Did Moore Say: "I hope more US Soldiers get killed" ??? (Scarborough)

[UdoKier]

I have seen this talking point on Moore repeated on the cable networks ad infinitum. It seems completely contrary to Moore's sentiments from what I know of him. Has this statement been debunked? Are they twisting his words?

Even if he really said such a thing, I don' think it diminishes the veracity of his films one bit, but it would disappoint me.

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[UdoKier]

6. Dude, I'm asking a serious question.

I get this crap ALL THE TIME from friends and I don't know how to answer it.

If you have suggestions on how to phrase the question, I'm listening. But this is NOT a disruptor thread. I seriously want to know.

[Kid_A]

14. Dude, the guy has over 400 posts. He's no troll.

Since when do we attack people here for asking questions we may not like the answers to?

[John_H]

24. A Google would have answered your question. No get back to the dentist

and get those teeth replaced, 'cause they're dropping out faster than you can type.

[The_Casual_Observer]

29. The number of posts is irrelevant to whether or not

somebody is a disruptor. Numbers like that are actually in the "sweet spot" for disruptors.

[UdoKier]

34. You're absolutely right. But this is not a disruptor thread.

I've been a Moore fan since "Roger and Me". I find it prretty harrd to believe he would say such a thing in such a context. I am just looking for ammo to ffight back when people throw this kind of crap at me.

[The_Casual_Observer]

50. Common sense prevails here

This simply isn't Moore's stated belief or position. He has stated over and over that he is 100% in support of the people in our military.

[Hutzpa]

32. 400 post means nothing, its the message n/t

[bushisanidiot]

2. Repeating a lie over and over doesn't make it true.

Moore is 100% pro-troops. If F 9/11 didn't prove that to you then you just weren't paying attention.

[nini]

3. I don't believe this..

he cares more about the troops than the morans that sent them over there in the first place

[jono]

4. Prove it.

[Worst Username Ever]

13. I get this crap too.

The burden of proof goes to the accuser. It is not my job to prove it wrong, it is their job to prove it right.

[Hutzpa]

35. What? please explain you thought n/t

[ieoeja]

47. It is impossible to prove "Joe did NOT say 'that'".

If you research Joe's written and on-air comments like a Republican after Clinton's penis and still don't find anything, you still haven't proven that Joe didn't say it. You've proven that you are unable to find proof of him saying it, but you've proven he didn't say it.

[sniffa]

5. hmmm

off the top of my head, (paraphrase) - moore said he doesn't support other countries sending their troops to heLp cLean up our mess, and Lessen our dead count. his quote, "the majority of americans supported this war and for that, their sons and daughters must be sent"

he never said "i hope more get kiLLed"

[UdoKier]

9. That's a start.

I honestly don't believe he would say this. Why doesn't he come out and defend himself?

[sniffa]

12. he doesn't have to

the quote he actuaLLy did say, is on tape.

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[UdoKier]

23. DON'T CALL ME A LIMBOT.

Go search my goddamn posts. You don't know an efffing thing about me.


You are a torch-carrying villager, as are all the posters attacking me for posting a reasonable question.

Christ, Moore supported Nader. He's not exactly a loyal democrat.

[Brotherjohn]

22. Yes, he basically was saying "WE wanted to do this. So WE have to foot...

... the bill... in money and lives. It's our baby. And since it is, WE are going to have to lose more and more of our children until we wake up and see that it's not worth it."

He said it clearly in the context of thinking this was horrible and unfortunate, but it simply is our responsibility now, and we can't expect other countries who were opposed from the beginning to give up their sons and daughters for it.

It really wasn't any different than Powell telling Bush that the "Pottery Barn rule" will apply to Iraq: "we broke it, we buy it". It was just inmore graphic (and real) terms, not a euphemism.

Oh, and he HAS defended the statement. BUt it comes to a point when (as always) the Repubs just don't listen and tell it however they want to tell it.

[ClassWarrior]

7. Please cite some links to sources where you've seen this nasty rumor...

...being peddled.

[UdoKier]

11. Killer Joe Scarborough rrepeated it several times last night...

Hannity uses it a lot too.

[UdoKier]

21. Link to the Scarborough transcript...

"The paper asked flamethrower Michael Moore to be their guest columnist during the Republican Convention, yes, the same Michael Moore who suggested that more Americans needed to be slaughtered in Baghdad so God and the Iraqi people could forgive America. "


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5621622/


(near the bottom of the page)

[ClassWarrior]

28. Consider the sources.

By the way, I was getting ready to smack down this thread when I thought it best to run searches on Google, Snopes, and MichaelMoore.com first. You know what? I can't find ANYBODY who's saying this - online at least. Not even the RW sites.

Nice try.

[UdoKier]

42. I did try Snopes. They didn't address it at all.

I guess I shouldn've tried the others too. I didn't expect the fanatical reaction. Apparently Moore is considered beyond reproach by many.

[ClassWarrior]

43. Yeah, we're all "fanatics" over here at DU, aren't we?...

[UdoKier]

49. Calling someone a rightwinger for asking a question is pretty fanatical.

I personally am fanatical in my beliefs about labor rights and progressive taxation, fair trade, etc. But I don't believe that any one person on the right or the left is above having questions asked about them.

This is my first experience in getting dogpiled on for asking a simple question. I'm actually a bit overwhelmed by it.

[ClassWarrior]

51. So now you're implying that we're saying MM is above being questioned.

Even though we never said such a thing. Hmmmmmm... what a fair way to defend your point.

[Walt Starr]

8. WEDGIE TIME!!!!!

[LoZoccolo]

17. "OKLAHOMA!"

"But he's from New Haven! He should know that!"

"OKLAHOMA!"

[NewYorkerfromMass]

10. Bush said it.

because he wants to be the war president.

[ParisFrance]

16. They will repeat this over and over because if people here this enough by

the right wing television media, they will believe it. I don't know if there is any truth to this , but I won't completly rule out that he didn't say this. Back to him comment, I think there are Americans all over who have had similar thoughts.

[wryter2000]

18. Hmmmm

I'd ask anyone who tells you this to point you to Moore's exact words. I know you can't do that with Hannity. But if someone else says it to you, ask for their source. I can't believe Michael Moore would say that.

[OneTwentyoNine]

19. Maybe you should have just asked instead of direct quotes.....

I'm not going to trash you but comeon....Don't just go quoting directly from idiots like Insanity,Limbaugh and the rest of those RW fruit cakes. 99.9% of the time its total BS.

David

[LoZoccolo]

20. Not one fucken match on Google, even from wingnut sites.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&q=%22I+hope+more+US+soldiers%22+Moore&btnG=Search

[oasis]

25. Bush is worse. Yesterday he clearly proclaimed "he wants to harm America"

:wow:

[UdoKier]

31. They cut Bush slack for being a moron...

it's just not fair...

[ClassWarrior]

37. The "Bush* is a moron" meme is part of their script.

He's not a moron. He's a dangerous criminal.

[oasis]

41. "They cut Bush slack"??? Do you mean Joe Scarborough and his ilk?

[UdoKier]

44. Sort of- the corporate media in general.

And I would say that almost all of them fall under "Scarborough and his ilk".

[oasis]

52. "Killer" Joe Scarbourough and Rush Limbaugh are about even in level

of crediblity. Many conservative journalists have not yet sank as low. Joe's a hatchet man for the right because the GOP honchos have a muder rap hanging over his head.

[geek tragedy]

26. Here's what he said--interpret it as you want.

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/message/index.php?messageDate=2004-04-14

<snip>
I oppose the U.N. or anyone else risking the lives of their citizens to extract us from our debacle. I'm sorry, but the majority of Americans supported this war once it began and, sadly, that majority must now sacrifice their children until enough blood has been let that maybe -- just maybe -- God and the Iraqi people will forgive us in the end.
<snip>

Bizarre.

[NYCGirl]

33. That's VERY DIFFERENT from the Scarborough quote!!!

The meaning is not the same, to say the least.

[UdoKier]

38. It's much less inflammatory than the Scarborough quote.

Thanks for the resource. I'm going to bookmark it.

[enki23]

27. i've never heard it, before you posted it

not from *anywhere*

why are you trying to start new anti-moore rumors?

[Jester_11218]

30. The whole movie was...

The 2 main themes of the movie, even though people don't seem to notice this, are 1. support the troops by not misusing our militay...a and 2. my favorite...why do we have to go to a movie to learn things that the news media should have told us.

He supports the troops and the entire movie screams that fact.

[Cocoa]

36. this is one of those threads

meant later to be posted at some RW site, to show that DUers hate the troops.

[UdoKier]

46. If that were so (and I resent the accusation), it's a terrible failure.

It's only shown DUers to be incredibly protective of Moore and his patriotism. That doesn't indicate a lack of support for the troops, IMO.

[klook]

39. This is completely jive

and of course none of these dumbasses can find a source for it, because it's straight from their moronic fantasies.

You might refer them to the scene in Fahrenheit 9/11 where Moore is talking with Lila Lipscomb in her kitchen about her family's history of military service, and he says to her, "This is a great country."

[HuckleB]

40. Ask for proof of those who claim the he said this.

I'd imagine that it would be on video, if he had actually said it.

Of course, he didn't say it, so they won't be able to find any proof for you.

You can't prove a negative. Remember that. The burden is on the accuser.

[Zorra]

45. Republicans lie all the time to convince ignorant people to vote for

republicans. Republicans do nothing beneficial for our nation, so they can not run on their achievements. Their only recourse is to make up lies.

O'Reilly, Hannity, Limbaugh, Coulter, Hedgecock, etc., are paid to lie. They know full well they are lying, no one in their right mind would say such blatant falsehoods unless they were saying these things to deliberately deceive the ignorant and uninformed. They get paid to lie to anyone stupid enough to believe them, and they laugh at these people all the way to the bank. Most people that believe them are not blessed with the intelligence to do research. They simply accept what these paid propagandists say is true, like sheep going to slaughter.

[ClassWarrior]

48. It's not even that they're not blessed with enough intelligence...

...to do the research. In most cases, they're just too frickin lazy!!

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