Road Rage kills Florida man

[ringmastery]

http://www.gainesville.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20040807/APN/408070710

A dispute between two motorists ended when one chased the other's vehicle on foot and suffered a fatal fall when lunging for the car.

Charles Hatcher, 54, of Jacksonville fell on the pavement outside his house Thursday while chasing the car driven by Michael Stephens, 27, said police Detective Brian Bradley. Hatcher died Friday at Shands Jacksonville hospital of injuries from the fall. No charges have been filed.

[amber dog democrat]

1. evidently some people take themselves way to seriously

What a way to go.

[Bertha Venation]

2. "No charges have been filed."

:wtf: It's hard to prosecute a dead man. Who else are they going to prosecute -- the chasee, Stephens? :eyes:

[Laura_B_manslaughter]

3. Dead guy prolly owned an SUV

SUV owners are nutters who identify with their vehicles. Just as bad as the gun loons.

[greekspeak]

4. Did Stephen's car have a Kerry sticker on it?

eom

[patdem]

5. You know, that same thing happened to me once..a person hesitated

because I blew my horn when the light changed..and I caught the red light..I was pissed...but in no way was sitting for a light (even though it was at a 5 points intersection) worth road rage!!! How stupid both men were!! Of course I am a woman and more reasonable than any man who thinks they have bigger balls than the 'other man'..not to start a flame war against men, but they seem to be perpetrators of road rage!

[drdigi420]

7. anyone can cause road rage, just go slow in front of someone else

[seabeyond]

37. one woman shot another woman

a couple years ago

[allalone]

63. think about this

most of the time when someone honks unexpectedly, the person being honked isn't sure why. Is the honker seeing something I don't see, like a kid, a dog, stop light runner? It takes a few seconds to decide it's just someone being a jerk

[drdigi420]

6. Road Rage is a symptom of poor driving skills

Usually the person that is raging is pissed off because some moron can't, or won't drive like they have somewhere to be.

Here's some tips to avoid being a victim of road rage:

1. ALWAYS move over to the right when someone wants to pass you on an interstate highway (or other divided highway with multiple lanes in one direction)

2. NEVER intentionally try to slow another driver down. Just let them pass and be out of your life forever.

3. Don't pull out in front of someone unless you can be sure that it will not cause the other person to decelerate or brake.

4. When in Atlanta, add 15 to the posted speed limit. Ignoring this rule can get you run over. Atlanta is a town on the move, don't get in it's way.

If you aren't in a hurry, let ppl that are get past you, it's very simple. Keep an eye in the mirror for people that want to pass and LET them.

[joshdawg]

8. Must add one more to this.

DO NOT TAILGATE!!!!!

[drdigi420]

9. if being tailgated, MOVE OVER

its that simple

tailgating is usually a symptom of people driving too slowly and refusing to move over

[joshdawg]

10. If I am already in the "grandpa" lane,

and driving the speed limit, why and where should I move over? C'mon, it's simpler to stop being stupid and quit tail-gating. Tail-gating is the stupidest manouver on today's streets and highways.

[drdigi420]

11. if you are in the grandpa lane, then whats the problem?

are you trying to say that everyone should drive the arbitrary speed limit?

speed limits are not about public safety, they are about revenue collection

[progressivebydesign]

48. The problem is YOU STILL GET TAILGATED!!!

Doesn't matter where you are, what speed you're going. YOu can be going 10 miles over the limit and some asshole wants to go 20 over the limit.

[alarimer]

14. exactly

tailgaters are stupid assholes. Speed limits are speed limits.

[shraby]

66. I have the answer for tailgaters...

touch your brakes. You don't have to slow down, but if you make the brake lights come on a few times, they back off cause they don't know what the hell you are going to do next.

[bpilgrim]

21. Don't be TERMINALLY RIGHTEOUS

i think is the point ;-)

peace

[drdigi420]

22. wow, you get it!

finally! someone GETS IT!

the knee-jerk reactionaries are out in full force today, thanks for rekindling my faith in the brains of DU

[alarimer]

12. tailgating

I have been tailgated when going the POSTED SPEED LIMIT on a two lane road in a construction zone. Fuck tailgaters- I am going the speed limit in a construction zone. It is not my problem if some redneck idiot is in some big hurry. I am obeying the law and they can kiss my ass.

[drdigi420]

16. I hate when some redneck idiot thinks the speed limit is fast enough

and refuses to get over

obviously, the redneck is not in a hurry, and is just being childish and petty trying to dictate the speed of others

its a very republican thing to do, especially since it seems to happen MUCH more frequently in heavily republican areas

rednecks suck, especially slow, childish, selfish, stupid ones

[progressivebydesign]

49. If you can't drive the speed limit because you're always in a hurry,

I'd try time management.. it's cheaper and it pisses off and kills less people. Including you, when your aorta pops from all your road rage at people obeying the law.

[drdigi420]

50. i guess you just missed the FACT that driving the speed limit in Atlanta

is dangerous. 15+ is the safe speed, because that is what the rest of traffic is going.

[NervousRex]

51. Waaaahhhh!!!!

Those inconsiderate jerks won't get out of my way....Waaaaaahhh! I'm a mover and shaker, and my life is go-go-go...so get out of my way I am more important than you...My selfish Type-A personality can't cope with other people living their lives Waaaaahhh! They won't let me break the law, so I'll show 'em...I'll drive up their tailpipe...threaten their and my own life...Waaaahhh!

[alarimer]

75. yes the speed limit is fast enough

In this particular case though there was nowhere to go- single lane, construction barriers etc. TAILGATERS SUCK. I obey speed limits, especially in construction zones. Stupid rednecks who don't think the limit is fast enough can kiss my ass. I will not pull over; I will not drive on the shoulder.

[1monster]

29. "Speeding Fines Doubled in Construction Zone"... I'm doing speed limit

in construction zones, too. Don't need a $350.00 speeding ticket as well as point on my license!

[killbotfactory]

13. I get tailgated all the fucking time

And I'm usually in the slow lane. People around here will drive fast in the slow lane, ride your bumper for a while, and then realize they can pass you in the left lane. It pisses me off. Especially when they are talking on a fucking cell phone.

[Downtown Hound]

15. Isn't that a little like blaming the victim?

On average I drive 5 to 10 miles an hour over the speed limit on a freeway, sometimes more. But I still get people that tailgate me. There's no excuse for tailgating, period. It's stupid, reckless, unsafe, and downright annoying. If your're tailgating, especially when the person ahead of you is already going the speed limit or above it, then you're endangering lives for the sole reason that you're impatient. Not an okay thing to do.

[drdigi420]

17. the victim is the person being held up by the slow "driver"

[Downtown Hound]

20. Give me a break

You're being "victimized" by a slow driver? Get over yourself! So you're forced to go a little slower on the road, and it's okay for you to endanger lives? Man, have a few entitlement issues do you? That's a Republican attitude if I ever heard one. ME! ME! ME! ME! ME! ME ME! ME! ME! IT'S ALL ABOUT ME!!!!!!!

[drdigi420]

23. INTENTIONALLY driving slow as to impeded traffic

is ENDANGERING lives

surely you can see this?

[Downtown Hound]

27. When did I ever say intentionally?

My post was about how I and many other people on the road are going along at the designated speed limit or even above it and some jerk comes along and rides our ass for a little while. It happens all the time, you know, those idiots that race in and out of traffic and kiss your rear end when they can't make a lane change? I was commenting about how this is not acceptable. Yes, if you do intentionally slow down, you are inviting a conflict, but you still have the right to do so. Tailgaters are the ones at fault though. If you are tailgating, you are initiating a conflict. If someone retaliates by slowing down, well, it may not be the best way to handle it, but the tailgater is still the one at fault for whatever may happen.

[drdigi420]

30. you were responding to MY post about INTENTIONAL slow ppl

o geez nevermind

here we go again

DU used to be so much more fun

its become a bit self-righteous lately

[Downtown Hound]

33. Sorry, didn't mean to spoil your day, but

but I was responding to your post that said, "If being tailgated move over. It's that simple. Often being tailgated is the result of people driving too slowly." I was just rather surprised that you would take this attitude, because tailgating is illegal and dangerous, and it sounds like you were basically saying that it was the victim's fault. That it was okay to tailgate if the person wasn't going fast enough for you. And it's not. It's not okay to do it under any circumstances. Not even if the person intentionally slowed down.

[drdigi420]

34. speed up or move over

the problem with 'slower traffic keep right' is that most people don't realize that they ARE slower traffic

[Downtown Hound]

36. No!

News flash pal. If you are going at a reasonable speed, you don't have to speed up for any impatient asshole on the road. If you're impatient then that's YOUR problem, not the other drivers. If you want to go faster, then wait until you get a passing opportunity and take it. But don't think for a minute that everyone is supposed to bend to your impatience, or that your impatience gives you the right to endanger somebody. Anyway, respond all you want, I'm done here. I just hope that you think twice about tailgating someone in the future. TAILGATERS SUCK!!!!

[drdigi420]

38. so you prefer to endanger everyone just so you can enforce

your own personal speed limit.

very selfish
very childish
very stupid

which describes most of the ppl that drive slowly in the left lane in their SUV

[Downtown Hound]

45. Well, I'm back

And I had to respond to this because this is just priceless. "My own personal speed limit?" BWHAHAHAHAHAHA! Dude, have you ever heard of a thing called the law? You know, it's that thing that you're supposed to obey? Now there's a lot of laws that I don't agree with and have been known to disobey on occasion. Marijuana laws are one. Speed limits may or may not be another. But, for you to announce that anyone who is obeying the speed limit is "enforcing" their own private morality is just downright hysterical. First of all, I drive a Honda Accord, not an SUV. Second of all, if someone is riding my ass when I'm in the fast lane, and I'm able to move over, I always do. I don't "enforce my personal speed limit" as you so laughably put it on anyone.

But, sometimes I get tailgated in the slow lane, and sometimes traffic prevents me from switching lanes. The point, which you don't seem to get, is that tailgating is wrong. Yes, you should move out of the way when you can, but that doesn't change the fact that whoever's on my ass is an asshole that is endangering my life because they feel that they own the road and everyone should, "get out of the way" as you put it. It is the tailgater that is putting people in danger, in ALL cases. Someone going too slowly does not amount to jack shit of a defense. I'd love to see you try that in a court of law. "Ah, Your Honor, well I really felt a pressing need to go thirty miles an hour over the speed limit, because I don't like anyone enforcing their own personal speed limit on me, and this car in front of me wouldn't move. Well, it's obvious they were endangering me and my excessively speeding car, so I got right on their ass, because I was being "victimized" by them, and accidentally ran them off the road. But, you know, it was really their fault because they wouldn't get out of my way. I was the victim."

If you ever come to California, please drop me a line and let me know if and where you will be driving so that I can stay clear of it. You have done nothing today but convince me that you probably shouldn't be operating a car.

[alarimer]

76. but driving the speed limit

Is not driving slow. It is obeying the law. I am not endangering myself to accomodate someone who may be in a hurry. Besides if they rear end me they are the ones who will be cited.

[Dookus]

18. It's not that simple

at least not here in California. I get tailgated in heavy traffic! The traffic may be moving, but if I move over (if I even CAN move over), the car behind me will gain about 12 feet before being slowed down by the next car.

Tailgaters are assholes, and it has NOTHING to do with the speed they're going. Blaming the person being tailgated is just dumb.

[drdigi420]

19. obviously you misread my post

noone is defending ppl that tailgate for no reason

if you are INTENTIONALLY holding someone up, however, YOU are the aggressor

[Dookus]

24. fair enough

but you seem to think there IS a good reason to tailgate.

There is none. Ever.

[drdigi420]

25. no, i dont

im just saying that tailgating is many times the result of people INTENTIONALLY causing a slowdown in ORDER TO BE AN ASSHOLE

all they have to do is speed up or get over

VERY simple

actually, they should have gotten over before the driver behind them ever got up to them, but that would require they actually pay attention to their mirrors

[Dookus]

28. What you describe

I have witnessed maybe twice in my life. The other incidences I see countless times a day.

I drive over a winding mountain road regularly. The speed limit is 55. I've been going 70 and had people on my bumper almost EVERY day.

Back off - we're going around blind turns on a road famous for rock slides and accidents. It's a douchebag thing to do.

[drdigi420]

31. i witness it twice a mile

when i drive out to the rural counties to work

especially through republican country

which was my original point: republicans seem to be the ones that like enforcing their own personal speed limit onto others

if you cant drive 15+. you shouldnt drive at all, period

[Dookus]

40. it sounds like

you need a serious readjustment of your driving habits before you kill someone.

[GoneOffShore]

59. Here's a thought for both of you.

Americans are the worst drivers I've ever seen, apart from a trip in Karachi.
I'd rather drive in Paris, Rome or London for a week than spend an hour driving on the New Jersey Turnpike or in San Francisco.
Americans think that their cars are their office, their living room, their breakfast nook and their makeup mirror. They drive with one hand or no hands on the wheel, they talk on cellphones, they don't signal their intentions, they tailgate and they have no conception of what it means to actually drive a car - mainly because of automatic transmissions and cruise control.
Road rage is the natural outgrowth of all of the above, plus the fact that Americans somehow feel 'entitled' to drive. What a crock. Driving is a privelege and a learned skill. And Americans learn to drive from their fathers - I know I did, but I didn't really learn to drive until I moved to England. It took me three tries to pass my driving test and I had to go to school to do it. And I had been driving school buses and taxis in this country for 5 years. The standard in Europe is higher. Here anybody can get a driving license, the same way they can get a gun (but that's another topic).

[allalone]

61. you're driving me crazy

your just giving us shit, right? Now you can tell they're republicans?
you're a mindreader?

[Unperson 309]

52. Would That Be Mulholland Drive?

The route betweem the San Fernando Valley and Los Angeles?

We drove that damned route DAILY for years! Great if you know every inch of the pavement and can speed up a bit, but *treacherous* in the rain or with poor drivers in front and/or behind!

Hairpin turns, switchbacks, gradients...

What people don't know is that the Jan and dean song "Deadman's Curve" was WRITTEN about Mulholland Drive!

My Dad wrecked the family DeSoto on Mullholland when some asswipe in a pickup truck bent over to retrieve a pack of smokes he dropped while driving. He drifted over into the opposite lane and totalled Dad's car. I got chills passing that spot ever after!

That's one wicked stretch of road! So's the Grapevine, as well!

NO place to play!

309

[shraby]

68. There is a posted speed limit.

I refuse to go much above that posted limit for some asshole who wants to speed. If I got stopped for speeding by a cop because of some tailgater, I would lose at least a half hour of my time, have to pay a fine on top of it, and in some cases have to go to court which takes up more of my time. Tailgaters are dangerous drivers, and when I have one behind me, I touch my brakes off and on until he isn't sure what the hell I'm going to do and he usually backs off. (it could be a he or a she)

[allalone]

60. ok I'm about to explode with bulletin board rage

Oh tell me, wise and powerful speeder and tailgater. How do you determine that the person in front of you is intentionally driving slow? and it appears that by slow you mean the speed limit. The speed limit is the TOP limit, NOT a suggestion. Do you hold a sealed envelope to your head? How DO you get the answer?
You know, we are all in on it. It's a giant conspiracy all we other drivers have joined just to irritate you! We have meetings every Wednesday night. Get over yourself.
I got tailgated a few weeks ago going 65 in a 55 mile an hour zone, the asshole then passed me over a double yellow line. Ok fine, figured I'd see him in a ditch greasy side up, but lo and behold, the asshole pulled into Ace Hardware. I didn't even know they HAVE an emergency room at Ace. Learn to manage your time. It will make your life and ours much more pleasant.

[1monster]

26. Bull! I've been going 65 mph down a 60 mph road and had other drivers

sitting less than two feet from my rear bumper even when they could easily pass me if they were so inclined. It happens on one stretch of road on a regular basis. Ticks me off royally. I try to leave three seconds between myself and the car ahead. That is the bare minimum to prevent accidents.

There is no good reason for tailgating, period. I don't go out into traffic to risk the lives of my family or my own. No one else should either.

[drdigi420]

32. then speed up or get over

you ARE risking the lives of ppl if you are riding that slow in the left lane when others want to pass

[SemperEadem]

43. overbearing sense of entitlement

The speed limit is the speed limit regardless of how recklessly one feels they're entitled to drive. Because if one does cause an accident due to recklessness and/or reckless disregard, whining about how slow the guy before them was driving will not cause the state to say "Yeah, you're right.. he was going too slowly and you were right to run him off the road at a high rate of speed and kill the family travelling in the oncoming lane... good job!"

I personally would much rather move aside and let them race headlong to their deaths... If some maniac with no coping skills wants to drive recklessly and endanger innocent lives because they feel that they're owed open road just because they're driving their car, then they should not be behind the wheel because they are then using their car as a weapon.

Hopefully, they will have arranged their finances so that their family will not be put out and forced to shift for themselves once they've been financially gutted for their recklessness and disregard for human life.

[1monster]

44. So glad to note from your profile that you don't live in Florida. However

considering that you are only a six to seven hour drive away from my town, I think you might be too close.

Please send me a warning if you are going to be driving south of the St. Mary's River on the East Coast... I want to make sure I'm off the road when you are on it...

[Violet_Crumble]

54. Going over the speed limit is going slow??

How does that work? If the speed limit is 60 and they're doing 65, they're not going slow.

[ronabop]

65. Grow up?

Learn a bit.

Read up on speeding laws and limits, and why, and how, they are determined.

I live in Atlanta as well, and hopefully, before I leave this godforsaken-self-important-it's-all-about-me-and-my-personal-happiness-state, I will get a chance to block you in legal traffic, causing you to get to work a whole whopping minute and a half later, inducing seizures, post-traumatic stress disorder, the shakes, acne, halitosis, and a general feeling of being annoyed that you didn't get to drive like a violently dangerous dumbshit redneck for one whole trip.

Okay, that was a tad bit over the top (sorry).... I just hate it here, and the lousy driving around here happens to be one of the reasons. ATL drivers are much like small children with cars... it's a red state.

-Bop

[neebob]

42. Tailgating, or ass riding, as I call it

is also a symptom of driving too fast and failing to realize that if the person you're ass riding steps on the brakes, you have no where to go. That's why there's a law against following too closely ... or at least I think there is. I live in rural Colorado, where we seem to have more than our share of ass riders. They make me furious, and I'm usually traveling at or slighty above the speed limit.

[progressivebydesign]

47. Absolutely NOT... are you SERIOUS???

Tailgating is a result of someone going too slow? I can kind of see what kind of driver you are, by that statement.

Tailgating means following one car too closely. It's illegal. That, and speeding, cause more accidents than anything.

If I'm going the freakin' speed limit, and you're on my tail, it means YOU are breaking the law. Not me.. If I don't choose to move over because 1) there's no place 2) I don't want to get behind someone slower, that's my right.

Tailgating is the worst kind of road manners. Honestly, if people showed basic good manners and care for other on the road we'd go without most 1) road rage 2) accidents 3) traffic jams.

I'm still in shock that someone would blame tailgating on the victim. That's a new one.

[jeffrey_X]

53. bull shit.

If I'm doing 70 (in a 65mph) in the left lane and some one is still tailgaiting me. I say get the fuck off my ass.

[Sirveri]

67. Why don't you just move over?

Move to a slower moving lane. If you're in the slow lane and they're tailgating, then yes, screw them. If it's a one lane highway with no passing, then screw everyone. But if it's multi lanes then you really shouldn't be in the far left unless you're passing people or driving really fast (I-5 comes to mind).

[Pithlet]

57. No

Being tailgated is usually a symptom of someone behind you driving like an asshole.

If the person in front of you is driving too slowly for your taste, wait until you get an opportunity and then pass them. There is no reason or excuse to tailgate. If the person in front of you had to stop suddenly for some reason, you could rear end them. It's no one else's fault if they decide to break the rules and drive unsafely by tailgating.

[OKNancy]

58. No tailgating is a symptom of assholes

most tailgaters think driving the speed limit or even 5mph over is too slow. Tailgaters are asshole no matter if the driver in front is going slow or not.

[Octafish]

77. Well said.

Another sign of assholes are the driving with the idiot lights on, the fog lamps.

But a tailgater is a sure sign of an asshole.

[Emboldened Chimp]

35. And if you make a mistake and almost cause an accident...

DON'T get pissed at the other guy!

[SemperEadem]

41. more like it's a result of poor coping skills

and having an overbearing sense of entitlement.

[allalone]

64. you do realize

that you are saying you have poor driving skills?

[patdem]

39. If anyone has driven for any number of years they have encountered

idiots of every ilk.

Once a truck was comming so fast up on my tail, I pulled off and exited the freeway. Of course I cursed him and hoped he would crash and have extended injuries...which is why victims cannot sit on a jury. He scared me..and I wanted to punish him with injuries..not exactly the punishment fitting the crime?

Then I had the sit at the light to make me get the red, because I beeped for them to move when the light changed. I was pissed, but not enough to persue the creep.

Then there was a man in a truck who was NOT wearing a seat belt, from the other side of the freeway...bounced himself and his truck within inches of my car because he did not have on his seat belt...he lost control when he was bounced out of the drivers seat. For those who hate the seat belt laws!!!

[depakid]

46. I nominate Hatcher for a Darwin Award... eom

[Robin Hood]

55. Road rage happens because you all are a bunch of selfish assholes.

I would also add moron to that list. You either have no clue of the immediate world around you or simply don't care about how your actions affect other people.

I have noticed that people push their shopping carts in the grocery stores the same way as they drive.

[sendero]

56. Another Darwin award...

... nominee!

[allalone]

62. here's an easy test to find out if you're a tailgater

If you have to put on your brakes more than once in a city block, you a following too close. It's as simple as that.

[wellstone dem]

69. PLEASSE PLEEEEEAASE REMEMBER

That some of those folks driving the speed limit are new drivers. My daughter is learning to drive and I won't let her drive over the speed iimit and she is regularly tailgated on two lane roads. We will pull on to the shoulder to let them past because she gets shook up at how close people are driving. She does not have the skills yet to drive over the speed limit. I still haven't found a good way to explain to her why it is ok to break the law and speed anyway. I don't ever pass if someone is doing the speed limit. Also those who complain about people going under the speed limit on country roads. If you take a look at them, the people are often senior citizens. Hey, give them a break, this may be their independence at stake. If they are driving safely but 5 or 10 miles under the speed limit, it just means I'm a minute or two later. It's my fault, I should have left on time.

[Speed8098]

70. I live on Long Island

Need I say more?

Seriously, the traffic on I-495(L.I.E.) is atrocious much of the time. Going westbound in the morning is a nightmare.

My question is this. If traffic is moving at 15-20mph with stop and go being the movement, why do some of you leave 20 car lengths between you and the car ahead of you?

It's call bumper to bumper, not bumper to.....................bumper.
Your arrogant approach to a traffic jam only slows traffic down.

I also wonder why people coming up to a red light will stop 50-60 feet behind the car in front of them. I've been in this situation, trying to get into the left turning lane at the next light and the asshole in front of me has stopped with all that distance in front of them, yet I can't get to the lane I need to be in to turn.

Turn your f*cking cell phone off.
Use your turn signal.
Be aware of the traffic around you.
You are NOT the only car on the road.
Be more considerate of the people around you.
Get the hell out of the left lane if you are doing the speed limit or less.
Have a nice day :)

[MrsMatt]

72. Agree with most of what you are saying

But one thing I'd like to address:

I took a defensive driving seminar through our State Patrol and we were taught to leave enough space at a stop light (you should be able to see all of the rear wheels of the car ahead of you) in the event you need to move your car in an emergency (i.e. emergency vehicles).

[allalone]

73. no offense but

you might want to get your eyes checked. You might be having a problem with depth perception. 50-60 feet? in city traffic at a stop light sounds like an overestimation. seriously.

[Speed8098]

74. The eyes are fine

It's the blue hair that scares me. And yes, in some cases50-60 feet.

Do you live here? If you do, I'm sure you've seen what I'm talking about. Unless....you're one of those people. :evilfrown:

The point is, be considerate of the people around you. You are not alone out there.

Some people drive faster than others, if you encounter someone who is coming up behind you at a fast pace, move over. If you're already in the right lane, just keep your pace, the speeder will either exit or get around you at their first opportunity.

And I'm serious about the cell phones. If I can use a hands free device, anyone can. Cell phone users are the worst offenders when it comes to stopping short of a light.

[timtom]

71. I live in Florida and

what happened to me on Friday, during afternoon traffic happy hour, raises 2 points:

Road Rage

Racism

I'm a pretty fast driver and I usually try to optimize my position in traffic. I try not to do it at someone's expense, but you don't always see everything. In this case, I have no idea what I did, but, at a stop light, a young black woman got out of her car and walked up to mine (but not to the window) and said I was an ignorant "cracker." I got out of my car, and asked her why she was using racist language and what did I do? Her answer was to get a baseball bat out of her trunk and yell at me to get away from her car. I asked her 2 more times what I did and she said "Get away from my car!"

I got back in my car and continued on home.

I concluded that there is something about driving that makes people suspend all moral and ethical underpinnings. I, myself, have felt murderous impulses because some ASSHOLE...some SUBHUMAN NOT FIT TO LIVE either cut in front of me or refused me access to a lane or -- whatever. Lately, I have become more compassionate and I try to be the guy that lets someone in a lane and I never tailgate.

America needs to rethink its transportation model.

[GoneOffShore]

78. I agree

See my post number 59