There oughta be a law against having a stupid president

[mopaul]

seriously, after bush proved that even an idiot can hold the office if properly set up and propped up, we should have a mental fitness test. they have them for the physical health of the president, but not the mental health. if bush were tested today, he'd be found to be mentally unstable, unmotivated by curiosity, on several mind controlling medications, paranoid, delusional and a neurotic sociopath who is dangerously teetering on total nervous collapse.

he is also not intellectually fit. if a man does not EVER READ NEWSPAPERS OR BOOKS and does not have any concept of world affairs and political nuance, and cannot debate a 12 year old high school civics student, then that man should be PROHIBITED from running america.

there oughta be a law

[freetobegay]

1. If there was a law for stupidity

We would not be able to all the criminals!

[Cleita]

2. I always thought candidates should be screened for competence

before they are allowed to run for office. I mean no one gives you a job because you want it. First you have to be interviewed. Your resume or education and work experience are evaluated. Then you might be tested for specific knowledge and skills. We certainly should do this for Presidents as well. If *had been put through this, he probably would have gotten a job in the mailroom of the White House, not the Oval Office.

[freetobegay]

3. That would mean changing the Constitution.

Do you really want to do that?

[patdem]

4. freetobegay..change it to stop gays from marrying or presidents from

ruining the country?? I say the latter!!!

[freetobegay]

8. I say neither!

The Constitution should only be changed to broaden protections not limit them.

The two you mention, both limit & thats just wrong.

[Cleita]

12. Well, that's just your opinion.

The whole way we do elections really needs to be revamped.

[freetobegay]

14. Thats right it's just my opinion

& I will fight any asshole that tries changing the Constitution for the worse.

[Cleita]

21. If a majority of assholes thinks it's a good idea then

you would have to became dictator of the nation to overturn the Constitution. But isn't that Bush's job already?

[freetobegay]

22. Please show me where Bush has done this?

Your shooting blanks.

As far as I can tell the "assholes" aren't even close to being a majority.

Thats why the marriage amendment to the Constitution fell flat on it's face.

[Cleita]

29. So see you do grasp the subtleties of majority rule after all.

As far as Bush using the Constitution to blow his nose in, I would suggest you go over Bush's presidential actions since he's been in office. You will find many violations. Here I'll start the first one for you. Separation of Church and state is violated on a daily basis by this administration, from allowing the leader of a religious sect to be crowned in a public building with many members of congress present, to giving evangelical wingnuts government jobs, to trying to get taxpayers money given to religious institutions under the pretense of charity and education.

[freetobegay]

32. All I ask is you show me the facts

"I would suggest you go over Bush's presidential actions since he's been in office", ok, what are they?

"Here I'll start the first one for you. Separation of Church and state is violated on a daily basis by this administration", how?

"from allowing the leader of a religious sect to be crowned in a public building with many members of congress present" fi Your talking about Rev Moonie Thats Congress!

"to giving evangelical wingnuts government jobs" surly you can do better than that.

"trying to get taxpayers money given to religious institutions under the pretense of charity and education." Once again Congress.

As usual you have done everything but answer the question with hard facts.

I am still waiting for where Bush changed the Constitution.

[Cleita]

34. Facts are at your fingertips and Google away.

I don't have time to be doing your research for you just because you feel like being cranky. There are dozens of threads in DU's archives alone covering all the things I said above with links and sources.

Who said he changed the Constitution? He violates it, a big difference and he did try to change it with the marriage ammendment didn't he?

[freetobegay]

35. You don't have time because you can't prove what you have said

Nice try though. :)

ON EDIT: trying & doing are two different things.

[Cleita]

38. No I would if you were genuinely interested in knowing.

But unless you have been living in a cave in Siberia for the last three years, you know about those things.

Incidentally, the last "democrat" who tried this on me did so on a post I did about the torture of children in Iraq. It was so silly because the source was posted on the same thread and he challenged me like you did. I thought it was so funny so I didn't tell him that the links were a few posts before.

btw, aren't you in the wrong forum if you love the criminal Bush so much?

[freetobegay]

39. Using neocon tactics on me don't work!

"btw, aren't you in the wrong forum if you love the criminal Bush so much?" (by the way thats against Du policy, so tread lightly), Bush is the biggest criminal I know (but thats beside the point).

You made a claim & then refuse to back it up. We all know here who is famous for using that tactic.

All I ask is you give proof of your assertions & you have not.

ON EDIT: I don't care about any other threads, we are discussing this one, or is this another tactic to deflect from the original subject?

Bring it on!

[Cleita]

40. But I told you where to find the facts.

They are all over this website. That's how I got them. You are picking a food fight with me and I didn't know why until this last post. It's not the first time some poster has tried this on me and calling me a neo-con is a tread lightly point you should think about too.

I'm glad you hate Bush. It does improve my opinion of you. I'm done with this thread. I come to DU to discuss issues and get information. This conversation is not doing either of these things.

[freetobegay]

41. I could care less of your opinion of me

I do not appreciate people who spout off & won't back up what they say. You have something to say you better be ready to back it up, it's not up to me to try to find what you say is true or not. I don't try to have anyone banned, people do a pretty good job on their own doing that by what they post.

[Cleita]

6. That's what ammendments are for.

If we had done this 900+ young Americans would be alive today.

[freetobegay]

10. If we had done this sooner

We could have saved all those lives in vietnam, becareful for what you wish for.

[Cleita]

11. And why would that have been a bad thing?

I lost a couple of friends in Vietnam. I miss them every day. However remember it was Democratic presidents that got us into that quagmire, so there is no guarantee it wouldn't have happened. However, Vietnam was a hard lesson to learn and no intelligent president would have made the same mistake in Iraq. It took an appointed idiot, who obviously never read a history book in his life in order to learn the lessons of Vietnam to do it.

[PsN2Wind]

15. A minor difference with you.

If you are assigning blame, Ike GOT US into VietNam in a small way. It certainly escalated under the following Democratic presidents, JFK and LBJ but the greatest loss of lives there was after Nixon, with his "secret plan" to get us out of VietNam, was elected.

[Cleita]

20. If memory serves me, it was Ike who put in military advisors.

But actual troop deployments and fighting started under Kennedy although they still told the public our military was only behind the scenes advising. It did come out later that they were actually engaging in combat. But it was under Johnson who used the Gulf of Tonkin incident to bring the war out into the open.

[Sabriel]

17. This one was, but SCOTUS overruled the people's screening. n/t

[left is right]

37. While i don't think there should be a law

I do believe that every candidate for any state or national office should have to take one of the new NCLB mandatory test for graduating seniors. It should be scored by the same computers that are presently scoring these tests. Maybe they should take it on the same day and in the same place that the seniors take it. The scores should be required by law to be posted on the front page of every state (for state office) or national newspaper. What I haven't figured out is, should it be their own state's test or should it be the one rated hardest in the US?

[PsN2Wind]

5. No stupid person has been elected president

in my lifetime. Granted, Reagan didn't sit around doing quadratic equations in his head but I do believe that all the presidents of my lifetime, going back to FDR, have been of average or better intelligence. Then one day the Supreme Court of the United States looked at each other and said "Hey if Clarence Thomas can be here, why the hell can't Bush be the prez ?".

[Karenina]

7. *dauphin was NOT elected.

And he is certifiably STUPID.

Just watch:
http://www.c-span.org/homepage.asp?Cat=Current_Event&Code=Bush_Admin&ShowVidNum=6&Rot_Cat_CD=BA&Rot_HT=&Rot_WD=&ShowVidDays=15&ShowVidDesc=&ArchiveDays=30

[PsN2Wind]

9. Too subtle for you I guess

That was exactly the point I was making.

[Karenina]

18. Geez,

forgive me for taking an opportunity to post a link! I sho did miss the point and bow down to ya/ws! G_d bless ya!

[PsN2Wind]

25. Didn't mean to offend

Thought your post was to correct my post. Actually thought you had just read the title of the post and thought I was implying Dubya ain't dumb.

[olddem43]

13. If being stupid was a crime, Bush would have been

given the electric chair.

[Octafish]

16. There ought to be an AMENDMENT against stupid people being President.

Makes perfect sense, mopaul. Let's put "No more MORON Presidents" right into the Constitution.

Amendment XXVIII: Keep America Safe from Moron Presidents.



If Poppy didn't have all the donkey pictures of the Representatives and Senators, it'd pass the same day it was introduced. Same goes for getting the state legislators on board, course they enjoy the company of picture books more.

[Jackpine Radical]

19. Do Not Misunderestimate That Man!

He is many things--incurious, probly dyslexic, evil, conniving, cunning, vicious, megalomaniac, narcissistic...

but--and get this straight once and for all--NOT STUPID. Believe otherwise only at your own peril. He is fiendish, and he will have your liver for lunch if you give him half a chance.

If you must bemoan stupidity, then bemoan that of the American people, who refuse to see the evil they have permitted to crawl among them.

[Cleita]

24. Being crafty and sly doesn't make him intelligent.

He has no moral conscience, which is why crafty and sly works for him very well.

[Jackpine Radical]

27. What does "moral conscience" have to do with intelligence?

I'm certainly willing to add "psychopathic" to my list of traits. I just think it's a mistake to scoff at his political instincts.

[Cleita]

30. No your point is valid. However, I think a lot of his political

instincts are from being immersed in them from childhood, an advantage many of us don't have.

[mopaul]

28. i'm bemoanin' & moanin' the stupidification of amurka

maybe we differ in our perception of dubya's alleged stupidity or lack thereof, i am of the school who believes he actually is stupid as hell, and has no political instincts other than winning at any cost. but i could beat him in a debate in 5 minutes flat, and i'm CERTIFIED stupid.

[Karenina]

31. Two "smart guys"

showed us clearly that the *dimwit did not (and likely, even after his embarrassing humiliation, still does not) know the meanings of the words "sovereign"and "legacy." Meine ficken Fresse.

[Gregorian]

23. I'm not sure intelligence has anything to do with it.

Not for the leaders anyways. Maybe for the American public, though. It's all about the people. It doesn't matter what the leaders do, if the people are bright. The people are the one's who need a testing.

As far as leaders go, I don't think it has any direct relation to intelligence. It's greed and malintent. Nixon would have passed any test before him. And besides, Bush isn't pulling the strings anyways.

My gripe is that impeachment is partisan. Impeachment is flawed.

[mopaul]

26. i'd like the pres to be at least smarter than my own dumb ass

even i could make it all the way through a speech, or a sentence. even i could fake my way through a press conference than him. i read the newspaper every day, and i have a 3rd grade level understanding of world affairs,...........he don't,

and why waste time impeaching him when it would never happen? i am just suggesting a compentancy test, like a driver's license test i guess. i know he'd fail an intelligence test. and, he's got SERIOUS brain damage from coke and booze.

[Sugarbleus]

33. I agree, there ought to be a psychiatric evaluation to determine

if the candidate is mentally and emotionally fit to take the Highest Office in the land. And the evaluation should be done by an independent assessement team.. Geez, how did a lunatic(sick twist by any other name) manage to grab the presidency? That is chilling. :wow:

[Eurobabe]

43. yep, I agree too...

complete with lie detectors. (maybe no one would be fit for the job??)

[pinto]

36. LOL, haven't even read the thread, yet, but I am sure a bunch of TX oil$

boys got together and said, "You know what? That dumbass Bush boy would make a good front man. All we gotta do is..." You know the rest.

[bo44]

42. Bush would flunk the background and psych tests for law enforcement in CA

given his past history and current behavior.

[Aunt Anti-bush]

44. Impeachment could be the answer...

Unfortunately we have a congress who is afraid to do so for some reason.

[DebJ]

45. I'd like to see him pass his own damn tests to graduate from

elementary, middle, or high school. Brother Jeb couldn't answer a question from Florida's lower school tests when a wonderful child popped one of the questions on him. It was a math question...guess Jeb does fuzzy math too, family practice.