Warning: Dean Under Attack At Pipelinenews.org

[Maple]

"Time For Howie To Fess Up – Is Dean An Abortionist?
By William A. Mayer - Editor & Publisher - PipeLineNews.org
Howard Dean is a Park Avenue, left-wing Democrat whose claim to fame is having been in the right place when the Republican Governor of Vermont died of a heart attack in 1991.
Dean was born, raised and educated in New York.
Vermont – the “Ben & Jerry” state - is a strange place; arguably the most liberal state in the union. Many of its half-million residents come from either New York or Massachusetts -”flatlanders”–tugging it ever further left.
That’s correct, you read it right; a half-million residents - much smaller than innumerable moderate sized cities in America. The reality is that it’s a tiny little enclave holding little sway in the national political scheme except for the fact that in this run-up to primary season - in the Democrat party - the farther left and more anti-Bush you are, the more you are taken to the party’s radical bosom. Forget most everything you read about Dean in the main stream press; it reflects nothing so much as a sanitizing operation that makes the cleanup at ground zero in New York pale by comparison. Also forget that “fiscally conservative” load of horse excrement that Dean is always touting – the “penny-pinching MD” raised Vermont’s spending 48% from 1997-2000, from 1.6 billion to 2.44 billion."

This is part of a website posting I saw today....get on it....this is getting nastier given Dean's current popularity. There is lots more to this post.

On edit: quotation marks so you don't confuse me with pipeline

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[Pastiche423]

2. Hael???

[salin]

4. "left wing democrat"

are you in the "Dean's a moderate - not a liberal!" camp, or in the "Dean's too radical" camp? Guess the statement is subjective rather than a true/false "fact". As is the whole piece.

Is that Hael - a typo?

Or is this the third nazi reference on this board against a candidate in a week? (Not third from you - but the making of a very ugly trend).

BTW, I am not a "deanie", just found your statement .... interesting.

[Bombtrack]

11. I'm in the camp of understanding perception and political reality

I don't think Dean is a nazi or nazi-like, I just think his activists seem to be eerily obsessed with stifling any critism, even if it's a factual, albeit negatively toned, critism.

Dean has CHOSEN to present himself in a way which makes him the least electable serious candidate, for the general election, for the sake of preaching to the converted and doing whatever it takes to win the primary, even if it hurts the party as a whole.

He may not be a radicle, but it's clear that the majority of his support comes from people who are adimantly anti-mainstream, and easily manipulatable, which reflects part of the reason why he would be the ideal candidate for any GOP strategist

[VermontDem2004]

12. ...sigh...

the people who are easily manipulatable are Bush supporters. He is the most electable serious candidate for the general election.

[salin]

14. PLEASE find another short analogy to make that point

nazi references are appalling. Seems more made to incite than to provoke thought. There are other ways to make a point.

A few days ago Dean fans were equated to nazi death camp guards, happy to be getting a promotion (point being how folks can ennure themselves to evil and be happy with position - while blocking out EVIL).

A few days before that Lieberman was a callous Jew who would have turned Ann Franks over to the Nazis.

Ugly little trend - when we have this vast language and great mnds that can surely comeup with better examples than nazi references/rhetoric/imagery.

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[Bombtrack]

21. I have educated myself

polisci is my minor in college, public policy analysis is one of majors and this will be my junior year in a few weeks. I also studied polisci in Highschool and I read atleast 2-3 political publications per week

95 percent of respected non-dean strategists and or political academics and histrorians will tell you and are saying the same thing

The other candidates are "speaking out" and if you listened to them you'd know that

Nobody is manipulating him, he is manipulating you people and the right is helping his campaign in anyway they can

almost The ONLY reason his campaign has gotten it's numbers is because he made a political decision to be the anti-war candidate. There aren't any non anti-war Dean activists and if you could find one he or she would be a complete red herring. That's all these people care about, sour grapes over what they are convinced they must be right about

[Capn Sunshine]

16. AGAIN with the " least electable "line!

Until you drop this artifice and challenge Dean on specific positions and merit, your argument has no validity.

Come on, it's not that hard........
If you're voting republican

[xchrom]

19. that's your opnion

not ''biblical truth''.
you would need to present irrefutable empirical evidence to stick with statements about dean's unelectablity.
i have doubts about a lieberman candidacy or another too moderate dem because i think more lefties will jump ship -- but there is no hard and fast proof that is the case.

[Bombtrack]

23. Lieberman can't get the nomination

This race is only going to be between Kerry, Dean, Gephardt, and Edwards. Unless Clark announces

It's an educated informed assessment that the most pro-tax increase, anti-war, pro-civil union, leftist homestate/region, and generally pessimistic democrat will not defeat a 4-1 outspending Bush with the big probability of an a slightly improved economy and a more stabalized Iraq

My entire second semester this previous year in my modern politics class was spent analyzing the current dem feild as a class and Dean always came out in a very good case scenario(for democrats) as getting less than 120 electoral votes and the dem party losing 5-8 seats in the senate and 7-12 in the house

[loyalsister]

24. careful

"My entire second semester this previous year in my modern politics class was spent analyzing the current dem feild as a class and Dean always came out in a very good case scenario(for democrats) as getting less than 120 electoral votes and the dem party losing 5-8 seats in the senate and 7-12 in the house"
If this is based on in class analysis, it's probably based on past history. Unfortunately, there is no reliable reference for the full context of the election field we currently see. While such an analysis can certainly contribute to the formation of opinions, that fact might be considered carefully before proclaiming any degree of certainty about electability.

[Bombtrack]

26. of course it's not CERTAIN

however, these things(polls, projections, etc) aren't usually way way, off.

For Dean to get 270 electoral votes, he would almost ceratainly need a second recession to occur, and have the transitional Iraqui government completley implode or some other thing go hugely wrong(and I know people here will tell you everything there already is going wrong).

Almost no experts in these areas would assess that Dean would have a better shot than Kerry, much less a better shot than Edwards, and that he wouldn't usher in many more losses in both houses of congress if nominated

it's not an exact science but it is still a science. Dean would appeal far, far, less to the electorate than Bush, numbers wise

[AWD]

28. Hmmm....

Almost no experts in these areas would assess that Dean would have a better shot than Kerry, much less a better shot than Edwards, and that he wouldn't usher in many more losses in both houses of congress if nominated

Dean has no better shot than EDWARDS???

Why do I keep hearing "Dream On" by Aerosmith in my head????

Hey, you forgot to call somebody a Nazi in your last post, by the way. You must be slipping.

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[Bombtrack]

27. How am I an anti-semite? Please explain

you're really reaching here

Cause I'd have to tell my jewish roommate why I;m against him according to you

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[mjb4]

3. Jeb did the same thing....

remember. Bush won TX and Jeb lost Florida. 6 months later the very popular gov was dead of a "heart attack". One f the first coups and started the Bush kids don't fail in public mantra. I do think Jeb was in on the kill or one of his Cuban supporters...Who wants to be known to have lost to GWB!

[VermontDem2004]

5. This columnist

keeps bitching about how small Vermont is, I suppose only Mayors from LA, Houston, New York, other big cities are qualified to be governors. Also, Governors from Texas, California, New York, Florida, other heavily populated states are the only ones qualified to be President. Also, I suppose being a congressman from districts with big cities makes you the only one qualified to be a Senator. I guess Clinton being from the small state of Arkansas was not qualified to be President, but he turned a huge deficit into a huge surplus.

EDIT:The columnist forgets to mention that he cut taxes three times, reduced spending, and paid down the debt which is fiscally conservative. But I call him fiscally RESPONSIBLE. Bush is a conservative and fiscally irresponsible, Clinton is a democrat and was fiscally responsible, Bush I was a republican and fiscally irresponsible.

[Yentatelaventa]

6. What, exactly is false about any of that posting?

Do you have anything to dispute their statements?

[molly]

7. Have Ben and Jerry endorsed anyone?

[VermontDem2004]

8. Kucinich

[molly]

9. Hmmm

not their very own ex-gov? That's strange?

[VermontDem2004]

10. I think it had to do with Kucinich's politics

rather then Dean being from Vermont. Kucinich is far left, it matches up with Ben and Jerry who are far left.

[ErasureAcer]

22. Ben and Jerry say "no to empire" and thus no to Dean

www.kucinich.us
Dare to Dream

[sandnsea]

13. Being liberal under attack

We're going to have to challenge the liberal bashing because the only Democratic candidate who can't be bashed this way is Lieberman.

And it's really stupid to bash a doctor because he may have performed an abortion. That's what doctors do when their female patients could die, get very sick, lose the ability to have more children, etc., etc., etc. We're moving into a place where women's health is going to be at risk, not just her reproductive rights.

Would Frist perform an abortion if the pregnancy would harm a woman's chance to have future children? Has anybody asked him?

[Capn Sunshine]

18. Frist ? He'd refuse and adopt the dying womans cats.

[Capn Sunshine]

17. This Shitstain blogspot is no worry to me

They are grotesque in their blatant mouthpiece of the right stances and propaganda.
Why even bother with fools such as these? They are still playing up the "democrats are anti-catholic" BS. That was a non starter the day they first uttered it.

[FreeperSlayer]

20. vote clark

our only chance

[bluestateguy]

30. “penny-pinching MD” raised Vermont’s spending 48% from 1997-2000"

Well, uh, that tends to happen during periods of major prosperity when tax revenues soar in the states. Vermont, unlike Texas, was smart enough not to give all the money away on tax cuts for the rich and the oil and gas industries.