a position to sabotage the EU economy), is drawing fire for leftwing gov'ts in Europe, like Schroeders, so that liberals can stay in charge in the important EU economies...shall I go on?

For most people here who persist in having a simplistic view of the politics of the UK ("if Blair goes down, bush will follow..."), I ask you, what did you know about British politics before 2002? Do you really think you understand it now?
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punpirate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 05:49 PM
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8. Blair is burnt toast...
... and he's about to be dropped on the floor, buttered-side down.

What's probably worse than the emails coming after September 8th is Clare Short's comments that the Iraq war was decided to be started in February or March, `03, amongst Blair and Bush at the ranch in August, 2002. If someone else corroborates that, it publicly makes them both liars.

Would the press here run with that? Dunno. If one goes by past experience regarding the press and Bush....

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Mikimouse Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 10:19 PM
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12. Headline in the near future...
"White House learns of Blair subterfuge". president bush today announced during a totally unscripted news conference, that British Prime Minister Tony Blair deliberately passed on information to the CIA about S. Hussein's WMD capability, knowing that the result would be war. According to Wh and CIA sources, Blair hoped to draw the US into a quagmire in Irag, in order to avenge the capture of Lord Cornwallis at Yorktown during the American Revolution. Bush stated, "these dastardly acts of Mr. Blair will not affect US-British relations, now that the Tories have taken back the reins of government in the UK." Meanwhile, Mr. Blair has been unavailable for comment, though he is rumored to be hiding in the hills around Kandahar.
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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 11:03 PM
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13. LOL /nt
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Adjoran Donating Member (650 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 05:57 PM
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9. No way
Blair isn't going anywhere. He has enough support in the Labour Party, and the Tories are laughable right now, as they have been since Thatcher retired.

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TacticalPeek Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 06:42 PM
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10. "Possible way"?
When the regard of these matters ever changes from "poor taste" to "criminal inquiry", the prospects can be quite sobering.

And many laws and bureaucratic rules are on the books aimed at preventing or curbing exactly such abuses as these. The perfect criminal avoids any accountable transgression, which accounts for the brimming jails and prisons. Is "wrongful death" a recognized abuse?

Yet even if a twirling, burning political career crashes from the English firmament, the splashing debris would probably count only as a blow on the freedom shield of the deserter usurper.

Fear not, though. The chimp's destructive jihad contains seeds of it's own destruction and shameful ignimony in history.

One seed just beginning to sprout:

Calculate the effect of pictures Karl effing Rove entering the Federal Bureau of Prisons (handcuffs required by law):

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=211244

Logic suggests there are many more such bad seeds gestating now, and even some awaiting conception. Though by no means certain yet, it is entirely possible that bushco (actually, chaneyco, but aWol, too) will watch their fellow conspirators each slip over the edge into the fire, until TPTB push over the top rats.

I know its stretching desire beyond practice, but I hope there is "special circumstances" language in the Unpatriot Act to send Rove to Gitmo. OK, OK, but what are dreams for?



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AP Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Aug-23-03 11:08 PM
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16. If there were an election today, Tories could win (they're tied
in the opinion polls). However, I don't think there any way Blair would lose a campaign. He's a brilliant campaigner -- as good as or better than Clinton. What he achieved in 97 and again in 2001 was really unbelievable.
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