Pat Buchanan says Ronald Reagan would not have sat for seven minutes

[kentuck]

Commenting on the Scarborough show to a question by Ron Reagan Jr, he said he thought RR would have sat there for a minute, then offered some reassurance to the kids, then would have done what needed to be done..(paraphrasing)

They were showing the 7 minute clip from FH-9/11, the movie by Michael Moore. It was interesting to hear a long-time conservative like Patrick Buchanan finally say that maybe someone, especially Ronald Reagan, probably would have reacted differently.

[SixShooter]

1. He's right

No one with half a brain would've. I live in Sarasota...and I highly doubt any of the kids wouldve been seriously harmed if the president wouldve gotten up and said, "Sorry kids, gotta run"

[jeff30997]

2. That guy is strange...

One day he says the weirdest things like: Soviet Canuckistan,and the next he says something intelligent.Go figure.

[Generator]

6. He is strange and fun to watch

He was the only one that loved, I mean loved with a large L, Sharpton's speech at the convention. You never know what he's going to say.

[iamjoy]

7. Maybe He's Just Honest

Buchanan's politics are anethema to me. But, I think he has integrity. Buchanan is point blank (in what is often inflammatory language) about being pro-life. He doesn't b.s. his way around it like Dubya saying he thinks abortion is ok in cases of rape and incest and then doing everything in his power to establish legal precedents for life beginning at conception. "Let's have more abstinence education" our president says, leaving out that it means to the exclusion of birth control. Buchanan on the other hand comes right out and says the Western culture is dying because of birth control.

And isn't Buchanan against the Iraqi war? Like, why the heck are our boys dying for this country?

Buchanan scares the piss outta me, but at least he is honest.

[alphafemale]

22. Deepthroat?

More and more it seems he is the most likely suspect.

He does seem to have an underlying integritry that defies party loyalty.

[mountainvue]

24. Coud be.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

27. Did Buchanan Smoke Cigarettes? Does he still do so?

Deepthroat smoked.

[Kool Kitty]

29. I agree with what you said re:loyalty.

I think Pat Buchanan says what he truly believes (as twisted as some of his beliefs may be). I don't believe that he just spouts the talking points. And that makes him honest, which is more than I can say for 95% of the rest of the right-wing conservatives.

[Fitzovich]

35. agreed

[Bernardo de La Paz]

26. Buchanan's Best Quality (and it's important) is that He Listens

Buchanan holds some despicable positions, but watch how he listens carefully and respectfully when opponents speak. An important quality that all sides should emulate. However, it is not enough to redeem his radical right wing nut positions.

[Piperay]

32. Buchanan hated Poppy Bush

most likely he despises junior too.

[DWolper]

3. Not surprised by that

I've been discussing Pat Buchanan in another thread. Pat's right again. This is from a man who worked with Richard Nixon and Ronald Reagan. I am sure that to see Bush sit there for seven minutes presented quite a contrast to the two he worked with. I was quite opposed to much of what RR was all about, but he was a man's man and would have acted decisively in that moment. I have not a doubt.

[Lone_Wolf]

4. Reagan was an idiot...

Arguably even a bigger idiot than Chimp. All Reagan ever did his entire life was read lines written for him by someone else. There is no evidence that he had any thoughts of his own.

Pat Buchanan, and other Rightwingers like him, have been doing a propaganda campaign to transform him into some type of deity.

[DWolper]

11. Disagree

"Arguably even a bigger idiot than Chimp."

That argument would get an argument from me. Reagan advanced policies which most of us would disagree, but I don't buy the "he never had an original thought" line and also there is no way that he was a bigger idiot than Bush. No comparison.

[Lone_Wolf]

12. Let me pose this question...

How come after Reagan left office, we never heard from him again? (I'm talking the time period before it was known the he had Alzeimer's) Don't you find it a little suspicious that after he left office, nobody in the press bothered to get his opinion on anything? You have to admit that this is kind of unusual behavior for a press that promoted him during his time in office as some sort of genius who revolutionized government (i.e. The Reagan Revolution).

It was pretty common knowledge among the press corp at the time that Reagan didn't have a clue about what his own administration's policies were. He was just a talking head who was trotted out from time to time to read a script.

In comparison, the press seems to care an awful lot about what Clinton thinks.

[mountainvue]

23. Reagan's onset of Alzheimer's appears

to be right around the same time he was shot. I'm quite sure Nancy kept the press away after he left office. They crossed their fingers every time he spoke publicly durning his second term.

[drbtg1]

25. actually, there was one time that was pretty interesting

Post-presidency & pre-disease admission, there was a time he was at George Washington University getting an honorary degree. It was noteworthy because during this speech, Reagan actually stated support for gun control. Despite being so pro-guns during his tenure, now he finally comes out to see the light.

Makes one wonder what else he honestly believed when...oh, never mind. Being on the wrong end of a gun would probably change anyone.

Still think it's odd for Ron Jr. to be getting crap for "betraying the President's beliefs" when there's already this precedent.

[kskiska]

39. Yeah, I remember how when Ronnie left office

and kept waiting to hear whether he'd be consulted when crises arose, and he never was. He was only mentioned in the press when he gave a $1M speech in Japan or some such thing. He did appear on Larry King once. He and Nancy moved into a multi-million-dollar house in Bel-Air provided for them by "friends," as they were similarly housed when he was governor. There were no complaints as there were when Clinton moved to NY, and was even begrudged an office.

[Fitzovich]

34. I don't agree

Reagan was far from an idiot. I really, really didn't like him or believe he lead us in the right direction but, he was far from an idiot. He also understood how the media works and how to use it to the best advantage. He would not have waited 7 minutes and he would have gone directly back to DC. He understood image and perception unlike *. It's what he did for a living.

[tabasco]

44. The only difference between the Fake Cowboy and The Chimp ...

was that cowboy had smarter people around him. Fake Cowboy's handler's would have been smart enough to get him wheeled out of the classroom quickly for some photo ops of him "making decisions." Both of them stuffed shirts with no real influence on their administration's policies and decisions.

[wtmusic]

5. BREAKING...small animal crawls on Scarborough's head and dies

sorry, that was uncalled for :D

[kodi]

13. yeah, he stole jim trafficante's dead weasle toupe & is now wearing it

look at "dead-intern-in-my-office" scarborough's eyes. the man suffers from fetal alcohol syndrome.

so does bush

[TheWebHead]

8. Pat and everyone on that panel are saying

it's a mistake by Kerry to bring it up... I can't understand why. He was asked about it, and gave a reasoned response. I think everyone knew about him sitting reading a book, especially anyone who listens to Randi Rhodes - but everyone ties the 7 minutes now to Michael Moore to steer the debate.

[powergirl]

9. NOBODY WITH HALF A BRAIN WOULD SIT THERE FOR SEVEN MINUTES

DUH!!! A damn broomstick would have been more useful than Bush. I love hearing all of those right wingers try to spin Bush's reading "My Pet Goat" as "commanding leadership" "not scaring the children" "Collecting his thoughts"

If Clinton sat on his keister after someone told him the nation was under attack, can you imagine Hannity and Limbaugh? They would demand impeachment for incompetence. How did that idiot become president!!! OH yeah, I forgot, they STOLE the freakin' election.

Now I feel better.

[jeff30997]

15. Collecting his thoughts?

Wow!If his house is on fire,then by the time he's finished collecting his thoughts he would be toast.

[cmd]

18. Absolutely correct

I, too, was in the classroom on that day. When I heard about it, I put my kids to work on a project and headed to a phone to find out where my daughters were and if they were ok. In the seven minutes after I first heard about it, I had talked to my husband who was at home and a daughter who was in a skyscraper in Cleveland; and had e-mail contact with my other daughter who was about to leave for school at Wright State. I just can't believe the Bush could sit there and not wonder about his family.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

28. It's obvious, Bush was told to wait

"I just can't believe the Bush could sit there and not wonder about his family."

He was wondering about his family and his future (hence the expression on his face), but he had been told to wait (I suspect).

Someone wrote on DU that there was a sign held up at the back of the classroom telling him to wait. Any truth to that rumor?

[cmd]

37. But isn't HE the President?

Shouldn't HE be the one doing the telling?

[zuzu98]

10. It is a sad, sad day in America...

...when PAT BUCHANAN is one of the more 'fair & balanced' talking heads on TV.

[bobbieinok]

14. isn't there a video by symbolman or ? that shows W sitting

MUCH LONGER than 7 minutes????? more like 25-30 minutes until he starts moving???????

[Lerkfish]

16. my understanding is that the seven minutes...

are the result of editing down the full time for a video. I don't know how much LONGER than that it was, but even if it was only seven minutes, I can't imagine anyone with leadership ability would have just sat there while the US was under attack....unless he either has the IQ of dental floss, or it was LIHOP or MIHOP.

[Stephanie]

17. Here is a link to the original Booker School video

I'm on dialup - maybe someone else can time it. This video was mirrored all over the web when it was first discovered on the Booker School site.

[Maddy McCall]

21. Link...

I am on dial-up, but I would like to download it anyway and watch it.

[Stephanie]

40. Sorry! Here is the link

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/schoolvideo.html

[Unperson 309]

19. Timeline of Reagan on 9/11

CHILDREN: "... had a goat. He was a pet goat..."

ROVE (whispering): "Mr. President, the second building has been hit. we're under attack!"

CHILDREN: "He ate everything. He ate her books, he ate the laundry, he ate..."

VIEW OF WALL CLOCK as minutes pass...

ROVE: "Uh... Mr. President... did you hear me?"

REAGAN: "ZZZzzzZZZzzzZZZzzzZZZzzzZZZzzz......"


Nah... we were fucked either way!

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[mountainvue]

20. Patty B doesn't like W.

He doesn't like his deficits or his immigration policies.

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[WindRavenX]

31. George W Bush is the worst president ever

So what Pat boy said is absolutly correct; I loathe Reagan and his kind, but the fact is that ANYONE ELSE ON THE FING PLANET would've done SOMETHING instead of sitting for 7 straight minutes with an expression like he just shat his pants!

[Disturbed]

33. Point being missed.

The 7 minutes are not the ones that should be focused on. It's the 35 min. that Dumbass didn't do anything that should be scrutenized.

[CaTeacher]

36. who could really know what

Reagan would have done? This situation was unprecedented.

I take this as being simply Buchanan trying to enhance the Gipper's memory. It does not impress me much at all.

[seabeyond]

38. after 7 minutes of sittin, he then did a photo op, more like 26 min

then he couldnt get thru to his people in the white house as he flew in circles in florida, before he flew around the nation for a day, without addressing the american people to past 7 at night, while mayor of ny talk to the american people. this goes way beyond the 7 minutes

[LuCifer]

41. Y ou know the rightwingers have gone off the deep end when...

...Pat looks MODERATE!!! And sometimes, says things that are TRUE!

BE AFRAID!

Lu Cifer, reminding you that the REAL "Axis Of Evil" is BUSHitler, Crap Channel and the stupid FCC. And a BA BA BOOHIGH to y'all!

[HuckleB]

42. GWB is the only president in my lifetime who would have choked like that.

It's that simple. Bush is not fit for office. Period. I may disagree vehemently with the policies of Reagan, GHWB, Ford and Nixon, but I don't think any of them would have choked like this under similar circumstances, and I know that Carter and Clinton would have acted immediately.

[Geo55]

43. This should be pounded home...

Not everyone is a DU junkie , not everyone will see 9/11 , not everyone listens to AirAmerica & such.
Just yesterday I explained this to my mail guy...not sure of his political outlook...but you could see he was totally non-informed of the whole event....a curious expression came over his face.