I downloaded F911 from the internet.....sorry, but I am unemployed

[Th1onein]

and dead broke, and I just couldn't stand it any longer. I had to see it.

It was, indeed, a good movie. And it covered a lot of things that have been covered here. I think that it will blow the minds of some Republicans. It is a history-maker, in and of itself.

[merh]

1. I believe Mike Moore has said he doesn't have a problem with it

being downloaded. If he didn't, I am sure he would understand your situation and not have a problem with the download.

Glad you enjoyed it as much as the rest of us. I am with you, can't wait till more and more repugs see it. It is definitely enlightening.

[Wonk]

4. Link

http://www.sundayherald.com/43167

(snip)

Controversial film-maker Michael Moore has welcomed the appearance on the internet of pirated copies of his anti-Bush documentary Fahrenheit 9/11 and claimed he is happy for anybody to download it free of charge.

The activist, author and director told the Sunday Herald that, as long as pirated copies of his film were not being sold, he had no problem with it being downloaded.

“I don’t agree with the copyright laws and I don’t have a problem with people downloading the movie and sharing it with people as long as they’re not trying to make a profit off my labour. I would oppose that,” he said.

more...

[DS1]

11. This has been debunked

[Wonk]

13. Link? nt

[rman]

18. no it hasn't been debunked

-

[DS1]

28. Yes it has

[JanMichael]

33. Where? Just saying that it's so doesn't make it so.

So if you got some evidence of this oft repeated claim, please show it!

I'd seriously like to see Moore's views on this.



PS~ I'll be trying to find it as well:-)

[Columbia]

37. Here's a video clip

http://www.flirble.org/mirror/Michael_Moore_about_filesharing.avi

[JanMichael]

40. Thank you.

I wonder why it was claimed to be "debunked"?

What a load of bunk.

[IronLionZion]

62. DS1, YOU have been debunked

If you don't like pirating then just say so. Don't speak for Michael Moore when he is on video supporting it. He wants people to see his work, even if he doesn't get paid.

cheers
Indy

[JanMichael]

39. "Debunked"? Why'd you say that? Did you make it up?

Here is (Audio/Video) of Moore saying that he thinks it's OK.

OK?

[nose pin]

44. The debunking has been debunked.

Now, can someone debunk the debunking of the debunking please?

[Bread and Circus]

43. That dude is my hero...if only Metallica felt the same way....

Lars Ulrich really let me down when he testified vs Napster.

How anti-rock/roll can Lars get?

[uncle ray]

56. yeah, wanna hear some irony?

the upcoming metallica movie was one of the trailers when i saw f9/11 on opening weekend!

[rocktivity]

85. I was one of the first rock journalists to ream Lars a new one

If any other band in the universe had come out against Napster, I would have been willing to at least consider their position. But Metallica got where they are PRECISELY by breaking the rules--encouraging fans to copy and distribute their music, and installing bootlegging sections at their concerts!

:headbang:
rocknation

[DemBones DemBones]

96. No doubt you employ a collection agency to get your fees

from deadbeat patients so why trash artists who want to protect their work and be paid when people watch or listen to it? Artists have to eat, too, and so do all the people involved in producing, marketing, and distributing their work. You surely make more money as a physician than most musicians or filmmakers do and your career will last longer than most of their careers, too.

[wtmusic]

2. I'll go see it an extra time in your name

:thumbsup:

[Th1onein]

15. Thank you!

eom

[Poll_Blind]

3. "Dead broke" enough to afford a high-speed internet connection?

Schweet story. Oh, forgot, you've been downloading it for the last 18 days over a free AOL dialup...

PB

[Th1onein]

16. Thanks so much for judging me and my situation!

I have a cable modem, which costs $30.00 a month. I don't have a telephone and I don't have hot water, am unemployed, and my husband hasn't been paid in over two weeks. And, it won't be long before they cut the cable internet access off, too. Oh, and the only thing in the house to eat? Microwave popcorn. If it's any of your business.

But, once again, thanks so much for judging me and my situation.

[Swamp Rat]

26. I know what it is like to be on the edge of disaster...

I wish you well. :hug:

[Pepperbelly]

27. Your world sounds a lot like mine.

I can't even seem to scrape together five bucks to send to DU, not with the power company looming over me while I roll pennies to pay them. Hell, even my car tags are expired.

And I work every day.

Welcome to Dick Cheney's America.

[Citizen Daryl]

48. When You're A Liberal In This Country, Internet's Not A Luxury

... it's a necessity.

[Citizen Daryl]

49. I have downloaded and made copies for several people.

I give it to them absolutely free, but I ask that they promise me one thing: If the film makes an impact on them, they have to go to their nearest theatre showing the film and BUY A TICKET. They don't have to go in and see it again, they just have to buy the ticket.

So far I've given three copies away. So far I've been shown two ticket stubs.

[Cha]

57. Aren't you sweet!

[KoKo]

76. Amazing folks who don't have money who can "fast download" Pirated

copy of Moore's Documentary. I'm on "dial up" and not in financial difficulty...but wonder how folks can afford DLS/Cable/T-1 when they claim they are too poor to afford a movie ticket.

Begs my imagination. :shrug:

[kiahzero]

80. Do the words "college student" mean anything to you?

Not only that, but a decent deal on broadband can be cheaper than dial-up, especially if you had a second phone line you were using for the dial-up connection.

[KoKo]

81. True.....sorry I trashed you about that. My bad...(n/t)

[shanti]

97. don't be so judgmental

it was obviously michael moore's desire to have this movie disseminated widely. he said he didn't mind the downloading. i just got both parts today myself off of kazaa, but i intend to buy a ticket as well. the fact is that it's being seen, don't sweat the how's!

[wicket]

54. Damn straight!

:)

[Kanary]

53. Judging is what DU does best

I'm sorry you got those rude comments, but that's DU.

I'm in a lot the same situation, and have had the same insensitive in uncaring criticisms. :hug:

I wish you well, and I'm glad you did what you needed to do for yourself, and downloaded the movie. I'm sure Michael is glad it's available for you.

Enjoy it, feel good about yourself, and thanks for your efforts in the cause of democracy!

Kanary

[Cha]

55. Doncha just love it when people make snap judgements

when they don't know shit?

When you said you were broke ..I took you at your word..I'm not so rollin' in dough, either, but I have my priorites and my computer and internet connection is one of them.

I hope things go better for you and your husband real soon..hang in there!

And so glad you got to see F9/11..I'm one of those who saw Moore saying he didn't care if it was downloaded..he just wants People to see the freakin' thing!:D

[Scooter24]

104. Melanie..

I wish you and your husband well and will keep your family in my prayers.

:hug:

[RummyTheDummy]

21. Get off her back

Not everyone is participating in the Bush economic miracle. You must not be paying attention, or buy their BS.

[Name removed]

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[arcos]

25. I downloaded F911 at my job...

Sure, I can afford it... but it will take a few months for it to start playing here, and I just wasn't planning to wait. But what if I lived in the US, and didn't have any money? I would download it at work if I were allowed to. You don't need to have Internet access at home in order to do it.

Your attitude is pathetic.

[Kathy in Cambridge]

47. Judgemental, aren't we?

how is the rarefied air up there on that high horse? :eyes:

[WLKjr]

79. LoL

I believe it would have been longer than 18 days on dialup, escpecially AOL dialup, free or not. Bit Torrent is the way to go, look for the Centropy handle copy, that one I have and is pretty decent Divx .avi quality. Plan to go buy multiple copies in October and to see it in a theater again soon.

[stickdog]

5. Just make sure you show it to 10 non-voters or undecideds. (nt)

[DS1]

6. Hey, thanks for advertising illegal practices here

We do appreciate it. :eyes:

You could have said "I just saw F911 and liked it." But no, you had to announce to the entire fucking world that you downloaded an illegal copy". Way to go!

[lottie244]

7. Michael Moore said he has no problem with the downloads...wants it out

It's not worth flaming each other about. The Internet is here and it is going to be used. How many people here have never copied a Video, audio tape, TV program, or music off the radio?

[Moloch]

103. Exactly..

I went to see the movie in the theatre and then I downloaded it and I will buy the DVD when it comes out.

Should I have to pay $7.50 to see it every time?

[merh]

8. See link at post 4 ....

Despite up to 150 people simultaneously bagging free copies of its most valuable property at any given time 24 hours a day, Lions Gate says it has no plans to oppose the practice. While unwilling to make any official statement likely to further provoke Hollywood’s heavy hitters, the film company appears to have fallen into line with its director’s laissez-faire approach.

Moore said: “Is it wrong for someone who’s bought a film on DVD to let a friend watch it for free? Of course it’s not. It never has been and never will be. I think information, art and ideas should be shared.”

Defenders of Moore’s position include Pulp Fiction director Quentin Tarantino, who earlier this year encouraged audiences in countries where his films are not legally available to obtain counterfeit copies.

[Jack_DeLeon]

9. Who cares...

plenty of people have drug threads and whatnot. I have no problem with either.

[frylock]

14. lighten up

[DS1]

30. no

[Th1onein]

17. I didn't know it was illegal. Thanks for being judge and jury, though!

eom

[DS1]

31. anytime

[Th1onein]

41. Geez, You sure you're a Democrat?

eom

[DS1]

82. You're fucking kidding right? Jesus christ.

:eyes:

Show me where it says Mike Moore said it's okay to download F911

[Blaufish]

86. self delete, dup.

[rman]

19. no it's not illegal

ask Mike

[DS1]

29. ok, get him on the phone

:eyes:

[Blaufish]

63. Copyright violation

Did you obtain the rights to use 'Stewie' as your avatar from Seth MacFarlane or Fox? :)

[Wonk]

65. LOL. Welcome to DU :-) nt

[Blaufish]

67. Thanks! :) EOM

[Anwen]

42. Is somebody having a bad day?

Sheesh! Lighten up...

[VolcanoJen]

10. There's still a lot to be said for seeing it in the theater.

I've seen it twice in the theater, and I also have a downloaded version that is actually incomplete. I'm happy I've seen both so that I know what I'm missing in the "free" version.

First of all, you wouldn't expect sound to be such a huge factor in this kind of documentary-narrative kind of film, but in this one, it was extremely powerful. The explosions in Baghdad, for example, are truly frightening when heard in a packed theater, and the point is driven home through the use of sound.

The second time I saw the film, it was in a beautiful, historic theater, and all of the sound was pumped through a single center speaker. The effect just wasn't the same.

Also, I loved the sense of camaraderie and experience felt in the two crowded theaters. The applause, the laughter, the shock, the quiet sobbing... Fahrenheit 9/11 is so much more than a movie, isn't it?

I'm very happy you were able to experience the film, Th1onein. I do hope you'll be able to scrape together a few bucks to see it on the big screen surrounded by like-minded people and killer sound, though... hell, I'll even PayPal you a few bucks if it'll help. :D

[Kanary]

88. Thanks for adding a touch of old-fashioned Dem generosity of spirit!

What a welcome and refreshing change!

:toast:

Kanary

[Berserker]

89. VolcanoJen

What a great post and I would like to add you seem like a wonderful person to have said that to Th1onein.:yourock:

[kerryin2004]

12. bah..What a waste of time..

The only version I see out is cam shots.. That is a waste of time(IMO), thank god i got to see it in the theater twice!

[rman]

20. not a waste of time if you haven't already seen it theater

-

[MrSlayer]

50. Alt.binaries.SVCD in newsgroups. The SVCD version is out.

Excellent copy.

[Guaranteed]

22. Don't worry about it.

It's already made $90M+. That's beyond any of the wildest dreams of the execs.

[Sven77]

23. centrophy

centrophy just released a new cam version, much better than the old one. im sure some divx version will be out soon.

just search on your favorite p2p program

http://www.slyck.com/index.php

also try 9-11 the road to tyranny, and truth and lies of 9-11

[linazelle]

34. Your "review" adds nothing to the discussion about

the movie.

"It was, indeed, a good movie. And it covered a lot of things that have been covered here. I think that it will blow the minds of some Republicans. It is a history-maker, in and of itself."

More than anything, you seem to advocating downloading the movie illegally.

What's your point?

[Th1onein]

35. I thought that this was a place that I could express my Democratic views..

Perhaps I was wrong.

I didn't think that I was writing a "review." I saw the movie and I thought it was great, and it struck me as very unusual that a documentary could change history, as this one is going to do. I have lived for 49 years and never seen that. I have grown tired, as have the rest of you, of seeing the Dems in Congress run like scared puppies at the Republican vitriol thrown at them. I am so proud and so happy that we have a champion in people like Michael Moore and I wanted to tell people that I think that this movie is going to make history, as the first documentary to change the outcome of a national election.

The reason that I admitted to downloading it should be obvious: I can make no comment (as many fellow DUers did) about my fellow audience members' reaction to it, since there were no other audience members. And, of course, I admit that I feel guilty because I did not give Mr. Moore a piece of my money, by going to the theaters to watch it.

If I had wanted other people to download it, I would have posted the website here.

Like I said, though, it's so nice to find that the very people you thought were on "your side," are your judge and your jury.

[Geo55]

38. Not judging....

I came here for the sanity....but found some insanity...life is like a box of chocolates....screw the judgement & piracy issues...just make sure the info gets out.
sorry too hear of your situation.

[greenbriar]

45. some people just get off

pointing out other's mistakes!

don't sweat it!

[Bridget Burke]

46. Your post just seemed a bit meaningless.

Nothing original to say about the movie. Sorry you're unemployed. Sorry your husband hasn't been paid recently.

You list your hobby as "biochemistry". Do you actually have a degree/work experience in that area? Can you truly not find a job in the greater Houston area?

Or can you not find a job that's worthy of you? After all, your husband will get paid again. If you were single, would you be so proud?

[Snoggera]

52. I know how she feels

I haven't seen the movie yet either due to transportation problems. I would have to travel quite a distance, at some expense, to do so. Therefore, I'm waiting for the dvd. If I had a high speed connection, I may have succumbed to the temptation also. It is very frustrating to have the most important movie in years out there, and not be able to see it. The joys of living in NowhereLand.

[Cha]

59. It wasn't "meaningless" to me and a few others...

And I'm glad she posted...And like someone else on this thread said..some people just get off on pointing out what they think are the mistakes of others..

[TeacherCreature]

60. I love it when people criticize others for being out of work

it's so very democratic party of you. </sarcasm> :puke:

[Th1onein]

68. Geez. My hobby is biochemistry because I started studying it a few years

before my son died and never stopped.

I don't live in the "Houston" area. I live in the Galveston area, and there are NO jobs in this area, unless you are talking about pizza delivery jobs, which don't pay much now that gas has gone so high. It is really, really bad here, worse than Houston, which has lost a lot of jobs, too.

I am actually waiting for my old boss to get another account, so that I can go back to work. In the meantime, we are stuck with my husband's "job" (he is a subcontractor), and unfortunately, the guy he subcontracts for has not been able to pay him much ($140 in almost four weeks now) lately.

I'm not "proud," I'm just stuck.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

71. Don't frigging justify yourself or your situation

to people who have sticks up their arses.

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

70. Wow.

Just....WOW.

[Forkboy]

72. Who shit on your Wheaties?

Fuckin' A...what a post :eyes:

[Kanary]

87. Must be comforting to be so secure in your superiority.

:eyes:

[LibertyorDeath]

90. Bridget Burke your post is shit & your ignorance is pathetic

" Sorry you're unemployed. Sorry your husband hasn't been paid recently." NO YOU'RE NOT

"Or can you not find a job that's worthy of you? After all, your husband will get paid again. If you were single, would you be so proud?"

Your attitude is Fucking Pathetic.

What's your Damage?

[Pachamama]

99. Were you trying to be mean and uncaring or just are?

Wow...as I read through the thread I was shocked to see a long time DUer with such a bite....usually such bites are reserved for Freepers who leave posts that are rascist or neo-con, not for a DUer that clearly was struggling in their life...

Wow...wonder what was going on with you when you posted that beauty...

An apology to your target might be a nice gesture if you have any heart....

[Cha]

58. You're Not wrong...just don't pay Any attention to those

who get off on personal attacks and insults. It's not worth a plug nickle.

[IronLionZion]

64. Good for you

I'm glad you say it and I support pirating this important movie as does Michael Moore. I started a thread on how to download the bit torrent but I can't find it now. You're certainly not the only one here who saw it for free.

Please pay no attention to the assholes here who criticise you. There's nothing to be ashamed of.

[Kanary]

73. I really wish it was, and I'm sorry you were attacked like this

But, I've seen it over and over.

There are many things that many of us have just learned to keep quiet about, and not say what we're thinking, or save it for times when we can handle a fight.

How's that for sad........

Then we wonder why our party is in the fragmented state it's in.......

I'm with you......... this is very sad.

Kanary

[DS1]

83. aww

:cry:

[Moonbeam_Starlight]

69. I think her point

was to share the fact that she downloaded it and watched it even though she can't afford a movie ticket to see it in the theater. And she wanted to throw in what she thought of it. You know, like the rest of us got to do when it first came out.

What's your point?

[Th1onein]

74. You got it right there.

And it is a pity that so much time would be wasted defending this simple action. What a shame.

[Deja Q]

36. Moore has no problem with it, and I will get it for my parents...

They live in an area where it won't be shown.

[GiovanniC]

51. If Anyone Else Wants to Download It

I will sponsor you by going to see it again. I have already seen it twice, but I will gather a new group of people who have not seen it this week, and I will go as your surrogate. The condition: make sure at least one other person sees it as well.

In other words, Mike & Lion's Gate still get paid, you get to see the movie, and as an added bonus we'll show it to a few more people to boot.

[traco]

105. Where can you find the url to download it?

My town's theater will not show the movie. I want to see it!

[efhmc]

61. Glad you got to see the movie and I hope and pray that life gets better

for your family very soon.

[DarbyUSMC]

66. Ditto.

[ocean girl]

75. Ditto for me too!

I've been unemployed for 3 years, so I understand what you're going through.

Good for you for keeping your internet connection to the real world - DU - and for sharing your story. DU is my lifeline right now - aside from the money, the worst thing about having no job to go to is the isolation from the rest of the world.

Just remember to take it one day at a time and most importantly - take care of yourself! I know that's become the latest platitude, but I find it difficult to take some recharge time because I don't feel like I deserve it because I don't go to a job everyday.

I find peace and hope in yoga and meditation.

Peace to you.

[Anwen]

77. Ditto for me, too!

Don't worry about some of the nasty, critical things people say around here. It's not worth your time! Good luck in finding a job, I know it's really tough right now...I was unemployed for a long time and finally found work. I can definitely sympathize! :hug:

[fujiyama]

78. That's great that you saw it

Michael Moore's main reason for making this movie was in the hope that it would help remove Bush from office. He said he doesn't care if people d/l it and watch it, as long as they aren't making movey off of it (I have the same views as him on this). Try to get an uncedided/nonvoter to see it as well.

If things do look up in the near future though, you may consider seeing it in the theatre or purchasing it on DVD (it should be on DVD by Sep/Oct I think).

Good luck with your situation. The internet is a great tool, and I think a cable modem connection is as important or moreso than a phone connection. In some countries it's been subsidized by the government to an extent where it's very cheap and widely available (South Korea is the one country that comes to mind).

And don't pay attention to some that are acting all self righteous and judgemental.

[U4ikLefty]

84. Movies are downloaded every day & this one was important to see

It's not like you downloaded "Dodgeball" because you just couldn't wait. For that you WILL be judged!!! ;)

I went twice, I'll just say that I took you "in spirit"...that way, your off the hook. Glad you liked the film!!! Hope you find a better job situation soon.

[lucky777]

91. How do you go about doing this? What is the best site?

BTW, I saw the movie at the theatre. I've never downloaded a movie on the Internet, though I have broadband. How about some help here?

[vision]

94. several peer to peer sites are fast

http://www.cnet.com/

reviews all kinds of software

some of it has spyware though so be careful

[gauguin57]

92. I've seen F-9/11 four times in the theater,

so I've already paid for three of you who are downloading free. Be my guest, if it's OK with Mike.

Friends I've taken with me to see it are now seeing it multiple times, too. So they'll have paid for a few more of you.

Just so everyone sees it, so they'll have the information to spread to the undecideds, and the amunition to use against the ostrich-head-in-the-sand Republicans. That's what Mike cares about.

[foreigncorrespondent]

93. I'm unemployed too buddy...

...but I still managed to save over the last several weeks in order to have my $10.50 go and see it when it opened here in Australia. I saw it on Friday, something I paid for.

I have rent to pay, I have bills to pay, maintenance on my car (by the way, that car, was given to me by my grandmother who went into a retirement home. I couldn't even afford a car)to pay for, food to buy, and guess what buddy? I do this on a mere $200 a fortnight AUSTRALIAN!

My partner (Sapphocrat, an American citizen by birth, still living in the U.S.) is also unemployed. Has been since the dot com crash of 2000. If she isn't able to afford to go to the flicks to see something, then she won't go. She hasn't seen F 9/11 yet. Needless to say, she won't be downloading a pirated (regardless of whether or not Moore approves of this, it is still piracy) copy so she can see it and we can talk about.

Well done buddy, you have contributed to one of the many reasons why there is such a hard clamp down on legitimate file sharing.

If you can't afford to see it, then collect soft drink cans and exchange them for $$$ so you can see it.

By the way, the only way to truly see that documentry is on the big screen. You did yourself an injustice as well.

[meow mix]

95. glad you got to see it, your critics really suck.

some people have zero compassion, and they should go somewhere that treats primates for rabies. damn throwbacks grr.

[fob]

98. You must promise to send $10 to michael moore when you can

afford to do so, and drink 3 bloody mary's.

[NEDem]

100. I paid to see it twice, BEFORE I downloaded it. I'll buy the DVD

when it comes out, so nobody is out anything as far am I concerned. I still have both ticket stubs in my wallet to prove it.

[Tight_rope]

101. I'm like you...saw is the first and second day it was released!

I'm downloading it and will still buy the DVD!

[ContinentalOp]

102. For all those who are worried about Michael not getting his money,

why not download the movie and then send him a dollar? That's probably more than he would actually see from your $10 ticket price anyway. The only people who are really losing out on your money then are the studio (who obviously didn't produce this film for the money) and the theater owners (screw 'em). Or better yet save up $5 and send it to the Kerry/Edwards campaign.