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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-04 08:30 PM Original message |
Switching to a consumption tax is a progressive idea |
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stevebreeze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-04 08:36 PM Response to Original message |
1. Should we drastically lower taxes paid by the wealthy ? |
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democratreformed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-04 08:45 PM Response to Reply #1 |
6. Seriously, I don't understand. |
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Protected (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-04 08:57 PM Response to Reply #6 |
11. Bill Gates makes millions a year in income and |
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democratreformed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-04 09:17 PM Response to Reply #11 |
18. Right. |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-12-04 10:15 AM Response to Reply #11 |
61. Not only that, but Bill Gates buys antiques, paintings, rolexes, etc, |
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democratreformed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 04:10 PM Response to Reply #61 |
95. That's an excellent point, too. |
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HotPotato1 (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 04:40 PM Response to Reply #11 |
97. Bill Gates spends much MORE money than he makes |
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stevebreeze (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-04 09:47 PM Response to Reply #6 |
23. the definition of being rich is have more money then you need to spend |
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unfrigginreal (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-04 08:38 PM Response to Original message |
2. Why would we want to promote a regressive tax AS A POSITIVE idea? |
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Gregorian (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-04 08:41 PM Response to Original message |
3. I am totally for a pay for use system |
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uhhuh (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-04 08:42 PM Response to Original message |
4. Encouraging savings and not taxing essentials... |
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CaTeacher (983 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-04 08:44 PM Response to Original message |
5. This is a Libertarian idea-- |
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HFishbine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-04 09:25 PM Response to Reply #5 |
20. Er |
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Sirveri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-12-04 03:40 AM Response to Reply #20 |
39. that's not what I heard. |
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HFishbine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-12-04 09:33 AM Response to Reply #39 |
51. For your info |
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CaTeacher (983 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-12-04 09:56 AM Response to Reply #51 |
54. I'm telling you that yes--I |
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HFishbine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-12-04 10:20 AM Response to Reply #54 |
63. I was replying |
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CaTeacher (983 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 11:00 AM Response to Reply #63 |
91. I said that I support them |
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sangha (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-04 08:46 PM Response to Original message |
7. Consumption taxes are a right-wing idea |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-12-04 12:52 PM Response to Reply #7 |
71. spare me |
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Fovea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-04 08:50 PM Response to Original message |
8. Uhhh |
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ranosgol (307 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-04 08:50 PM Response to Original message |
9. This Tax is fools gold for Middle Class |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-12-04 10:19 AM Response to Reply #9 |
62. It would also discourage consumption of things the middle class buys.... |
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PA Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-04 08:54 PM Response to Original message |
10. Please do some research before repeating this RW propaganda BS |
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sendero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-04 08:59 PM Response to Original message |
12. Sorry.... |
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Clovis Sangrail (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-04 09:00 PM Response to Original message |
13. Not regressive? |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-04 09:08 PM Response to Original message |
14. This is a regressive tax, with the highest burden on the poor. |
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HotPotato1 (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 05:36 PM Response to Reply #14 |
99. The poor would pay zero federal taxes under this plan... |
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OneTwentyoNine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-04 09:09 PM Response to Original message |
15. How much "consuming" would Rush have to do to hit $8 million? |
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PA Democrat (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-04 09:12 PM Response to Reply #15 |
16. Do you think they could arrange collecting that "consumption" tax |
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leftyandproud (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-04 09:14 PM Response to Original message |
17. I agree! |
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Sirveri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-12-04 03:44 AM Response to Reply #17 |
40. that's not what a flat sales tax is though. |
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Bandit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-12-04 10:05 AM Response to Reply #40 |
57. That is not true |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-12-04 01:06 PM Response to Reply #57 |
72. So it's basically a car tax? |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-12-04 10:22 AM Response to Reply #17 |
64. Luxury items appreciate in value. If you taxed a rollex at 50% it would... |
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JanMichael (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-04 09:19 PM Response to Original message |
19. Actually the Progressive Income Tax is a "Progressive Idea". |
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HFishbine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-04 09:30 PM Response to Original message |
21. People, People, People |
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Protected (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-04 09:42 PM Response to Reply #21 |
22. Labor-punishing? |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-04 09:51 PM Response to Reply #22 |
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Protected (618 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-12-04 12:05 AM Response to Reply #25 |
35. Hmm |
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Nadienne (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-12-04 01:07 PM Response to Reply #22 |
73. One way to make the system work |
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democratreformed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-04 10:26 PM Response to Reply #21 |
27. Those are some interesting ideas and |
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69KV (444 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-04 10:50 PM Response to Reply #21 |
30. Exempting necessary items |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-12-04 10:47 AM Response to Reply #21 |
67. just do the math and see who benefits |
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ElaineinIN (345 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-04 09:50 PM Response to Original message |
24. I don't think this sticks to a wall |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-12-04 10:54 AM Response to Reply #24 |
68. A great analysis |
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Lydia Leftcoast (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-04 10:03 PM Response to Original message |
26. Japan has a consumption tax on goods and services |
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DemWitch (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-04 10:34 PM Response to Original message |
28. the magic word was in paragraph 2... exemptions... |
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Selwynn (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-12-04 02:20 AM Response to Reply #28 |
37. Make it 15% and I'm sold :) |
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left is right (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-14-04 09:55 PM Response to Reply #37 |
104. i keep reading that this consumption tax |
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Sirveri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-12-04 04:11 AM Response to Reply #28 |
42. flat tax is also regressive. |
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RivetJoint (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-12-04 06:50 AM Response to Reply #42 |
48. Great idea |
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Sirveri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-12-04 04:46 PM Response to Reply #48 |
80. the reason the upper levels get hit so hard is simple. |
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Kellanved (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-12-04 04:35 AM Response to Reply #28 |
44. My problem with flat-tax |
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69KV (444 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-04 10:36 PM Response to Original message |
29. Actually it's the second worst kind of tax |
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Sirveri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-12-04 04:16 AM Response to Reply #29 |
43. 200k would not exempt home owners. |
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69KV (444 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-12-04 09:37 AM Response to Reply #43 |
52. You're right about the Bay Area |
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Sirveri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-12-04 04:50 PM Response to Reply #52 |
81. Well how would this tax be levied? |
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Bogus W Potus (281 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-04 10:55 PM Response to Original message |
31. No, I don't want a consumption tax. |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-04 10:59 PM Response to Original message |
32. As usual it taxes the poor disproportionately to others. |
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HotPotato1 (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 04:55 PM Response to Reply #32 |
98. The poor wouldn't be taxed at all |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-14-04 09:22 PM Response to Reply #98 |
102. Whose wish list is that under? |
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BillZBubb (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-04 11:09 PM Response to Original message |
33. This is satire/sarcasm right? It's typical right wing class warfare. |
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Mechatanketra (903 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Wed Aug-11-04 11:51 PM Response to Original message |
34. Sigh. |
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ProfLefty (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-12-04 02:15 AM Response to Original message |
36. Interesting |
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Cats Against Frist (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-12-04 11:16 AM Response to Reply #36 |
70. Bravo |
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Sirveri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-12-04 03:35 AM Response to Original message |
38. Why the consumption tax and all other libertarian tax ideas are wrong. |
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Francine Frensky (870 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-12-04 06:26 AM Response to Reply #38 |
46. And Bill Gates agrees with you... |
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loyalsister (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-12-04 06:49 AM Response to Reply #38 |
47. Good points- which brings me too |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-12-04 09:59 AM Response to Reply #38 |
55. Want To Know Why I Support Those Same Policies? |
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ProfLefty (89 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-12-04 10:06 AM Response to Reply #38 |
58. Absolutely right on! |
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UdoKier (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-12-04 03:44 AM Response to Original message |
41. No, it's a regressive economy killer. |
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MadHound (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-12-04 05:57 AM Response to Original message |
45. Sorry friend, you can put all the lipstick in the world on this pig |
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OneTwentyoNine (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-12-04 06:52 AM Response to Original message |
49. Make no mistake,this tax wouldn't be 10% or even 15%... |
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ASanders84 (129 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-12-04 07:18 AM Response to Original message |
50. Dumb idea |
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69KV (444 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-12-04 09:48 AM Response to Reply #50 |
53. That's another point to consider |
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cmf (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-12-04 10:00 AM Response to Original message |
56. It's just a way of lowering taxes for the super wealthy |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-12-04 10:12 AM Response to Original message |
59. People who go into debt would pay highest tax rates and people who spend |
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ProfessorGAC (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-12-04 10:13 AM Response to Original message |
60. Sorry, No Sale |
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Cocoa (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-12-04 10:22 AM Response to Original message |
65. nah |
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rman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-12-04 10:45 AM Response to Original message |
66. doesn't fly, does it |
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amazona (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-12-04 10:58 AM Response to Original message |
69. it punishes savings |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-12-04 01:19 PM Response to Reply #69 |
75. Reply to all |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-12-04 01:27 PM Response to Reply #75 |
76. And Bush* agrees with you |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-12-04 01:35 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. Non of your criticisms lead to your point. |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-12-04 01:58 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. Do they not? hmmm. |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-12-04 02:03 PM Response to Reply #78 |
79. That isnt what Bush is doing at all. |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-12-04 06:53 PM Response to Reply #79 |
84. Psst.. we're within 80 days of an election |
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Sirveri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-12-04 06:23 PM Response to Reply #78 |
82. we're not defending the status quo. |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-12-04 07:01 PM Response to Reply #82 |
85. agreed, tax reform must happen |
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Sirveri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 03:22 AM Response to Reply #85 |
88. And most people here agree with that sentiment. |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-12-04 01:10 PM Response to Original message |
74. This is a horrible idea. |
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lanparty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-12-04 06:42 PM Response to Original message |
83. BLACK MARKET |
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sweetheart (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-12-04 07:08 PM Response to Reply #83 |
86. yes, and yet sales tax works today pretty well |
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lanparty (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Thu Aug-12-04 11:28 PM Response to Reply #86 |
87. Because sales taxes are at reasonable levels ... |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 03:35 AM Response to Reply #86 |
89. If it were higher, it might not work so well. If sales tax trippled or.... |
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Guaranteed (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 03:40 AM Response to Original message |
90. This is absolute GARBAGE. This idea SHIFTS THE TAX BURDEN |
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niceperson (76 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 01:35 PM Response to Original message |
92. one problem with your plan |
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BlackJack8324 (94 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 03:35 PM Response to Original message |
93. consumption taxes aren't progressive |
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Strawman (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 04:05 PM Response to Original message |
94. How about raising wages? |
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HotPotato1 (14 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Fri Aug-13-04 04:15 PM Response to Original message |
96. Important parts of the proposal are MISSING from this thread... |
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Sirveri (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-14-04 09:07 PM Response to Reply #96 |
100. OK, well in any event |
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robcon (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-14-04 09:20 PM Response to Reply #96 |
101. I think that scheme should be called the tax adviser plan. |
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left is right (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sat Aug-14-04 09:42 PM Response to Original message |
103. $1. 19 for 2-litre of Coke |
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