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ALago1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 10:52 AM
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The best spin the pundits could come up with for Kerry's speech...
...was that he "rushed" it.

Many people are saying that the content was excellent but the delivery was sped up to fit in given prime time constraints.

I think that if this is the only thing the mediawhores can complain about, then Kerry did a damn fine job.

I'm excited about the campaign season now!
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 10:54 AM
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1. The pace was great. He needs to pick up the pace and I'm glad he did.
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bobbieinok Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 10:56 AM
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2. you may be right....listening on radio--he often didn't give enuff
time for cheers to good lines

NOTE: this isn't a complaint, just a comment
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Sparkly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 11:28 AM
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19. However, there's one good thing about that
Nearly every clip the media replays, the crowd is cheering in the background, because of the way he talked over the cheers. I'm not sure if that was by design, but it gives a sense of the crowd's enthusiasm even in short clips.

(Contrast with the Chimp: Read a line, wait through applause. Read the next line, wait through applause...)
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 09:01 PM
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23. Bush* did a speech in MO today and thats exactly what he did.
Read a line, wait....read a line, wait. He can't go much faster because he has to read it first.
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October Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 11:15 AM
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15. The pace was perfect --
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cheezus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 11:37 AM
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21. I was very worried beforehand that Kerry would use this sytle
the one that Jon Stewart makes fun of.

Nope, he sounded GREAT! Totally exceeded expectations.
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bagnana Donating Member (858 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 09:33 PM
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24. I totally agree.
He normally speaks so slowly it makes me change the channel. Last night he talked normally and I was so glad.
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kwolf68 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 10:57 AM
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3. What


He isn't boring still? Aloof?

Now he's fast? LMAO.

They have nothing. The main weakness on Kerry was he was boring and a bad speechmaker. And when called to duty last night, HE NAILED IT.

I have a feeling whenever a challenge is presented to this man; he takes it on and wins. The fact he gave one of the greatest speeches I have ever heard him give says what kind of moxie he has under fire.

I see no possible way this man can or should lose to the Neolithic incompetence that presently resides at 1600 PA Avenue.
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napi21 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 10:58 AM
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4. Yea, they were gripeing last night that he didn't wait for applause!
When I heard that from Joe Scarboro I started to laugh. "Is that the best you can do Joe?"

I also heard HOward Fineman ask him if he was making Bill Clinton the judegemnt standard because he kept saying Clinton would have waited!

Too funny. I'm having fun today listening to all this.
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never_get_over_it Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 10:58 AM
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5. These are urgent times
n/t
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gasperc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 10:59 AM
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6. uhhh, I thought it was great, I had no problem following it
uhhh, like Jon Stewart was saying when the stupid pundits were ripping Sharpton's speech, were they watching the same speech????
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 10:59 AM
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7. So what!!! It's all sound bytes now.
I'm sure Kerry's team knew that would be the case.
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lancdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 11:00 AM
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8. I loved it
As for rushing it, it's best he didn't go past 11 p.m.
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Flubadubya Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 11:01 AM
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9. Hah, and they were bitchin' that it was going to be "too long"...
before he did it. That's all they could talk about yesterday... how it was going to be 55 MINUTES LONG! ...and how he was going to have a problem pulling off a speech that long because of his "charisma" problem and all that kind of crap.

I'm tellin' ya... if you're a Dem, your damned if you do and damned if you don't with this whoring-ass media. UGH! :grr:
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JohnKleeb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 11:01 AM
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10. well duh, he wanted all of america who was watching to see it
if he had taken his time and gone in to the 11:00 hour, it would have been interrupted for other shows and such.
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jjmalonejr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 11:01 AM
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11. It was rushed because the subject was urgent!
Do you think Paul Revere gave much thought to the pace of his delivery when he cried "The British are coming!"
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wishlist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 11:03 AM
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12. And who are they kidding saying that networks would have kept showing
Edited on Fri Jul-30-04 11:06 AM by wishlist
his speech if he had run over. Howard Fineman on Imus MSNBC this morning went on and on in a negative way about how Kerry should have taken longer and that even if he went 20 minutes over, the networks would have kept running his speech. What a crock of B.S.

I doubt very much my RW Sinclair Broadcasting ABC channel would have kept rolling his speech instead of their 11pm local newscast. Plus, think of how the media would have slammed Kerry and the Dems for incompetence and arrogance and ineptitude and dullness had his speech been longer, slower or run over the allotted time slot.

Reminds me of a supervisor who wrote on my yearly evaluation that I had completed more cases, interviewed more claimants and processed a higher workload than anyone else in the office BUT I interviewed too slowly and needed to speed up my case interviews! I couldn't win no matter what I did and neither could Kerry with this ridiculous crowd of media shills.
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Az_lefty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 11:07 AM
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13. I'm listening to it now from C-Span's stream
and I don't think it's rushed. Edwards speech seemed rushed to me, but not Kerry's.
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JayS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 11:10 AM
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14. Rushed it? He did speed up from his usual style but of that...
...I approve. If I wanted to be put to sleep I would have tuned in to Lieberman. :) :)

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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 11:19 AM
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16. I watched it on C-SPAN, trying to remain pundit-free. Did seem at
times he was trying to cut on through the applause, but so what? It was not distracting from the point of the speech. And what points he was making -- I didn't expect him to come out swinging that hard, but I was damn glad to see it. I can't see anything I'd have changed, and comparing this to any Bush speech, no contest.
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JLuckey Donating Member (160 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 11:25 AM
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17. In Contrast......
I watched a little of shrubs speech today. He would make a one sentence statement then wait adoringly for applause. It was PLASTIC and PATHETIC. It was embarrassing.
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SpaceCatMeetsMars Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 11:40 AM
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22. Also when I watched Kerry, I thought it was great how he
didn't let the crowd start chanting "Kerry, Kerry..." because I thought that at this time, it would seem inappropriate. The speech needed to be about our country, all of us, and how we will face the challenges. it would have been OK for the Nineties, but now it's too serious for that.

Of course, the stupid pundits siad the opposite because they had nothing to nitpick about, so they came up with this stupid pacing thing.
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qanda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 11:27 AM
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18. Like I said last night
He needed to finish it before Georgie went to bed.

But they need to make up their minds either he drones on and on or he rushes. It was a long speech and if he had delayed for applause, he'd still be speaking.
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EndElectoral Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jul-30-04 11:33 AM
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20. Pace was PERFECT..you need to maintain energy, drive the crowd upward
One of his problems has been sitting back and then havign to re-energize for the next point....this was perfect..best speech I've ever seen him give....

He kept the crowd rapt....excited , moving upward, and not havign to restart with points...

One of the best speeches I';ve ever seen..and positive to boot....
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