if you could go back and change history, would you rather have Dean?

[taxidriver]

remember the glory days of the dean candidacy race where we all thought he was going to revolutionize the party, and that kerry was just another tool of corporate interests? I know that we all need to get behind kerry now, but do any of you ever wish the dean-train hadn't stopped rolling?

[MadHound]

1. No, I'd rather have Kucinich

Or a viable Green candidacy.

[happynewyear]

2. hey me too!

I'm a Kucinich supporter (still). I'm not thrilled about Kerry. I never was a big fan of Dean's either.

Oh well ....

[taxidriver]

5. i thought about mentioning kucinich too...

except i can remember a time when me and eeeeverybody else really thought dean was gonna take the WH by storm. i admire kucinich, but (be honest) he never had a grass roots, nation sweeping campaign like dean did.

[redqueen]

14. "he never had a grass roots, nation sweeping campaign"

I'm glad I have to leave now.

Anyone still have that media chart?

:grr:

[DemBones DemBones]

18. That "grass roots, nation sweeping campaign" of Dean's

sure didn't yield much at the ballot box, did it?

His crowds during the primary may not have been as large as Dean's but Dennis Kucinich campaigned in every state, right up through the last primary, bringing progressive Democrats together. Kucinich's organization continues working to make the party more progressive. Dean made a big splash but Kucinich will have more long-term effect, I believe, despite the media's fascination with Dean and lack of interest in Kucinich.

[redqueen]

12. I'd rather have Kucinich as well.

He's the only one with a clue re: the WTO, among other things.

[GreenPartyVoter]

27. Ditto, Dean comes in after that.

[LWolf]

88. Definitely DK.

That's why I voted for him. ;-)

[porkrind]

102. Me too!

:) Think about how great it could have been. :sigh:
:dem:

[wryter2000]

3. I'm a Deaniac

But I'm not sure he could have beat Bush. Kerry can. I think Dean woke Kerry and others up, so I guess I prefer the Dean-improved Kerry.

[bahrbearian]

4. Kuchinich ... Clark ... or Dean

[Dookus]

6. Nope...

the best candidate won. He wasn't my first choice, but I'm confident he will beat Bush, and he's a good man.

[DemBones DemBones]

7. No. I never trusted Dean.

If he campaigns hard for Kerry/ Edwards and works for the good of the party, I may come to have some respect for him.

I'll vote for Kerry because he's the Democrat and a far better man than Bush but I'd have preferred Kucinich. We need big changes in American politics.

[mike_c]

8. well, the short answer is "yes..."

...but the long answer is much more complicated than that, although it's still "yes." Dean was never liberal enough for me, but there's little doubt that I could have (would have) voted for him. His courage on the war issue alone distinguishes him from Kerry and Edwards. Kerry is still a corporate tool, and his much ballyhooed liberalism has turned into a dismal mix of center-right rhetoric and silence-- or worse!-- about nearly every issue important to me. I won't vote for Kerry.

So yes, I would much rather have Dean, although I'd be a great deal more excited about Kucinich.

[DemBones DemBones]

26. You won't vote for Kerry? Just how are

you going to be able to look at yourself in the mirror if you don't vote to get Bush* out? Voting for Kerry is the only option now. He's now left enough for me, either, but compared to Bush*. . .

[mike_c]

50. I'm still reviewing my options...

...but voting for Kerry isn't one of them. After 2000 I swore I would not compromise my principles any longer. Most likely outcome: I'll probably vote for David Cobb.

You know, the nice thing about doing what you think is right is that it DOES make mirrors less threatening.

[Literate Tar Heel]

53. I don't think they have many mirrors in Iraq

which is probably where you're headed if you elect Bush to 4 more years

[Capn Sunshine]

115. My impression is that won't change with Kerry

Unless overnight he changed his position and now wants to withdraw from Iraq? Does the term "40,000 new troops" ring a bell?

[Demobrat]

9. We don't all need to get behind Kedwards.

I'm one of the people Edwards doesn't need. I know, because he said so at the debate. And it's a good thing too, since I don't think I could vote and puke at the same time. Now I won't have to try.

[Literate Tar Heel]

16. well, hooray, mike_c and Demobrat

want four more years of Bush rather than getting a Democrat in office and then working to move the party left ... good choice, really ... there are about 540 of you in Florida who voted for Nader for the same reason in 2000 who can share the blame for the mess our country is in right now ... congratulations

[Larkspur]

45. I see the bullying is continuing

My philosophy is if a voter lives in a swing state, vote Kerry, if voter lives in a red or blue state, vote your conscience.

[Demobrat]

60. My philosophy is

vote for the person you want to win. In my case, I'll be writing in None Of The Above.

[Demobrat]

57. Somebody's going to have to bring back the draft.

I'd rather it was W, thanks.

[Name removed]

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[Demobrat]

73. I will.

I'm sure it will hurt a lot less if it's Kerry who drafts me instead of Bush.

[Name removed]

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[Literate Tar Heel]

90. I guess not ... I may as well be Corinne Brown

evidently my voice is not welcome here

[Forkboy]

118. Good grief

quit whining

[Name removed]

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[taxidriver]

23. why doesnt he need your vote?

[Demobrat]

56. I don't know. Ask him.

He's the one who said it.

[taxidriver]

59. i should specify...when did he say it? do you live in the south? i've

heard that kerry's advisors were telling him he didnt need the south (pre-edwards)

[Demobrat]

62. He said it at one of the debates.

His exact words (he was addressing Dean) were "People like US don't need people like YOU". As a person like Dean, I put myself into the people Edwards doesn't need category at that moment and now, what do you know, there I remain.

[taxidriver]

66. damn. "people like us" . well, the candidate wars are behind us...

im sure he'll start uniting now.

[emulatorloo]

74. he was suggesting that dean was being condescending to southerners

if I remember the context. . .overdramatic, but not quite the DIRE moment that's being portrayed.

[calico1]

10. No. I always thought Kerry had the

best chance to beat Bush and was the strongest candidate. He is also the one the Republicans least wanted to face so that should tell you something.

[bbmykel]

24. Based on what?

Please enlighten us with convincing evidence that "the Republicans" feared Kerry most.

This canard needs to be put to rest. Kerry has his strengths and weaknesses against Bush like all of the candidates did. His war record and foreign policy exp can be countered with his "Massachussets liberal" voting record, his support for the war, and his speaking style which seems to prohibit him from being clear on any issue. I'm sure they had/have extensive dossiers on all of them.

The election will be a referendum on Bush and any of the leading candidates could have mounted a credible campaign against him.

[calico1]

35. You should ask the Republicans

This is what they were saying at the time, according to some news articles I had read at the time.

[pacalo]

69. Whether I have proof of calico1's statement or not, I've yet to see

any scathing information from the Republicans' repulsive attack machine about Kerry. They tried to create a Kerry affair that was quickly debunked, but everything else has been lightweight: "He flip flops" is lame; when the debates begin, Dubya will regret the accusation against Kerry.

I believe the Republicans were most afraid of Wes Clark, but I believe Kerry wasn't at the top of their wish list, either. The proof is in their lack of substantial attack material.

[AntiCoup2K4]

39. Yeah, that's why they all showed up at the Democratic primaries & caucuses

...to vote for Kerry.

[Guaranteed]

105. Those medals do give him an awful lot of protection.

I just wish he'd make stronger use of them.

You have the right to say an awful lot when you've proved your worth like he has.

[TeacherCreature]

125. no he is the one they most wanted to face

and they did everything they could to get him the nomination.

[Hawkeye-X]

11. Hell yes.

Even the Kucitizens, Kerryites, Clarkites, Edwardsites will have to admit that Dean has the appeal to fundraise, and have one of the largest national grassroots support in US history and easily defeat the fucknut * out of the office.

Hawkeye-X

[sangh0]

15. Hell no, I don't have to admit anything

particularly since Kerry has smashed Dean's fundraising records.

[Larkspur]

21. Dean would have had those records also

as would any of the Democrats who could have won most of the primaries.

Kerry only got those after he was assured the Dem nomination. Dean set the records when there were 9 other competitors in the race and if Dean had not opted out of FEC funds, Kerry would be sucking goose eggs in the fundraising department right now because he would have been limited to spending $45 million and Bush would be trampling him in the polls, even with Iraq going down in flames.

[sangh0]

25. The fact remains - Dean DID NOT have those records

Kerry does

Kerry got more money, and Kerry got more votes.

[Larkspur]

43. I see myopia runs in the Kerry line

but I'm not surprised.

Dean broke Clinton's fundraising records first as an insurgent. Clinton did it as a sitting vice-president. Dean did it as an insurgent. That was impressive. And Dean did it twice as an insurgent in a crowded field. That's very impressive.

Kerry's fundraising success was expected because the competition thinned out after his wins in IA and NH, so it's not as impressive when Dean did it in a crowded field.

[sangh0]

46. Dean didn't do it. Kerry did

Kerry holds the record.

[Lefta Dissenter]

20. Excuse me?

if grassroots support doesn't translate into votes, then it doesn't do us much good, now does it?

Kerry was farther up my list than Dean was, so I'm not trading him in.

And don't get me wrong, I am grateful for Dean's recent focus on third-party voters. I hope he keeps that up, because I think he can do some good.

[DemBones DemBones]

22. Forgotten that Dean couldn't get VOTES?

Damn hard to beat the GOP if you can't win the Dem votes in the primaries.

[dorktv]

37. Primaries are different then generals. For one thing, Independants

have a much bigger impact.

[Anwen]

71. Yep. Plus, if the primaries had started on the West Coast,

Dean very well could have taken it.

[Jacobin]

13. HELL yes

I think this guy is exactly what the country needs.

I LOVE to hear him speak. He WILL NOT cow tow to the latest jabs from Repukes. He comes out swinging and tells it like it is.

[Larkspur]

17. Yes, I would be working my butt off for him now

Because I thought that with Dean in the WH, those of us who wanted a more vibrant Democratic Party, would have an easier time changing the party from within, but change really doesn't come from the top. Even if Dean had won the primaries and the WH, there would have been lots of pressure on him to conform to corporate interests. True change comes from the roots upward. What Dean did though is give hope and energy to the Democratic base that we will need to trully reform the Democratic Party and out country.

I'm not working for Kerry, so I've channeled some of my Dean energy into the Congressional race in my district. The rest of my energy is directed at fixing and planting my garden.

[pacalo]

19. I was for Clark all the way, but I'm happy with Kerry.

He's nobody's fool & he's a bulldog in debates. I'm hopeful that he'll do everything he can to make Americans glad the Dubya reign of terror is gone.

However, Dean deserves a lot of credit for energizing the Democratic party.

[bkcc]

28. If I could go back and change history....

I think I'd go back further and do something more significant to change the course of history.

[taxidriver]

33. well, duh, BKcc. but this for the purposes of this thread, you can only

change this particular event.

[Bimini_Twisted]

29. I still scream for Dean!!

[WilliamPitt]

30. No

All props to Dr. Dean, but I am happy with the current candidate and his campaign.

[Hawkeye-X]

127. That's only because...

You're a Kerryite through and through.

[newsguyatl]

31. yes i'd much rather have dean

BUT i fully support kerry and edwards.

[Rebellious Republican]

32. Who gives a rats ass, this is just Flame Bait!

Whats the point of posting this crap? Does it serve any useful purpose, other than starting a flame war, is that your intention. Sure give the GOP what they want, ya know divide and conquer. Then in January we can all ask "if you could go back in time, would you rather have Kerry". Here are your choices, Vote Kerry, Vote for Bush, Vote for Nadar, Don't Vote!

[taxidriver]

34. me and lots of other people will vote for kerry. that doesnt mean we

wouldnt have preferred a different candidate. and it is within our rights to talk about what could have been. if you dont like this 'crap', than put the thread on ignore.

[Rebellious Republican]

41. So that does not answer what useful purpose it serves?

You have obviously missed the point of my post! This is not the time to be trash talking. Its time to unite this party and take back the White House, Senate and Congress. You know exactly what you are doing, and no I will not ignore disruptor's like you. Why can't you wait until after the election to spew forth what ever is on your mind. Hell, then let the games begin, start flame wars till the cows come home. All I am asking is that we give up a few months of infighting so that we can defeat these idiots. Do you want to be a part of the solution or a part of the problem? And by the way, you do not need to give me a civics lesson on "our rights". I have fought for "our rights" and know them well, freepers have tried this tactic with me and it does not fly with this vet!

[taxidriver]

48. of course i'll try to be part of the solution, but a broader part of that

is moving the party to the left. people like dean or kucinich would have done that better than kerry, that's all.

[Rebellious Republican]

61. I am all for moving the party to the left, I like both DK and Howard

They have done some wonderful things for this party at a time when we so desperately needed Dem's like them. They have brought new energy and acted as a guiding light for this party. DK and Howard have steered the party back in the right direction.I hope they continue to be prominent figures in party politics. I believe that we are witnessing birth of our generations Kennedy's and Wellstones in these two. It can only get better as long as they are around to act as guiding lights for the lost Dems seeking their way in dark and stormy times.

:toast:

[taxidriver]

64. very good then. cheers all around.

and if i may ask, what years (or thereabouts) did you serve in the military? any under clinton or Bush?


oooh or reagan.

[Rebellious Republican]

68. Reagan and Bush, I am ancient history! N/T

[taxidriver]

51. ..and i didnt mean to didnt mean to give you a civics lesson, sorry

i was trying to find a word to describe "part of what we are allowed to do on this message board".

[Beloved Citizen]

36. I am very happy with Kerry

In case nobody has noticed, Kerry is well on the way to unseating the first truly neo-fascist regime in U.S. history. He is doing a masterful job. I honestly doubt Dean would be having had anywhere near the kind of success Kerry is having.

Nothing against Dean, I think he's a great man who performed and extraordinary and heroic service for this country. But I do not think he has what it would have taken to defeat the kind of diabolical evil that stands behind the grandson of Prescott Bush.

History has once again given us a great man, and his name is John F. Kerry.

[AntiCoup2K4]

38. Hell yes!

I still believe Dean was the best candidate in 35 years. I preferred Edwards to Kerry anyway, so the ticket turned out better than it might have. But most definitely FAR from the best that was possible :(

Dean's been proven right on everything he said. And the candidates who condemned his message now get to cash in on it. Even though they probably have very little intention of taking it seriously once elected.

Can you picture Kerry saying "I want my country back" with a straight face, and meaning it?

[Melinda]

40. Yes

eom

[goddess40]

44. Another Deaniac

Dean became my first choice the minute I heard him speak at the WI Democratic convention. I worked very hard for him and still feel he was the best candidate. He is the only one who would bring in the Nadar voters. I am now working just as hard for Kerry but I miss the excitement and courage of Dean.

[charlyvi]

42. No. I think Kerry has the best

foreign policy creds of anyone in the race--or in the White House. I thinks it's what we need the most after being bushwhacked for four years.

[EndElectoral]

47. Kerry has probably the best balance to run...

I don't agree with all his positions, but he really is quite qualified. Dean was not. Had no real foreign policy experience.

[Joy Anne]

49. Are you kidding?

Yes, of course.

[Mr. McD]

52. Cheney'n A I would.

He's a better choice then Kerry.

[taxidriver]

55. i like this new use of cheney's name.

[West Coast Democrat]

54. No. I had always leaned toward Clark and Kerry

Dean seemed like a fine person, but maybe he'd be better at something else in the Party rather than being president.

[Straight Shooter]

58. I would rather have Dean as the nominee

The only candidate who EVER inspired me to get involved in politics. Kerry doesn't inspire me, I'm not convinced he'll get us out of Iraq, and he doesn't have the common touch and his sentences have generally been too convoluted, but since he's what we've got to work with, well, c'est la vie.

I'm in Oregon, so it looks like abstaining is not an option.

[Individualist]

63. Yes!

n/t

[LizW]

65. Absolutely

However, since I can't, I support Kerry/Edwards.

Dean's destiny is to promote and preserve this democracy from somewhere other than the White House.

[Anwen]

70. YES!

I miss hearing him speak. I wish he was the nominee, but I'm glad he's still out there doing his best for our party.

[Old and In the Way]

75. Couldn't be happier with Kerry as our nominee.

The right guy to be President of all American's will be kicking the pretender out in November.

[deacon]

76. I'm a big fan of dean, but kerry has the better credentials at this time

cleaning up this enormous mess calls for more experience, imo. Someone with better foreign policy experience.

[FredScuttle]

77. Of course

He was my candidate and I supported him wholeheartedly. But, reality is reality and my support is solidly behind Kerry-Edwards.

But we can be wistful, can't we?

BTW, I loved all those threads back when Dean was riding high about how his lack of military service would be pounced on and exploited by *'s campaign. Kerry, for one, was touted as the safer pick, you know, being a war hero and all and that * would NEVER DREAM of going after a war hero.

Well, we know how that turned out, didn't we?

[mandyky]

78. The Dean train hasn't stopped

It just changed tracks.

I will vote for Kerry, and thank god he chose Edwards, because Kerry bores me to death. His NAACP speech was one of his better and there were several Dean lines - like this race is in your hands, etc.

I am hoping Dean runs in 2008, regardless of what happens in Nov.

[Cha]

80. I like the way you put that, mandy!

"Memories of a Dean Administration"
"He fell from the highest of political heights. But now Howard Dean is up—and moving—again."

More at ..New York Magazine online..
http://newyorkmetro.com/nymetro/news/politics/national/features/9452/

[mandyky]

83. Glad you like it!

Thanks :)

[TeacherCreature]

81. yes

[DFLforever]

82. Yes!!

[Piperay]

84. No, I'm a Clarkie but

I am happy with Kerry. :D

[qwlauren35]

85. In my fantasy....

I wish we had the best of both.

- A grass-roots energizer who didn't alienate the machine.
- A progressive pragmatist.
- An unapologetic moderate with skills in bipartisan politics.

Some might say I just want Clinton back...

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

86. Dean would be roasting Bush's nuts on an open fire

Kerry is starting to worry me, although I'm pulling for him and contributing to his campaign. Kerry cannot be satisifed with who he is (a decorated war hero). He needs to define himself by what he does. He'd better starting attacking Bush like a pitbull. Dean would.

I was a Wesley Clark guy and still think he would have made the best candidate. But I always did like Dean and he was my second choice. Anyway, I think we should give Kerry every chance to show us what he can do and hopefully the convention will give him some momentum.

[DaveSZ]

87. The best candidate to beat Bush was nominated

along with the second best as his vp.

I didn't understand what Dean was about until later, but now I respect him highly.

Kucinich was the only true leftist running though.

[Guaranteed]

110. I just don't know about that.

As you can see, Kerry's hands are tied. That's the problem with compromising your integrity. It seriously weakens you.

He's well protected by his medals, but he sure can't say much (which, of course, was predicted here on DU a year ago).

[taxidriver]

119. dean could never have been called a flip flopper or lurch.

he was the real deal.

[Bo]

89. I have to support Kerry, but I

Dont like him. I wish Dean was more moderate

[JI7]

91. FUCK NO

i never supported dean and still wouldn't. not sure where you get the "we all" from since i sure didn't support him and from the elections many others didn't either. and i know kerry isn't any tool of corporate interests.

[GiovanniC]

92. I'm a Clarkie

And would have walked through fire to get him elected. I am putting in some effort here in Michigan to get Kerry elected, but I think I would be even more motivated for Clark.

As for Dean, I didn't really care for him that much until I saw how much he scared the everlasting piss out of the media PR/Propoganda Machine. The way the media used basically the same tactics (in different ways, of course) against Dean & Clark, so when they started attacking the "Dean Scream" it pissed me off just as much as they way that they alternately ignored Clark and painted him as some "creepy" bloodthirsty mental patient Army guy.

But I still think that Kerry's a good candidate. I think things could have been different and even better if things had turned out different in the primaries, but the fact remains that things didn't turn out different, they turned out like this.

We didn't get dealt pocket aces, but we've got king-queen suited and I have a feeling that when this hand is over, we'll have the best of it.

[kiahzero]

93. Nope

Kerry was probably my number 2 in the primary. I'm almost as happy as I could be with his candidacy.

[nomaco-10]

94. YES! Dean is the best thing to .....

happen to the dem party in years. Finally, a decent, honorable and highly intelligent man who speaks with clarity and conviction, not in soundbites and rhetoric.

If you think what the media, the repubs and even some of those in our own party did to Dean during the primaries was rough, just wait til they get thru with Kerry and Edwards. It will make the take down of Dean look like amateur night at a christian karaoke club. Sadly, Kerry gave them plenty of ammo and the "son of a mill worker" soundbite has become tediously redundant already. I hope they're not relying on the hair factor and Edwards sex appeal to put them over the top, but then again it might just be the two traits the american public would consider the most important qualifications to be the leader of the free world.

Yes, I miss Dean, the excitement, the riveting speeches, his insight and vision on everything from Iraq, to the economy, jobs, education and health care. I knew exactly where he stood on every issue and I knew he wasn't going to shift his positions because the wind changed direction or somebody took some unscientific poll. It's back to politics as usual, but it sure was great while it lasted.

[YankeeFan]

95. I Rather Have Dean

Now follow me very carefully.

When Clinton was elected back in 1992, I was ecstatic. A Dem in the White House! High Fives all around!

But after a while, he kept on Doing things that annoyed or angered me. Little by little I became very glad I didn't vote for him during the Presidential Primary in my State.

His "Assault Weapons Ban" in 1994 was about the dumbest thing he ever did during his first term. It gave the Republicans the House and the Senate. And so many people are still so resentful and angered by it that one of Kerry's commercials shows him with a shotgun. Kerry is a hunter they say. Many people around here remember him voting for the Bans extension back in March. NOT a good idea.
But to go back...

Come 1996 I was so angry at Clinton that had I had a choice of somebody, ANYbody else, I would have voted for him or her.
Bob Dole came on like a robot.
There was no life in him anywhere. Watching somebody mow the lawn was more interesting and exciting. If somebody had to have told me that We paid the Republicans to have a deadly dull candidate, I would have instantly believed that person.
Bob Dole didn't come to life until after the Election! Where was he for the last several months?!? That kind of energetic guy I would have voted for. Clinton played his Saxophone. What did Dole do? He put me to sleep. So using the notes of what the assorted candidates I keep, I voted *accordingly. Clinton For Pres, others as I saw fit. (Mostly Dem's. Rinos where appropriate.)

Clinton got re-elected very easily.

So here is Dean with him shouting "YEAH!".
Kerry is putting me to sleep. He is putting the word Mono in the word monograph.
And Edwards, in my opinion, is the weakest VP choice he could have made.

We've got problems.

*NOBODY should vote purely on what political party a candidate is on. In local elections I almost always see somebody listed as both Republican and Democratic Parties. A few times I've seen three parties listed for One Candidate.

[AlFrankenFan]

96. No

I'd rather have Edwards. But if we're talkin' Dean here, I'd rather have Joe Trippi.

[WoodrowFan]

97. NO!

I like Kerry.

[Pastiche423]

98. YES! YES! YES!

The exciting energy that Dean generated has been sucked right out of the national campaign.

He gave me hope. Now I have none.

[MisterP]

99. yes!

[Generator]

100. My take

I think Dean is too good of a man to be President. I watched his interviews with his real and lovely wife, and I just don't think they deserve what national politics have become in this country.

I think he's too honest and too real for this country at this time in history. Which is too sad, but that's what I think.

I wanted him as the nominee but I don't think he could have beaten *.

I have a near certainty that Kerry can. Kerry is the better politician. You have to split hairs, you have to BS, and Howard has no BS in him. He's the real deal. Sigh.

I'm realistic and look at the level of fear and denial in this country. Kerry is the best we can do at this time. I like Edwards a lot, he may yet be a real gem.

Let's get Shrub out of there and then see what we can do to make this a real Democracy again.

[hansolsen]

101. I'd rather have Dean in the debates

I rather dread the Kerry / Bush debates -- what can Kerry say?

Gee George, you were right about the war, and my vote for the war was not a mistake, but I would have executed the war better than you did.

That is a losing argument. And remember, Bush wiped the mat with Gore in the debates.

I would love to have Howard Dean step to the podium and say George, take your war and go to hell!

[kohodog]

103. Better to vote for a tool of corporate interests

Than to vote for Corporate Interests personified (B/C)

Yes I would rather vote for Dean, but will hope that Kerry really is the most liberal senator and is playing the game.

[stickdog]

104. Of course. Dean is strongest where Bush is weakest.

1) Iraq War

2) Fiscal responsibility

3) Health care

4) Jobs

Kerry can't attack Bush head on when it comes #1 and #2 -- Bush's biggest weaknesses.

And as a member of Congress and a 100% gung ho free trader, he's also compromised on #3 and #4.

[rucky]

106. Hellz Yeah!

Kucinich or Dean

[Guaranteed]

107. I just wish Kerry wouldn't have voted the way he did on the IWR.

If he'd showed leadership at that time, we'd have this in the bag right now, no problem.

It's a lesson in integrity.

[taxidriver]

120. nicely said. howard has no skeletons in his closet.

[TeacherCreature]

124. yes, so true

now we are in the position of trying to rationalize a really rotten war that we should pull out of. Even the american people are ahead of Kerry on this.

[WI_DEM]

108. I still feel Dean would have been the best candidate to field

so yes, but unfortuantely we can't turn back the clock.

[Solly Mack]

109. If I could go back and change history Bush wouldn't be in office

[Glacier]

111. No.

[Darranar]

112. A few months ago I would have said "No, certainly not"...

Now I would say "yes".

Kerry seems to disgust me every other day.

[JNelson6563]

113. Yes.

I'd much prefer Dean. Kerry/Edwards have my support and will get as much effort from me as the other campaigns I am working on through our office, but, I'd be much more enthusiastic about my work on that race if it were for Dean.

Now I hope he heads up the DNC and helps straighten out this mess we call the Democratic Party.

Julie

[bhunt70]

114. NO.

[mtnester]

116. If I could go back in time and change something..

this is not one of the items on my priority list...nowhere close.

[woofless]

117. Nope, Kerry all the way.

[Deja Q]

121. I'd go back and help Carter get re-elected...

At least he had sensible, pre-emptive plans to rid us of our need for foreign oil.

Carter was brilliant.

Reagan was a dipshit oil company butt-kisser and an incompetent who said alternative energy programs were "obsolete". May he rot in hell right now.

[Catt03]

122. Neither Dean nor Kucinich could have beat Bush

Dean could not have pulled in the middle and the moderate and Kucinich is too scary except to the far left.

Kucinich is a great guy, principled and sincere. In a sensible and ideal world, he would be the perfect candidate. In today's environment, no.

I think you all forget that not every voting Democrat and liberal Democrat is against ALL war, ALL defense, is for ALL social programs and is anti capitalism.

[TeacherCreature]

123. since people are getting so hostile

I thought I would say it again.

HELL YES

That's how I feel and no one can force me to feel differently. This is still America.

[Hawkeye-X]

126. KICK

Just because I want to.

:evilgrin:

[NightOwwl]

128. No.

IMO he would not have won the election and we must get * out of the White House.