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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 12:27 PM Original message |
Would Bush have attacked Iraq without the IWR vote in Congress? |
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KittyWampus (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
1. Yes, IMO IWR Just Made Bush's Unilateral Approach More Obvious |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 12:32 PM Response to Reply #1 |
3. But how? |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 12:33 PM Response to Reply #3 |
6. Legal justification???? |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 12:39 PM Response to Reply #3 |
14. Presidents have been going to war without congress for a long time. |
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Yupster (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 10:13 PM Response to Reply #14 |
105. True enough |
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GreenArrow (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:43 PM Response to Reply #3 |
97. "absence of evidence |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 12:30 PM Response to Original message |
2. Yep,he would have |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 12:38 PM Response to Reply #2 |
13. You miss the point entirely |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 12:42 PM Response to Reply #13 |
18. If that's what Representatives should do... |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 10:09 AM Response to Reply #18 |
120. Well put |
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WilliamPitt (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 12:42 PM Response to Reply #2 |
19. Speaking with Ritter |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 12:52 PM Response to Reply #19 |
31. I read the book |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 12:55 PM Response to Reply #31 |
33. How could it? |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:33 PM Response to Reply #33 |
94. Nothing would have stopped Bush. Nothing. But most of the Dems... |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:01 PM Response to Reply #19 |
40. sorry, the "threat of force" is based upon the premise... |
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paulk (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 10:05 AM Response to Reply #40 |
119. The IWR vote happened before UN resolution 1441 |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 10:11 AM Response to Reply #119 |
121. Exactly--no connection |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
4. Yes, without a doubt. |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 12:35 PM Response to Reply #4 |
11. "Politically voting for it was really the only option." |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 12:41 PM Response to Reply #11 |
16. You have an odd conception of morality. |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 12:42 PM Response to Reply #16 |
20. ah,the idealogical purity argument |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 12:45 PM Response to Reply #20 |
23. Deleted message |
Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 12:54 PM Response to Reply #23 |
32. Deleted message |
K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 12:58 PM Response to Reply #32 |
37. So it is immature to point out an immature cop-out argument? |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:15 PM Response to Reply #37 |
49. you might want to take a look at your control issues |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:20 PM Response to Reply #49 |
53. Deleted message |
Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:45 PM Response to Reply #53 |
78. You've won me over. I feel very close to you. |
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Forkboy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 12:57 PM Response to Reply #23 |
35. Thanks but no thanks |
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Name removed (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:00 PM Response to Reply #35 |
38. Deleted message |
PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 10:55 PM Response to Reply #16 |
107. Pardon me... |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 12:38 PM Response to Reply #4 |
12. no it wasnt |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 12:43 PM Response to Reply #12 |
21. Lets try to use some logic here. |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 12:48 PM Response to Reply #21 |
29. I like logic too |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 12:51 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. You didnt show that at all |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:02 PM Response to Reply #30 |
42. 2/3 of the dem caucus in the House |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:13 PM Response to Reply #42 |
47. so what? |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:22 PM Response to Reply #47 |
54. When I say they shouldnt have voted for the IWR |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:25 PM Response to Reply #54 |
60. You havent made a moral case either. |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:30 PM Response to Reply #60 |
63. if enough no votes had been brought together |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:34 PM Response to Reply #63 |
67. So you vote for superficial beliefs, not for actually effecting the system |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:38 PM Response to Reply #67 |
72. so we are supposed to go along with destructive ideas |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:44 PM Response to Reply #72 |
76. no one is advocating destructive ideas |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:53 PM Response to Reply #76 |
84. the war was a destructive idea |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:02 PM Response to Reply #84 |
87. The war wasnt the democrats idea. |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:09 PM Response to Reply #87 |
89. They controlled the Senate |
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wtmusic (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 10:12 AM Response to Reply #67 |
122. superficial beliefs??????????? |
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greatauntoftriplets (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:34 PM Response to Reply #12 |
69. And Dick Durbin voted against it. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 12:56 PM Original message |
The "Democrats weren't given much of a choice.."? |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:02 PM Response to Original message |
41. Fine, you can live in a one party system. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:22 PM Response to Reply #41 |
55. Apparantly, they don't need them. |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:28 PM Response to Reply #55 |
62. Fine, demonize the democrats. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:40 PM Response to Reply #62 |
74. Politically fickle left? |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:51 PM Response to Reply #74 |
83. You missed my point. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:08 PM Response to Reply #83 |
88. Nice try. |
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Carolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 12:56 PM Response to Reply #4 |
34. "The democrats weren't given much of a choice..." |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:08 PM Response to Reply #34 |
45. Give me a break. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:19 PM Response to Reply #45 |
52. But, 23 voted "no" anyway. |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:23 PM Response to Reply #52 |
57. You are the one trying to find wrongs here. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:34 PM Response to Reply #57 |
68. Kerry would be in a helluva lot better postion if he had voted no. |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:39 PM Response to Reply #68 |
73. Kerry would not be in a better position at all. |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:47 PM Response to Reply #73 |
79. The "only a little bit pregnant" argument? |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:58 PM Response to Reply #79 |
86. He didtn bet on it going well. |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:57 PM Response to Reply #68 |
85. That political expediency may very well cost us the election |
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Carolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:25 PM Response to Reply #45 |
59. give me a break with that |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:32 PM Response to Reply #59 |
65. I wont agree with bad points |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 11:10 PM Response to Reply #45 |
108. Excuse me... |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:05 PM Response to Reply #4 |
44. so you condemn the democrats who had the courage... |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:25 PM Response to Reply #44 |
58. Yes, that condemnation is what is being said |
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mellowinman (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:57 PM Response to Reply #58 |
98. The RW has successfully split YOU from the dems. |
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Kanary (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 03:12 PM Response to Reply #98 |
99. I don't have to "guess"...... You've chosen to be a splitter...... |
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mellowinman (540 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 05:44 PM Response to Reply #99 |
101. Wow, the depth of your arguments |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 12:32 PM Response to Original message |
5. June 13, 2002 |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 12:35 PM Response to Reply #5 |
10. arent you also in the |
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sandnsea (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 12:44 PM Response to Reply #10 |
22. Woodward's book was when??? |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 12:33 PM Response to Original message |
7. I believe that not only would he have found another way to do it, he would |
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nothingshocksmeanymore (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 12:41 PM Response to Reply #7 |
17. BINGO |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 12:46 PM Response to Reply #7 |
25. Bingo, and if the war had gone even a little better, wed have 1 party left |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:35 PM Response to Reply #25 |
70. answer me this, genius |
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TeacherCreature (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 09:16 AM Response to Reply #25 |
117. well why not just suspend democrats and save on their pay? |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:13 PM Response to Reply #7 |
48. you need to revisit the IWR vote tally.... |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:16 PM Response to Reply #48 |
50. They were freed up by yes votes in less liberal districts. |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:23 PM Response to Reply #50 |
56. sorry, it still never happened.... |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:31 PM Response to Reply #56 |
64. It's a prediction&analysis and not a rationalization. & Kerry & Edwards... |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:45 PM Response to Reply #64 |
77. more dire predictions based on rantionalizations of events... |
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AP (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:20 PM Response to Reply #77 |
91. Yes. Let's no one contemplate the future and draw out arguments of |
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TeacherCreature (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 09:13 AM Response to Reply #7 |
115. NO WAY |
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Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 09:42 AM Response to Reply #7 |
118. So...Bush* has the superhuman power to 'send Dems into the wilderness'... |
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LittleApple81 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
8. It is a moot question with a Republican congress. n/t |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 12:34 PM Response to Original message |
9. maybe |
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Career Prole (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 12:41 PM Response to Original message |
15. Of course he would have, and the repukes were saying as much. |
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Devils Advocate NZ (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
24. A far more important question - does voting for the IWR... |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:32 PM Response to Reply #24 |
66. yes it does.... |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 12:46 PM Response to Original message |
26. Yes. And, the IWR vote has cost lives. |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 12:48 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. You contradict yourself |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 12:58 PM Response to Reply #28 |
36. Lets say a friend and I |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:17 PM Response to Reply #36 |
51. Bad analogy |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:28 PM Response to Reply #51 |
61. heh |
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K-W (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:36 PM Response to Reply #61 |
71. Martyrdom is not a good political strategy. |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:44 PM Response to Reply #71 |
75. YES HE DID! |
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PassingFair (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 11:21 PM Response to Reply #51 |
110. Your analogy shows your selfishness, k-w |
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Tierra_y_Libertad (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:01 PM Response to Reply #28 |
39. The "Good German" defense? |
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CTLawGuy (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:03 PM Response to Reply #39 |
43. BINGO! |
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Carolina (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:13 PM Response to Reply #28 |
46. if Bush was going anyway |
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mike_c (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:49 PM Response to Reply #28 |
80. the invasion and occupation cost lives-- the IWR simply made... |
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Cleita (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 12:48 PM Response to Original message |
27. Yep, like true Nazis they are working within the law when they can |
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killbotfactory (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:50 PM Response to Original message |
81. He was threatening to |
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maggrwaggr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 01:51 PM Response to Original message |
82. of course he would have. But that misses a major point |
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Jose Diablo (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:09 PM Response to Original message |
90. Politically, the Congress had no alternative but to vote for IWR |
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Kahuna (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:29 PM Response to Original message |
92. Absolutely! He only used the vote as a 2002 election wedge issue. |
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Amarant (98 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:31 PM Response to Original message |
93. No |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 10:22 AM Response to Reply #93 |
123. Absolutely wrong |
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kiahzero (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
95. Absolutely |
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Media_Lies_Daily (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 02:37 PM Response to Original message |
96. Yes. The plan was already in full swing. |
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Solly Mack (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 03:45 PM Response to Original message |
100. Yes but the IWR vote helped to legitimize the unprovoked invasion |
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remfan (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 07:15 PM Response to Original message |
102. From DU1 |
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stilleon (4 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 08:59 PM Response to Original message |
103. Keys to the car |
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Jacobin (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 09:41 PM Response to Original message |
104. No. Congress holds the purse strings |
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DemBones DemBones (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 10:35 PM Response to Reply #104 |
106. Kerry and Edwards voted against that funding bill |
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Mr_Spock (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Sun Jul-18-04 11:10 PM Response to Original message |
109. Of course |
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truthspeaker (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 08:56 AM Response to Original message |
111. Hell yes. Even claimed at the time he didn't neet authorization |
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Jack Rabbit (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 09:06 AM Response to Original message |
112. We'll never know, but I believe the answer is YES |
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TeacherCreature (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 09:10 AM Response to Original message |
113. I can smell another rationalization coming on |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 09:10 AM Response to Original message |
114. If Congress had voted down the IWR, and Bush had gone ahead with war |
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sangh0 (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 10:24 AM Response to Reply #114 |
124. Like the REPUKE Congress was going to vote to impeach Bush* |
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IndianaGreen (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 04:47 PM Response to Reply #124 |
126. So why do we even need those whimps in Congress if... |
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Q (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 09:16 AM Response to Original message |
116. Kind of a weak argument for... |
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Walt Starr (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore | Mon Jul-19-04 10:28 AM Response to Original message |
125. My opinion, no |
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