Want to buy less oil and therfore dump less?

[muffin_man]

By using a true synthetic you extend the time between oil changes. A true synthetic is also not refined from crude oil. Therefore your buying less oil.Mobil one and others are not true synthtics.The synthetic I use has a change interval of 25k! I still change at 7500k though.Not quite comfortable going that long. I thought they were full of it at first but in advertising you cant make specific remarks about specific brands unless they are true.Amsoil outperforms all other oils.Look around the site and see what you think.No matter what, by using Amsoil you'll buy less oil and therfore less will have to recyled.Its about 6 bucks a quart or 70 for 12.Decide how far you'll go between changes with a oil thats recommended to go 25k and see if you would save $.I know I sound like a salesperson but if everyone changed their oil with this it could make a dent in crude oil use.

The big oil companies offer lots of slick fluffy marketing claims like "Nothing outperforms Mobil 1", but offer no proof or facts. The truth is, AMSOIL synthetic oil outperforms Mobil 1 and all other conventional and synthetic lubricants. And we have the proof to back it up. They don't, which is why they can only use slogans. AMSOIL, the First in Synthetics.

"Our Company makes the best lubricants in the world, period, and challenges anyone or any company to prove us wrong! That won't happen because our competitors know it's true." -A.J. Amatuzio, President & CEO



http://www.bestsynthetic.com/whataresyn.shtml

[cheezus]

1. yeah,that 4 quarts a year is what'll kill us

[muffin_man]

2. Little more than 4.

For years, motor oil commonly was reused or discarded in ways that neither protected the environment nor conserved its resource value. In the United States alone, an estimated 200 million gallons of used motor oil are improperly disposed of by being dumped on the ground, tossed in the trash (ending up in landfills), and poured down storm sewers and drains. Just one gallon of used oil has the potential to contaminate up to one million gallons of drinking water. Additionally, used oil that ends up in the country's rivers, lakes, and streams can threaten aquatic life.


This is just what is improperly disposed. 200 million? Little more than 4 quarts.

http://www.pueblo.gsa.gov/cic_text/cars/oilreuse/oilreuse.htm

[Gregorian]

3. Someone really doesn't get it.

Our priorities are so screwed up. In so many ways, I can't even begin to list them. But as for oil, and mulitiplicity, and so-called contamination- There ARE oil spills in nature. Millions of gallons that simply come out of the ground, under the sea. I've seen it in Santa Barbara many years ago. And as for oil being used. Why not think of having two or fewer children. That would have a far greater affect on oil usage than any single thing we could possibly do.
I think the human race has gone completely insane. We need permits to install sheetrock in our own homes, yet fish and game has allowed our streams to go from teaming with fish, to absolutely no fish at all. I'm quite ashamed to be associated with this specie. No offense to the posters here. I just need to vent my frustration about every four hours.

[muffin_man]

4. Oil spills in nature are small.

Look at what "we" do ourselves without natures help.

http://seawifs.gsfc.nasa.gov/OCEAN_PLANET/HTML/peril_oil_pollution.html

Down the Drain: 363 Million Gallons
Used engine oil can end up in waterways. An average oil change uses five quarts; one change can contaminate a million gallons of fresh water. Much oil in runoff from land and municipal and industrial wastes ends up in the oceans. 363 million gallons §
Road runoff adds up
Every year oily road runoff from a city of 5 million could contain as much oil as one large tanker spill §.

Routine Maintenance: 137 Million Gallons
Every year, bilge cleaning and other ship operations release millions of gallons of oil into navigable waters, in thousands of discharges of just a few gallons each.

Up in Smoke: 92 Million Gallons
Air pollution, mainly from cars and industry, places hundreds of tons of hydrocarbons into the oceans each year. Particles settle, and rain washes hydrocarbons from the air into the oceans.

Natural Seeps: 62 Million Gallons
Some ocean oil "pollution" is natural. Seepage from the ocean bottom and eroding sedimentary rocks releases oil.

Big Spills: 37 Million Gallons
Only about 5 percent of oil pollution in oceans is due to major tanker accidents, but one big spill can disrupt sea and shore life for miles §. 37 million gallons §

[muriel_volestrangler]

5. What's the original source of the chemicals?

Is is crude oil? Or plant oils? Or something else? If crude oil, do you know how much is used to get the chemicals which are then synthesized into the lubricant? Is there definitely a net saving on crude oil?

[muffin_man]

6. Its all at the site.

Synthetic lubricants are chemically engineered from pure chemicals rather than refined from crude oil. That gives them significant advantages over refined oils.

Even if it was refined from crude as most other "synthetics" are, the interval is far greater allowing you to use less oil over your lifetime.There has been rigorous comparisons done and Amsoil is superior


http://www.bestsynthetic.com/whataresyn.shtml

[muriel_volestrangler]

7. The interval may mean less crude is used overall

but I wondered if that had actually been confirmed. Your site just says "pure chemicals" are used; I suspected, and this site seems to confirm, that crude oil is the source of the chemicals. Since purification of chemicals itself will use some energy, it is possible that you end up using just as much crude to produce the better-performing lubricant.

"Synthetic oils also derive from crude oil, but by carefully selecting the feedstock and using a hydrogen-based synthesis process, we can physically restructure the hydrocarbon molecules to create a more consistent and homogenous end product."

[muffin_man]

10. Not Amsoil.

The other"syns" that Shell is refering to are not true syns.Castrol,Mobile one and so forth are derived from crude and therfore are not 100% synthetic as Amsoil is.

Synthetic lubricants are chemically engineered from pure chemicals rather than refined from crude oil

In other words Amsoil is not refined from crude oil.The main point is they dont use any mineral based oils.

A driver who travels 20k a year and changes oil every 5k dumps 20 quarts per year. Over ten years thats 200 quarts.That same driver using Amsoil uses 6 quarts per year. Only dumping 60 quarts over ten years.But hey since it may use energy to make a synthetic keep dumping 200 quarts every ten years.Then multiply by 300 million.

[muriel_volestrangler]

11. So it's made from plant based oils then? (n/t)

[muffin_man]

12. Its all at the site.

What are AMSOIL Synthetic Motor Oils?

AMSOIL Synthetic Lubricants are fuel efficient, extended life lubricants manufactured from select synthetic base stocks and special purpose additives.(no petrolleum) These lubricants provide improved overall performance characteristics when compared to conventional petroleum oils.

What are AMSOIL Synthetic Blend Motor Oils?

AMSOIL Synthetic Blend Motor Oils are a blend of synthetic fluids and petroleum oils. They are combined to form an all season motor oil that demonstrates many of the performance features of synthetic lubricants.


They dont advise the base,but do repeatedly advise their syn is not refined from crude.I dont know what else you want.

Documentation

The numbers in this calculation were based on 1998 data on Domestic Motor Fuel Consumption by Type of Vehicle, 1970-1998.* 1998 was most recent year for complete data, but each succeeding year has seen an increase in these numbers, so it can be postulated that the numbers would actually be higher.

Domestic Fuel Consumption Data

CARS


Fuel Consumption, All Cars 72 billion gallons
2% OF 72 BILLION = 1.44 Billion gallons of fuel consumed
5% OF 72 BILLION = 3.66 Billion gallons of fuel consumed
Average miles per gallon: 21.4 miles per gallon
at 2% = 30.8 billion miles (1.44 x 21.4)
at 5% = 78.3 billion miles (3.66 x 21.4)

How far is 30.8 billion miles?

DISTANCE TO SUN 93 million miles
Round Trip 186 million miles
To Sun & Back = 165 round trips if fuel use is reduced 2%
420 round trips if fuel use is reduced 5%
DISTANCE TO MOON 238,857 miles
Round Trip = 477,714 miles
Trips to Moon and back = 64,473 round trips if fuel use is reduced 2%
163,000 round trips if fuel use is reduced 5%


TRUCKS

Fuel Consumption,
All Trucks
30.8 billion gallons
Documented fuel savings by switching to AMSOIL lubricants in engine and throughout drivetrain = 8.2%

8.2% OF 30.8 BILLION =
2.52 BILLION Gallons

Fuel usage, average miles per gallon for over the road trucks = 6.4 mpg

2.52 billion gallons @ 6.4 miles per gallon = 16.128 billion miles that U.S. trucks would be able to travel on the fuel saved by switching to AMSOIL.

This equates to 86 trips to the sun and back.
(16.128 billion divided by 186 million)
Or 33,760 trips to the moon and back.
(16.128 billion divided by 477,714)

BOTTOM LINE: AMSOIL Saves You Money

* p. 640, U.S. Census Bureau, Statistical Abstract of the United States, 2000

[muriel_volestrangler]

14. Thanks - I hadn't found the fuel consumption figure savings

2% of, say, 500 gallons per year, is 10 gallons - so that's actually the biggest benefit of all.

I was curious what they made the product from - as you say, they don't specify. Any carbon compound 'pure chemical' will either come from plants (eg ethanol from corn) or from crude oil. Most of these chemicals that are used as ingredients in other products do come from crude oil - I think the base stocks they use for this will too.

[muffin_man]

18. More than 10 gal.

18 gal to fill my tank. I fill up once a week just going to work and back.Not accounting for any extra travel,shopping ect.18 gal a week for 52 week is 936 gal. Closer to 20 gal saved just from using a differnet oil.It is actually the least benefit.I'm not touting the gas savings.I'm touting less oil having to be dumped and when you consider one oil change can contaminate a million gallons of fresh water,the less we have to change the better off the enviroment.

[Fescue4u]

8. Dude Mobile 1 invented synthetics

You are thinking about Castrol and several others that highly refine crude and call it synthetic.

I used to have a chart of all the oils out there with their flash points, ash contents etc, and Mobil 1 and Amsoil came out on top.

If I recall Amsoil edged slightly ahead of mobile 1, but Amsoil is much much costlier than mobil 1 (and mobil 1 is expensive already). Unless you are running race cars, Mobil 1 is the way to go.

Anyway I agree that synthetics are the way to go, I run mobil 1 in all my cars and lawn equipment.

[muffin_man]

9. Amsoil was first in synthetics.I know what I am thinking.

Did you even read the first post completely?.Keep buying the hype though cause"nothing out performs Mobile One".Here is the testing vs Mobile.

http://www.mmbarberoilman.com/amsoilvsmobile1.html

And here is pricing on Mobile one. I already stated Amsoil is about 6 bucks a quart and you can use the link in my first post to verify that.I dont know if you consider $1.23/quart "much much costlier" but its not for me.

WalMart’s price (Nov., 2002) for Mobil 1 SuperSyn 5W-30 is $28.62 for a case of six quarts ($4.77 per quart).

6 qts. of AMSOIL ASL = 6 qts. at $5.70/qt = $34.20



The Company of Firsts
AMSOIL has a documented history of innovation and leadership.

First to develop an API-rated 100 percent synthetic motor oil.
First to introduce the concept of "extended drain intervals" with a recommended 25,000-mile/1-year drain interval.

First U.S. company to utilize the NOACK volatility test as a standard of performance excellence.

First to produce synthetic motor oils for diesel engines, racing engines, turbo and marine engines.

First to introduce synthetic oils that legitimately contribute to improving fuel efficiency.

First to manufacture synthetic gear lube for automotive use.

First to manufacture a 100:1 pre-mix synthetic 2-cycle oil.

First to manufacture a synthetic automatic transmission fluid for automotive use.

[Fescue4u]

17. Spare it.

I can see through hype quite well thank you and I've done more than a little research into this area, albeit quite a long time ago.

Anyway. Amsoil was the first to market synthitic lubricants for automotive use, but they did not invent them.

As your website points out, synthetics were in use in aeronautical applications before Amsoil existed.

Nonethless, Amosil -IS-, a very very good lubricant. However for the money Mobil 1 serves automotive applications just as well for a cost savings. Not to mention the fact that I CAN get mobil 1 (and other synthetics and "fake" synthics (i.e. Castrol) at a local store...whereas amsoil is a bit more cumbersome to locate.

I've been using Synthetics for about 15 years now, and I've nothing but good things to say about them.

[MUSTANG_2004]

13. But how much energy is used when producing the synthetic?

It's possible that they use as much or more energy to create the synthetic as you'd save by using it.

[muffin_man]

15. Well...

Since crude is not used you can cut out the energy used to remove it,transport it,store it,refine it.You decide.Even if it takes more energy to produce 1 quart of syn to 1 quart of conventional your using less conventional oil and producing less overall.Imagine everyone going from 20 quarts a year to 6!Bottom line that means less oil into the enviroment.None burned off by your motor and released into the air as since Amsoil does not volatize,and when you consider one oil change can contaminate a million gallons of fresh water,the less we have to change the better off the enviroment.

[muffin_man]

16. Dupe