Read what our military people are saying about bush

[ursacorwin]

just got this from "militarycity.com" where army/navy etc times subscribers go.

here:http://www.militarycity.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1-292259-1989240&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=15

you have to logon/register to read it, but can i just say i'm shocked to read this kind of writing...my bad! all of you who've been badmouthing the military *really* need to take a look at this.

(this is on an article about VA and military cuts in AirForceTimes)

"...all of you liberal weenies out there, that article was a typical left wing piece of crap. All of you folks must have forgot what it was like to serve in the military under Carter and Clinton"

I served under Nixon, Ford, and Carter. No difference between them. The Navy ran the same way, regardless. The pay sucked just as much from one to another. Are you sure it was the Clinton presidency and not the Republican House and Senate that was the problem?

"The Democrats are for the most part liberals, and for the most part 'liberals don't like the military'"

You see, that kind of ideological garbage has no place in a rational discussion of the issues. It may make you feel good to rant and rave about how you think things are, but it doesn't jive with facts. Ask any veteran in Minnesota that had to deal with health or benefit issues up until last October and they'll tell you that nobody helped them more than Paul Wellstone. How could that be, though? He was not only a liberal, he was a Liberal and damn proud of it. The thing is, he didn't have anything against people serving in the military. AND, he didn't forget about them when they got out. Unlike a number of people in the White House, it wasn't about what the military could do for him. It was about what he could do for them.

You know, cinngary, you really need to look around a bit and check out some different sources of information. It's not as cut and dried as you think. Those chickenhawks in the White House are not real fond of servicemen. They like to rattle sabres and talk tough , but they always thought of themselves as too important to actually serve in the military with us lowlifes. marrdcheez left you a link to Bush's service record. I think you should go read it and find out what kind of guy you're fawning over. While you're at it, think about Max Cleland and think about the kind of people who would accuse him of being unpatriotic just so they could beat him in an election.
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2003 2:45 pm Post subject:

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I would like to echo the two previous entries, plus add a few more comments. The hard right seems to always relate a high DoD budget with "taking care of the troops". That is not always the case. It just means more $$$ are being spent on the big ticket items, some of which the military does not even want.

Regarding past Presidents, one of the biggest pay increases for the military was under Carter. Also, the FIRST document Reagen signed after taking office was a freeze on military pay. He stopped an approved raise, but that same year, he also proposed one of the biggest DoD budgets since WWII.

Regarding concurrent receipt and other "promises made" it was said; "that ain't going to happen",, well, guess what? It sure ain't if we all do as suggested and lay back and trust GWB and the other politicians in D.C. to do what is right by our veterans. If we can afford to give Filipino veterans of WWII health benifits, we can damn sure take care of our own first!

As to Gore vs Bush, we have no way to decern how Al Gore would or would not have reacted to 9/11.
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[Trajan]

1. There is a DIRECT correlation

Between 'Intelligence', a 'warm, articulate nature', and a Liberal worldview ....

These guys in the Military who work their ASSES off to learn their craft, they are NOT stupid, which means they are more likely to understand the BS shovelled regularly by the GOP chickehawks ...

Bush IS fucking them, right this moment ...

They know it ....

THANKS for this one ... its a prize ....

[ursacorwin]

4. and what really blew my socks off

was a post on another thread from a military person using links from *commondreams.org* to prove a point!!!

i'm trying to get the "why i hate the military" crowd to see that we're shooting ourselves in the foot when we whitewash all military people into one big pro-bush lump. not all of them are poor, uneducated, stupid, hateful and unthinking. heck, some of them don't even *like* to kill.

but whatever the case, they're people- people with families, bills, career aspirations, and voting rights! thus, we should be over there every day, dropping little bits of additional wisdom and helping out those over there already preaching our song.

cmon military hating people- fess up! you know you're impressed...:P

[AmyStrange]

8. I hate the military...

but I love each and every person in it and just want to hug them all forever and ever and never let them go. Each one has a Mom and Dad and friends and other people who love them terribly...

Dave (AmyStrange.com)

DU (slang/ folklore) Glossary (Dictionary): http://DUG.SeattleActivist.org/
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(edited: to death = forever and ever and never let them go)

[chadm]

10. I agree

we have to seperate the actual human beings from the charachatures we are presented with on TV.

[midnitemoleman]

2. I love my military, and my country, and my Democratic Party!

I served in the US Army, and the republicans said I was a commie, go figure!

[karlschneider]

3. I read the whole thing and didn't have to log in or register. I'm guessin

the link you posted bypassed the front page and they haven't hidden it.
Very interesting.
;-)

[ursacorwin]

5. ummm, ursa is not the most savvy

computer person, i often don't understand the whole link/post/thread mechanism.

(but ask me about comparitive semitic philology- i'm pretty good ;-)

[PretzelWarrior]

6. AWESOME POSTS! Let's hope 43* loses 43 states.

He's pissed off enough veterans, exreme rightists, libertarians, and of course liberals and moderates that it could be a major "Shot down in flames" event in 2004 as long as people like Dean/Kerry/Graham/etc all keep Bush honest and Bev Harris and her type of investigating teams keep voting honest.

[blondeatlast]

7. Go to page 1 (link in message)

http://www.militarycity.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=1-292259-1989240&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0&sid=fb0f539d72c313676deca1d9d6963794

BTW, so much for the perception that our enlisted men and women and their families are stupid and uneducated; these people are more adept with language than most DUers.

Fireproof 'roos on.

[AntiCoup2K4]

9. Best quote in that whole thread (page 1)

He isn't a hero. He is a coward who ran when his country called for his service. He is a deserter. He is even less fit to be Commander-in-Chief than the last guy we had as President.

Guess that explains why he dared the Iraqis to "bring it on" against our troops over there. He's free to talk tough and strut around pretending to be a warrior and a man. His butt has never been on the line, and it never will be. You'll never see George W. Bush put himself in harm's way. Just like on 9/11, when he ran like a coward and hid in a bunker for almost 12 hours before popping up like a gopher after he was sure it was safe to come out, then he jumps out and starts strutting around and talking like Clint Eastwood.

[Room101]

11. Print out the DAV press release and give it to people with

support the troops signs. They will be deer in headlights. And print out that army times article.