Clark V Dean

[True_Blue]

If someone was holding to gun to your head (not serious of course) and said you can only pick out of the two candidates on the subject line, who would it be?

[TSIAS]

1. Dean

Although I like both men.

[VermontDem2004]

2. I am kicking this since this is the original

[plurality]

3. write in Pigasus

and hope I end up in Nirvana instead of back here.

[GOPBasher]

4. Clark

I love them both, but I think Clark gives us the best chance of winning.

[VoteClark]

126. kick

[Lefty48197]

5. I like Clark

and you don't need to brandish a weapon.

[TakebackAmerica]

6. Clark

Clark has a 1 vote lead.:wow:

[newsguyatl]

7. this is getting ridiculous

did you not get your answer in the other poll? :shrug:

oh wait, i see, it's a 'gang up on dean' poll this time around? but wasn't the last one, too?

oh, oh, i see, but THIS poll, there can be NO other candidates, so ALL the dean haters can vote against him...

ah, it's the freeper way...


way to go kids!

[sfecap]

10. Gee..ya think it's a set up?

Nawwwwww....

[Kahuna]

18. Hoo wah! Hoo wah! Hoo wah...

We need a Don't be a Deanie-babie avatar. }(

[mantis]

62. What the hell are you

Talking about?

Putting Dean against a candidate is being "mean"?

What the hell do you think is going to happen
this election?

[DaveBpt]

87. If Dean can't stand the heat then he should get out of the kitchen

I find it amazing how upset Dean supporters get when he is criticized. That is supposed to be what our electoral process is about. The more I see and hear of Dean the more I dislike him as a possible presidential candidate.
I find it incredible that after trying to position himself as the only candidate of integrity to oppose Bush (which I found rather rather egotistical to say the least) Dean is not hinting that he will forgoe campaign finance limits just like the Shrub did after he had pledged several months ago not to. This country doesn't need another leader whose ethics change to suit the situation.

Clark is going to be the Democratic candidate so I hope Howie can deal with it without throwing one his temper tantrums!

[SiobhanClancy]

8. Clark...

but I wish he would hurry up and declare,if he's going to.

[trogdor]

9. Clark is too late out of the gate.

I'd support him enthusiastically if he were nominated, though.

[Qutzupalotl]

11. Had to go with Clark.

This was a tough call, though. Here's my rationale:

Clark is absolutely certain to trounce Bush. He's as strong a candidate as we could hope for, from what I've seen so far.

Dean, I'm only 50-75% sure could win. We are up against Rove, after all, and Rove can make hay with the slightest misstatement. Clark simply has more experience in front of a camera, speaking to the center. I imagine he would make a good diplomat, which would be a welcome change.

But I'm hoping for a Dean/Clark or a Clark/Dean ticket. Either would be a winner.

Plus we get to keep all our senators and representatives!

[unfrigginreal]

12. It would be interesting to know how many Clark supporters...

voted Dean. I found myself in that position, because of one Ignorant Asshole that's been supporting Clark. Yes, I know it's not fair to Clark, but as long as that Ignorant Asshole is accepted here in DU, then I'll probably continue to support my second choice. I HATE FREEPERS and that's exactly what this Ignorant Asshole comes across as.

[TakebackAmerica]

14. WHO?

[Proletariat]

23. Who are you talking about?

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

139. (Hint) In Vietnam, our boys called him "Charlie."

[mantis]

64. Hey....

Who would that be?

Just curious.

[Booberdawg]

13. This is a set up

:eyes:

[mantis]

67. How?

eom

[VermontDem2004]

15. 45-45 GO DEAN!!!!!

[Kahuna]

16. Clark, natch!

[VoteClark]

17. Thanks for the Poll

[VoteClark]

19. bump

[TakebackAmerica]

20. Kick

:kick:

[quinnox]

21. Clark is winning

Wow, Dean is losing a poll!

[VermontDem2004]

22. It is tied my friend

[Kahuna]

24. General Clark coming up on Scarborough Country tonight...

:puke:

[VoteClark]

25. This is so sad! Clark isn't even in the race YET! and this is Dean's Turf!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!

Dean is Toast when Clark enters the race.

:kick:
J4Clark

[SweetZombieJesus]

27. So how's clown college working out for you?

I gotta say, those classes must be paying off, because I'm laughing at you.

[bicentennial_baby]

29. ROFL!

I like it very much! Bootblacking!

Snarf...good one!

[VoteClark]

34. They are going well thanks.

They help to pick candidates. So far my guy is doing well. He isn't even running yet.

[Julien Sorel]

53. Clown School did well for me, too!

Got me a cool job at McDonald's!

;-)

[mantis]

69. Couldn't have said

It any better.

We dumb people usually decide elections.

[Kahuna]

38. Sniff...Sniff... Anybody else..

smell sour grapes around here? :evilgrin:

[mantis]

71. HAHA

NAAAAH....ya think?

Hope Clark gets in. If not I'm stuck between
Kerry or Dean. Can't seem to make up my mind.

[Name removed]

76. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[mantis]

80. I'm still

Not getting how a poll is "taunting"?

If it were 80-20 in Deans favor would you
be posting the same thing?

After weeks and weeks of "all Dean all the Time"
you "warriors" get your friggin panties in a bunch
over a stupid poll?

Shit, if Dean does win we all better toughen up
a bit....eh?

[Kahuna]

106. Correction...

Diapers in a wad.. }(

[Kahuna]

94. I like him. He's my..

'Lil Buddy. Kind of like the Skipper and Gilligan. :7

[clar]

57. get a clue

this is not the real world, little v.c.; this is teensy eensy insular du. Out in the real world, when and if Clark declares, there'll be an actual contest of ideas, campaigning, fund raising, etc. Then we'll see. None of us can know who's more electable, Clark or Dean. I've read your prognostications, founded on little beyond your endless supply of hot air- or at least I've tried to- your writing skills are nearly as limited as your analysis of the political landscape.
I look forward to learning more about Clark, but with boorish supporters like you, he scarcely needs detractors.

[VoteClark]

119. Hey Clar, do you knock guys out of wheelchairs too.

I admit, having dylexia does limit my ability to review and correct my posts, as well as explain my position well in writting.

However, I did rank in the top 1% of political attitude in the nation in HS, and first in my HS, and have a Political Science degree.

So I think in that area I know little bit about what I am talking.
Granted, I will concede to you I have bad writting skills because Dyslexia prevents me from reading and writting as clearly as I should.

So if you want to attack me there go ahead. But if you want to be making bets on my political predictions, I am totally game. I love making money that way. Like the Clarence Thomas Confirmation prediction of 52-48. People in my HS thought that was funny when I said that. But the next week, they felt pretty stupid.

My prediction:
Clark will the nomination
Clark will beat Bush in 2004 by a wide electoral margin

Davis will be out of office by January.

The Democrats will lose one Seat in the US Senate.

Want to bet on it? I will be happy to take you money.

:kick:
J4Clark

[VermontDem2004]

26. Dean up by 1 vote

this is close. Go Dean!!!

[quinnox]

28. Clark seems to be drawing a lot of support from Dean

supporters. It appears a lot of Dean supporters are switching to Clark! How else to explain this kind of result, now two times in a row.

[TSIAS]

30. I don't think Dean supporters are switching

Most likely, the trend would be that those supporting the other 8 prefer Clark over Dean. And I'm not convinced that is the case yet.

[mantis]

75. I can't believe

You Dean folks still don't get it?

Clark is so much like Dean it is unreal.

Clark supporters are Dean supporters
who worry his lack of military stuff
will hurt him.

[newsguyatl]

32. not quite!

but nice try at influence tho :-)

why don't you go jerk off already and get it over?

[Kahuna]

33. Let's keep track of how many new members sign on tonight..

Presently there are 30,666 :scared: DUers...

Let's just see if this baby gets "freeped." :grr:

[VoteClark]

39. It will

[VermontDem2004]

41. Someone with 3 posts came out and said Clark is the man

It isn't being freeped by Dean supporters.

[Kahuna]

56. So? Does DU have a new rule that says newbies can't

vote in polls?

Makes me wonder about the DU poll months back where Dean got well over 400 votes. Where did those votes come from? If they were legit, why isn't Dean getting that number of votes now? And what happened to all the votes Kucinich got in that poll. Freeping, maybe?
:shrug:

[TSIAS]

59. According to Admin

Any registered user can vote in polls.

[unfrigginreal]

37. Oh My?!?! It must be the Dean folks deserting in droves...

no way it could be Kerry, et al changing their opinions. Much to your dismay, Dean will be there in the end, raising the conciousness of the American people all the while.

[Kahuna]

40. Remember that first official DU poll when Dean got like..

400 votes and creamed everybody else? Sorry Deanies. But some of those people ARE voting for Clark now.

[quinnox]

44. I agree

It might not be something Dean supporters want to admit, but that appears to be the case.

[VermontDem2004]

45. 68-62 Dean

I actually don't care if Clark gets the most votes, He is great candidate my #2 choice if enters the primaries, but whatever the results are I am still supporting Dean

[unfrigginreal]

49. "Deanies" will be more than happy to make you eat your words!

Unbelievable, a respected poster on DU comes out and trashes Dean supporters because they think "their" candidate has a chance. Although I have been toying with supporting your candidate, this is the exact reason that I won't. There is nothing more Republican than trying to pigeonhole our candidates. For those of you that want to do it...FUCK YOU...it is absolutely freeperesque to try and paint any of our candidates in a GOP light.

I'll continue to support Dean, and will now probably support him even stronger, thanks to the freeper mentality that has been allowed by the moderators.

[Kahuna]

77. Give it a rest. Nobody believes that you won;t support Clark because of

me. To do that would make you weak, silly and shallow. I know that can't be true.

[rman]

131. "appears"? how?

you failed to mention the reason why you think that.

[DemLikr]

31. I vote for both! Dean for Prez, Clark for VP n/t

[Keithpotkin]

35. in the ideal world, i would go for dean

but i think clark has a better chance of winning the election...

but since u didnt specify, i still voted with my favorite candidate...dean.

[reedthompson]

36. Clark will be President

How anyone can figure another outcome is beyond me.

Clark is the man.

[VoteClark]

43. They think wishing will carry their candidate into office

Just like McGovern.

Wishing doesn't get your candidate into office. Votes do. Clark can get them all the way up and down the political spectrum. From slightly conservative to extremely liberal. That is about 70% of the popular vote. Clark will only likely get 55% though.

:kick:
J4Clark

[VermontDem2004]

46. Your are wishing Clark gets the most votes

your argument is so convincing. Dean got 800 young voters at a single event, Clinton won with 65% of the 18-25 vote. Dean is the man that will energize the base and first time voters. Dean will win by 60%. Gore narrowly defeated Bush and got 55% of the 18-25 vote.

[Kahuna]

52. That's what they think evey four years. How..

Carter and Clinton slipped through I'll never know. Their track record is enough to let them know they're on the wrong track.

[farmbo]

42. And a hearty welcome to the Clark Yahoo Group...again.

Keep posting these "fair and balanced" polls until your candidate actually wins one.

:eyes:

[newsguyatl]

48. ROFLMFAO

oh, bless you! you've made my night with that one!!

with that, i can sleep well...


:bounce:

[Booberdawg]

54. Yup

Another setup

[redeye]

47. Dean...

...I can't believe I'm in the majority here. :9

[Kahuna]

50. Clark just bitch-slapped Scarborough on his own show...

Clark came out the gate like freakin' Rocky Balboa. He fillibustered Scarborough so that he couldn't get any of his wise cracks in.

Clark talked to Scarborough and the audience like they were fools if they didn't know that smirk lied about the war. Glad I taped it. This is the best yet.

WOOOOOOOOONK! You gotta provide a file on this one.

[unfrigginreal]

61. What a fuckin' shame that we can't all be hyped about it.

Why do you think that is? I'm pretty sure before tonight I would have thought that was a great thing. What do you suppose changed my opinion?

[Kahuna]

66. Okay. So you haven't crossed over to Clark. But a lot of DUers have..

and you know it. You can't win everybody. :shrug:

[ibegurpard]

68. Holy Christ!

There was a particularly rabid Dean supporter back when I was supporting Gore who I thought no one could top in irritating the hell out of me. You, my friend, have finally done it.

[Kahuna]

74. You irritate me too. So what?

Your problem with me is that I tell the truths that you don't want to hear. That's a personal problem.

[SweetZombieJesus]

78. Oh, so the Clark supporters are "truth tellers" now?

Kahuna, you've finally gone off the deep end into the "Posters With An Axe To Grind And Nothing Of Substance To Say" category. Welcome to ignore.

[Kahuna]

82. Why don't you try answering the question instead of changing it?

typical deanie-babie manuever.

[SweetZombieJesus]

86. Yeah, calling me a Deanie Baby is really helping matters

It occurs to me that less than a week ago, you and I had a nice civil conversation about Clark. Now, I have a problem with the tactics of one particular Clark supporter, and it's all venom from you. Pretty sad, Kahuna.

[Kahuna]

93. Use the friggin igore feature. I'm not here to please you..

You annoy me too from time to time. You don't see me making a big deal out of it. That's why I call you a Deanie-baby because...well you figure it out.

[VoteClark]

79. Just iggy them Kahuna, otherwise you go insane after a bit

[Kahuna]

84. After six years of cyber battle with repukes...

I'm used to these tactics. Extremists are extremists and they tend to use the same tactics. I have found that they get very testy when you point out facts that they don't want to hear.

[ibegurpard]

85. Yeah, you'd know, wouldn't you?

:eyes:

[juajen]

128. To Kahuna and VoteClark

Both of you are being rather insensitive to the feelings of others and are probably losing votes for Clark instead of gaining them. Get an attitude change! DUers support each other and democratic candidates.

There should be rejoicing over the very clever ripostes by Clark tonight on Scarborough Country. Actually the whole interview was probably the best a candidate or semi-candidate has given. The best answer of all was the one about Kosovo. Totally brilliant, IMHO. However, you do not need to beat DUers over the head and try to diminish their very wonderful advocacy of their candidates. All democrats are needed to beat the pugs.

Everyone, support your candidates with dignity and do not take potshots at fellow dems. We are not the enemy.

I voted for Clark; however, I support Dennis Kucinich, just for your curious information.

[VoteClark]

63. I don't get MSNBC

What happened in the show? DO you know if I can see it online some place. Thanks!

:kick:
J4Clark

[Kahuna]

70. J, you gotta see it! Hopefully it will be on digitalclark.com...

Clark was FIERCE! He left Scarborough in shock and awe. So much that Scarborough said that the dems really need to have Clark on our side.
Reading a transcript of this just won't be the same as hearing or seeing it.

[pansypoo53219]

51. Dean

as a politics novice, he would be great as a #2. this ain't beanbags anymore.

[HFishbine]

55. But

only one of them is a candidate.

[ErasureAcer]

58. Dunno much about Clark...but I hate Dean so Clark gets my vote

Dean is a used car salesman. Always bending the truth or just plain out lying.

Clark, while I don't know much about him....seems like a more honest person from what I've seen of him.

I don't think I'd vote for either though if they were to get the Dem nomination...just aren't liberal enough for my tastes...even if I did have a gun pointed to my head. But since I really hate Dean and his lies...I support Clark in this poll.

[mantis]

89. Hey.....

You got any evidence of that? Dean is a used
car salesman? Oh come on now....don't be a
load of shit.

[AmeriCanadian]

90. Speaking of honesty, I've noticed that Dean ...

... blinks fast and a lot whilst talking. I'm not one to pass judgement, but we've always heard that was a sign of someone not being truthful.

[VermontDem2004]

111. Not really

someone he appears over confident because they are trying to fool someone if they are well reahearsed. Also, a sign is leaning left when you lie because of one part of the brain is the creative side, notice, the next time you see Bush give a speech you will see him lean left on the podium when says something important that gets a loud applause.

[mantis]

60. Clark

He is my choice all the way.

Basically, he is Dean...with all the other stuff
ya need to win an election that Dean doesn't
have...Military/Foreign policy.

That is it!

Dean + Military/foreign policy experience/credibility

= Gen. Clark

[w13rd0]

65. Gee, if only...

...we were faced with such a decision. Two good men who have been firmly opposed to the Bush regime and outspoken in their opposition.

[Julien Sorel]

73. I think we can all agree with this sentiment.

Well said.

[VoteClark]

72. It has been a 0-6 vote split most the time

Very close in this poll.
If it is this close in the real nomination, it will be up the Super delegates to decide. Wonder who they would choose?

:kick:
J4Clark

[unfrigginreal]

81. Given that Kahuna is now tied to Vote Clark...

I feel sorry for her. She was always a respected and well known poster on DU. I hate losing respect for the Leaders that I see posting here but enough is enough.

There's always time for the unenlightened to get a clue, but I won't hold my breath.

[VoteClark]

83. This ignore button works really well

[mantis]

91. What is wrong

With "vote clark"?

I think I missed it? Did something happen?

[Kahuna]

102. I'll tell ya! They think the 'mighty' kahuna is responsible for..

Clark gaining support on DU. It's not because if me. It's because of Clark himself. Clark has been on a media blitz all summer. People see him and they like him. What's that got to do with me?

And, btw, It's also not my fault that Mike Moore, Joe Conason and Josh Marshall all endorsed and Clark candidacy and wrote flattering pieces about him. I don't even know Mike, Joe and Josh.

[goobergunch]

163. link? (n/t)

[Kahuna]

92. I can live without your respect. Okay? I'm not a "people pleaser."

I outgrew that ages ago. If you have a problem with me by all means use the ignore feature. But please stop harrassing me. You engage me, not the other way around. It would be really easy for you to ingore me if you don't like my style.

[unfrigginreal]

95. Harrasing you? Give me a Fucking Break!

get A GRIP kahuna! I'm so impressed with your tactics, that I'd never consider you as a fair minded person. Thankfully we have you to put on the pedestal! Well done I say! It's hard to imagine that you could possibly be on our team.

[Kahuna]

105. Glad you finally get it.

[Proletariat]

96. There's also a useful 'alert' button as well.

If he keeps harassing you, use it. Clark fans get harassed alot around here.

[Name removed]

97. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Proletariat]

100. You've been alerted

Keep it up

[Randi_Listener]

110. What....

...is your malfunction?

[Name removed]

98. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[bicentennial_baby]

101. Did you alert?

Did you alert on your alleged stalker? Or did you engage him and get into a flame-fest?

[Proletariat]

103. I did.

Hopefully he will leave.

[Kahuna]

104. No. I didn't alert. I'd rather use the ignore feature first...

I only alert on inappropriate subject matter. Like the time a poster started a thread, 'Do we need our own liberal Hilter?' I kid you not. Somebody actually posted that.

[InkAddict]

88. I'm hoping for a team

This country needs the "domestic" tranquility through change that
Dr. Howard Dean can supply and an equally strong view toward foreign policy issues. Mr. Selected's policies and feeble-mindedness have this country eating dust at home and abroad. I hope WC is not just providing additional tactical divisiveness among Democrats and will come around to these same conclusions.

[VoteClark]

99. Yeppy! Clark is ahead again!

[chaska]

107. Hey, what's all this?

Can't have this party w/out moi.

Again, I say that Dean is probably gonna win this poll, but this is a good idea because this is probably how it will end up eventually. I was thinking about this the other day. Seems to me that Dean will get most of the Kucinich people and Clark will get everybody else. That's probably been pointed out already though.

Let's remember though that clark is as yet undeclared. It will be quite a while before his candidacy builds to full strength.

[VoteClark]

109. Bump

[salin]

108. No offense - but ya'll

on both sides are starting to get a little caustic. Or is it toxic (in attitude). Ya'll get that there is a long, long road ahead and creating permanent divisions right now is NOT good strategy, don't you?

[bicentennial_baby]

112. I agree!

100%!! :bounce:

[VermontDem2004]

113. Hey this poll is just for fun

Dean 103-Clark 104 go get 'em Dean. Clark is my #2 favorite candidate and I think Dean-Clark are pretty even on the issues which is why I cannot understand the division between the two.

[Rooktoven]

116. Can we keep it civil?

We're all on the same side.

(Not voting in this one because I can't recall having seen Clark speak yet.)

[salin]

117. I am undecided - and am not worried about either candidates

it is the discourse between the "fans" that concerns me.

[ibegurpard]

115. Luckily for Dean, I haven't held the obnoxious behavior of some

of his supporters in the past against him. I'll extend the same courtesy to Clark.

[salin]

118. No, but I think I am about to start

holding some of the fans behaviors against themselves (on an individual by individual basis).

[Kazak]

114. Eek!!

Gonna be a close one...

[AP]

120. Clark offers a better contrast to Bush, however...

...I really believe that if you run a general it's basically a concession that the Republican view of the world (that national security and fighting people overseas are the only important issues) is the correct view of the world. Conceding so much territory to Republicans would be hard to overcome. Afterall, they're way ahead of Demcrats on the issues in most people's minds. Also, I don't see how minority and working class voters would get energized by Clark -- he doesn't speak to the issues that are important to them (class and opportunity). But, compared to Dean, Clark is probably the better candidate because he has nothing in his past that he has to explain away, and he seems like a guy who was worked incredibly hard at every step of his life, and has really committed himself to excellence, and it doesn't seem like anyone has ever given him anything he didn't earn for himself.

Ideally, the Democrats should be looking for someone like FDR -- someone who, in the most troubling times, gave people hope through gentleness, kindness and compassion, and who appealed to Americans' best insticts for hard work and a desire to see your fellow citizens' circumstances improved. That's the kind of candidate who's going to shake Americans from the fucking haze of despondency and disgust.

[NNN0LHI]

121. Sorry. Can't vote in your poll. I don't know who I will vote for yet

But I do know I will vote for the Democratic presidential candidate during the next general election.

Don

[VoteClark]

122. Kick

[VoteClark]

123. Bump

[TacticalPeek]

124. Whoever programmed this votecounting routine has a real sense of humor. n

[TSIAS]

125. kick

[TSIAS]

130. One more time

:kick:

[juajen]

127. I like both, but tonight

I heard a tie-breaker; General Clark's response to Scarborough's familiar taunt, "what about Clinton and Kosovo". Can't remember the exact question, but Clark's answer was brilliant. Scarey that Joe practically endorsed him afterwards, though.

[Clark Can WIN]

129. Clark then Dean

would be my order of choice because I definately believe Clark can bring more states to the EC. I want to WIN. I want to win decisively, without possibility of the haggling and theft witnessed previously. I plan to volunteer for Clark as soon as he declares but should Dean win the nomination I would be willing to work for him too. But I can tell you Clark is the only one on the block who can take my state (NE) away from Busch.

[Bread and Circus]

132. I accidentally voted for Dean...

Paint me a West Palm Beach voter but
I accidentally voted for Dean.

I really meant to vote for Clark.

I couldn't take my vote back, ahhhh!!!

NO biggie :)

[TacticalPeek]

133. Ahso, the famous top-of-the-ticket-advantage effect...

yeah man, how was this ballot order decided? there must be some hateful deanies or spiteful clarkbars involved somewhere!

(sorry to need to note: sar-chasm)

[CoffeePlease1947]

134. You from Florida or Michigan?

I am just joking with you.

Mike

[VermontDem2004]

135. It is still close

I just woke up 143-143.

[DemocratSinceBirth]

136. Here's My Take

I don't think there is a dime's worth of difference on the big issues bewtween Dean and Clark.

Dean and Clark are New Democrats no matter how much they embrace or eschew the label. They are pro civil rights, fiscally moderate , free trade, and internationalist in their foreign policy

There is a big difference in the positions of these two fellas and Kucinich, Sharpton, and Moseley Braun, and to a lesser extent Dick Gephardt.

So, if you want the real left wing candidate don't choose the Doctor or the General choose those guys and gal.

That being said, I will support the most liberal and the most electable Democrat in the primaries-

General Wesley Clark

[TacticalPeek]

137. agreed...to be progressive you must first be possible. n/t

[DemocratSinceBirth]

140. It's Elementary

It's like an artist....


To be successful you got to get people to like your stuff.

[_NorCal_D_]

138. Kick

:kick:

Dean: 148

Clark: 150

still 50-50......

[TacticalPeek]

141. Kick n/t

[noonwitch]

142. Clark, with Dean as VP would be a good ticket

That way you have an experienced military guy paired with an experienced executive official.

[JaneQPublic]

143. I like `em both.

Dean is my first choice, but I wouldn't be devastated if Clark won the nomination.

My ideal ticket is Dean-Clark, but Clark-Dean would be excellent also.

Both Dean and Clark are great men and assets to the Party. I'm very proud they're on our team.

[stickdog]

144. Clark.

The DLC's last hope.

[nolabels]

145. The DLC, a hopeless cause

Tastes right, with half the calories

[TacticalPeek]

146. Kick n/t

[VermontDem2004]

147. kick-Dean's ahead

:kick:

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

148. Went with Clark...this time.

I'm starting to swing to Clark. As someone from the rather extreme left of the party, I've been a rather tepid Dean supporter. I certainly haven't written him off. But, I was thinking about Clark this morning - there's a lot to be said for him. From what I know about him, his positions seem liberal enough for me to live with. Much as I view Dean.

The difference is that Clark comes to the table without a record that can be distorted and quibbled over by the repubs. I'm very leary of a military man, but Clark seems to have a pretty good perspective on it.

But, the main reason I'm swinging towards him, is that the repubs would have a hell of time trying to attack him. They couldn't rely on the BS "soft of defense" bogeyman. Or, anything in his record. They would have to go after him on the issues other than Iraq and the bogus "war on terrorism". And, on domestic issues, just about every one is a loser for BushCorp. Health care, the environment, tax cuts, the economy, women's rights, minorities, you name it. Beyond that, I believe he would mop the floor with the clueless fratboy.

In short, he's looking very electable, and one that could do that amazing thing of uniting the party. Selecting a woman or a minority as VP would, IMO, make him damn near unbeatable.

I'm not "committed" to any candidate at this time, and if I felt that my first choice had a chance, I would vote for Sharpton. But, I can vote with a clear conscience for Clark..or Dean.

[TacticalPeek]

151. Your VP specs are more likely...

But wouldn't Dean make a great attack-mode VP candidate! The chimp and Chaney would get a bad case of the red-ass, if either or both stick around for the showdown.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

157. I'd have no problem with Dean as VP but

I'd rather see a woman or African American. One of the things I like about Clark is his dignified manner. Quite a contrast to the inarticulate, dumbass, fratboy with his goofy smirk and phoney tough guy "Bring 'em on.", "We're gonna smoke 'em out.", rambo, strutting. I think that if the Democrats bring dignity to the debates it'll make Rove's boys look like a couple of adolescent loudmouths.

As for the cavetroll Cheney, I'd think any Democrat could make him look like the fatcat, oilrich, sneak, that he is.

[TacticalPeek]

161. OK.

Harold Ford? Getting too dignifying to Repugs, lately, for my taste.

I got it! Dr. Laura Tyson. (sigh)

Bolster the domestic econ flank. And she handles KKKudlow nonothings as fine and effectively as Clark dressed down Joe the Scar yesterday.

That's the ticket.

[ElementaryPenguin]

149. I want 'em both!!

eom

[Born_a_Democrat]

150. WOOHOOO I BROKE THE TIE AT 172 FOR DEAN

Although I wouldn't mind seeing a Dean/Clark Ticket...

[DoveTurnedHawk]

152. The Thing I'm THRILLED About

Is that DU is left-of-the-mainstream when it comes to the Democratic Party. If it's this close here, I am hoping that the more moderate Democrats (and independents, where eligible) will boost Clark to a clear victory in the primaries.

Assuming, of course, that he runs at all. ;-)

DTH

[TacticalPeek]

154. You right.

I SERiously dream of this election having watershed, ground-shifting potential. Muchmuch work to maximize it, but its there.

[DoveTurnedHawk]

160. Well, Congress Will Be Tough

Odds are stacked against us. But anything is possible!

DTH

[FlaGranny]

153. I did not vote. The supporters of these

candidates are turning me off to both of them.

[gyopsy]

155. I voted Dean

Frankly, I'm not really sure of my opinion on Clark. The man hasn't even commited to run yet and he hasn't made all of his platforms clear. I should like to hear him speak on important issues.

[quirked]

156. suprising results

I didn't think the General had that much support here on DU! Nice to see.

Dave K.
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[Nashyra]

158. I like them both

but I have obviously decided to back Clark if he runs. There is a great thread in GD that is addressed to Clark supporters but has value for everyone here at DU about supporting their candidates. I hope Clark will run and win, but if Dean is the nominee I will work my but off for him.

[DemExpat]

159. Kick for Clark

But they are both great candidates!

:kick:
DemEx

[peabody71]

162. kick for Dean. Voting for Clark is not yet reasonable.

[TacticalPeek]

165. Kix are for fair and balanced kids. n/t

[goobergunch]

164. I want Dean/Clark 2004

Both of these people are strongly commendable and I would have no problem supporting either for the nomination. However, I must say that the behavior of certain Clark supporters is getting annoying.

[LeftPeopleFinishFirst]

166. Give me a break.

:eyes:

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

167. kick

[TacticalPeek]

168. backkcik n/t

[bluestateguy]

169. If the other DLCers drop out Clark will quickly become the frontrunner

Dean may want to start courting the Kucinich supporters.

[CoffeePlease1947]

170. Interesting Poll

Will it come down to Clark and Dean?

Mike

[CMT]

171. kick

eom.

[Vis Numar]

172. Both

But I voted for Dean-- before I was for Clark, before then, I was for Dean.

You posters that are trying to create division between Clark and Dean need to rethink your tactics. There's little doubt in my mind that this is the 2004 ticket, so keep that in mind when you root for either Clark or Dean.

[TacticalPeek]

173. kick /nt