The South, for all you STUPID BASTARDS

[WilliamPitt]

Clinton, Gore, Johnson, Carter, Martin Luther King, Jr., Rosa Parks, the Civil Rights Museum in Birmingham, the Southern Poverty Law Center in Montgomery, blues music, jazz music, bluegrass music, Elvis, grits, ham with breakfast, biscuits and gravy, chicken n' dumplings, okra too, Twain, Faulkner, Fitzgerald, R.P. Warren, my father who has been root-down in every Democratic Presidential race since 1968, my grandmother from Decatur AL who taught me to read when I was two, my grandfather from Decatur AL who was the first licensed pediatrician ever to work in Alabama, twelve cousins, the banks of the Tennessee River, the banks of the Alabama River, the banks of the Mississippi River, real barbecue, catfish, New Orleans, Mardi Gras, the Allman Brothers, Pigpen from the Grateful Dead, and the fundamental idea that the Federal Government isn't always right (see: George W. Bush).

In other words, a massive amount of what is good in America.

If you stupid, ignorant, narrow-minded never-been-there dumbass fucking assholes cannot get a grip on this, then YOU are the losers of the bunch.

KISS MY ALABAMA ASS.

[joe_momma]

1. amen brother...

not to mention a few guys that had something to do with the founding of our country.

[Fescue4u]

134. YUP!

bigotry against the south is just as bad as any other bigotry

[Catherine Vincent]

2. You don't have to get snippy about it!

LOL!

[sujan]

3. lol

[SweetZombieJesus]

4. You forgot Bill Hicks and David Cross

David's from Georgia, Bill was from Mississippi originally, and then was transplanted to Texas.

[arcane1]

10. and most importantly...

ME!

:-)

[1monster]

And Lenard Skinard too!

Pickin' down in Jacksonville. B-)

[ComerPerro]

5. Do not mess with Will Pitt

Just some free advice.

Nice post

[DuctapeFatwa]

6. There is no need to bring okra into this

And real barbecue comes from Middle Georgia, not Alabama.

[WilliamPitt]

7. I will concede this fundamental truth

Touche. :)

[MattNC]

13. real barbecue

comes from Eastern North Carolina :)

[DuctapeFatwa]

19. Bewildering and peculiar eating habits of North Carolinians

They put SLAW on their barbecue. It can be argued that they do not know WHAT their barbecue is like, since they insist on burying it under little ritual piles of shredded cabbage and watered-down mayonnaise.

Nor are they deterred by pointing and laughing, which the rest of the barbecue-eating world has done at them for generations.

[arcane1]

31. ughh.. and some places even mix the slaw IN the barbecue

:puke:



a :toast: to the slawless!!

[TennesseeWalker]

47. *sigh*

Do you like sweet tea?

[Vadem]

54. Oh yeah babeeee! and on hotdogs, too, with chili, coleslaw,

lots of onions, sweet pickle relish and mustard. Yummmmmmmy!

[Rex]

68. Better be nice to the Hessians!

:evilgrin:

[kenth]

103. What is the deal with the slaw?

They put it on every damned thing. My initial shock was visiting a small diner in NC shortly after moving here. I watched in disbelief as the cook dropped some local's hot dog in a deep fry basket and lowered it into the oil, then finally pulled it out and threw it on the grill. Then she proceeded to cover it in some nasty bean-like substance (supposedly chili) and tons of slaw. And, the person who ordered a hot dog was immensely happy at the outcome.

Since, I've seen them put slaw on everything. From the local sad excuse for BBQ (roast pork with a bit of commercial sauce squirted on it) to hamburgers and hotdogs to steak! It's a really nasty limp slimy slaw too.

I just want to know why? WHY?

[I Lean Left]

123. Slaw on Dogs

I worked in a Kosher Deli in the Bronx when I was in high school. Had a grill specifically for kosher hot dogs and knishes right by the register in front for the fast take-out crowd. Had a pan of chili on it, pan of sauerkraut, etc. One of the most popular dogs was mustard and cole slaw! You could also get potato salad, which I thought was even weirder than slaw.

[jmowreader]

147. The Eastern North Carolinian...

is born with no taste buds. It's the only thing I can think of.

It's not just the slaw. It's everything they eat. I printed a brochure for a carnival company that works the Carolinas. Among the selections on their Midway Food menu is Banana Pudding. Uhh...yeah. I like banana pudding, just not on a carnival midway.

The next atrocity: Deep Fried Turkey. In about two months I am going to sell so many turkey fryers it will make your head spin. I think I know the reason: back in the old days before NASCAR's Modern Era, they used to run Grand National races on Wednesday nights. Maw and Paw would go to the Thanksgiving Eve races, stay up too late drinkin' shine, then got up in a terrible stupor on Thursday morning 'bout 11am. "Paw, did yew put the turkey in the oven?" 'No, I thought you did.' "Paw, we got a problem: we got thirty hungry young'uns comin' in three hours and nothin' to feed 'em. Now what do we do?" 'Hesh up, Maw. We got 'bout a hunnert pounds'a lard down in ta smokehouse, we got a big ol' soap kettle and we got that huge burner. I'll jest heat up some 'dat lard, git 'er boilin' good, throw Mr. Tom right in 'er." Then the young'uns (who got young'uns of their own) took one bite of that deep fried turkey and said, "now that's some fine eatin' right there, yes it is. Pop-pop, how'dja cook 'at turkey there? I knowed y'all was watchin' Cale and the King last night over a jug'a shine." Next thing you know, even people in the North are deep-frying turkeys.

There's a little town called Goldsboro about sixty miles from here. Claims to be the barbecue capital of the world, which would be a strong claim except for one little problem: the best barbecue in all Goldsboro is the "Eastern NC Barbecue Sandwich" at Hardee's. Not even Goldsboro residents will eat in local Goldsboro barbecue joints.

The seafood situation is, if anything, bleaker. "Calabash-style" seafood is all the rage. It's what you do with the turkey fryer when it's not a turkey holiday. They love their oysters steamed, though, and have big events where bushels of oysters are steamed for consumption on the premises. Apparently, you're supposed to open an oyster with your Oyster Knife (many people are proud of their engraved oyster knives), pull its little body out, lay it on a cracker, douse it in Texas Pete hot sauce (which has even less to do with Texas than Dubya Bush does--it's made in Winston-Salem, NC) and slurp it down quick. I tried one. I'll stick to clams, thanks.

(A little about Goldsboro: The biggest current Source of Civic Pride in Goldsboro is Old Waynesborough Historical Village. It's a collection of old buildings to represent the town of Waynesborough when it was the seat of Wayne County. Everyone moved out of Waynesborough to Goldsborough before the Civil War, and when Sherman hit town all he found were two cotton warehouses--both of which he torched. Now they have a whole little city built up there. Some of the buildings are really neat to look at, but how "historical" can you be when you have five buildings trucked in from Goldsboro, four from outside Wayne County and two they built in the 1980s?)

[Pompitous_Of_Love]

120. You're getting your barbecues mixed up

Sorry, pal, but I used to be a judge for barbecue contests here in North Carolina. The mayonnaise-based cole slaw is a staple of Eastern North Carolina barbecue and is never, ever slopped onto the top of barbecue, unless specifically requested as part of a barbecue sandwich. Western North Carolina (Lexington-style) barbecue is hickory-smoked and it is perfectly normal to serve it with vineger-based cole slaw on top, but you would also more likely than not find that combination on a barbecue sandwich rather than plate barbecue. Anyone interested in Eastern North Carolina barbecue who is traveling through the region can e-mail me and I can help them locate some decent barbecue restaurants.

[CatWoman]

39. WRONG

Real bbq comes from middle America.

[esse_quam_videri]

84. Only if it comes from Pete Jones "Skylight Inn" in

Ayden! ;-)

[Brian Sweat]

142. Die heretic

That slop y'all call BBQ ain't fit for a hog.

[ScreamingMeemie]

16. Bring more okra, can't get enough, we love okra here...

MMMMMmmmmmMMMMM okra.

[karlschneider]

94. I like okra too, but the little buggars are hard to catch. Good thing

they leave those slime trails on the sidewalk!
;-)

[nolabels]

96. Let's get this straight !

Are we chasing after the Okra that got away or the slimy animals that ate them ?
http://www.perversiontracker.com/archives/000111.html
(snip)
Giant African Snail v 1.0

This slimy calcium-encapsulated application is a serious agricultural pest, ready to attack 500 plant species with crazed abandon at the slightest provocation. It will eat eggplant, chili peppers, okra, cabbage, and cacao. Not even peanuts and papayas are safe from its predatory rasping tongue. You have to admire the chutzpah of this importunate mollusc.
(snip)

[Pepperbelly]

17. dead wrong ...

Arkansas for wet bar-b-q, Tennessee for dry.

:D

[ChoralScholar]

75. heey.. another Arkansan!!!

Good to see you... Amen on the BBQ. BTW, There is no good BBQ in Fayetteville... a real disappointment.

[Art_from_Ark]

92. There used to be a BBQ place just south of Dickson St. near Kinko's

Ever been there? Or has it closed?

[DuctapeFatwa]

133. Fincher's in Macon, Ga is the home of the One True Barbecue

Many people who have not had Fincher's believe that they have had barbecue. They should not be condemned for this, it is not their fault, merely a misconception that can be cleared up easily by going to Fincher's and intoning the magic phrase, "pig, please" to the Guardians of Barbecue charged with the task of distributing it.

[curlyred]

146. that's where I was born

Macon, not Fincher's. :) Although...........

[Bake]

108. Right on, Pepperbelly!

West Tennessee "dry" barbeque: take a pig shoulder and smoke it for a good long time, then pull it off the shoulder, put just a smidgen of burn-the-hair-in-your-nose hot sauce, slap some slaw on top (all in a big ol' bun, of course), and that is the best barbeque on the planet. "Memphis style."

Bake

[leftofthedial]

32. I LOVE okra

Fried, it is divine.

In gumbos, it is exquisite.

Pickled, it is transcendent.

[ScreamingMeemie]

35. Me too and I am getting sick and damned tired of everyone here at DU

picking on that poor little vegetable. This is third thread in a week Dammit!!!!!!!!!!

:evilgrin:

[TennesseeWalker]

48. Should we hate broccoli instead?

eom

[ForrestGump]

87. What little vegetable?

George W. Bush?

[asjr]

36. okra

Please bring okra into this. Fried okra is manna from Heaven. And when Jack Daniels throws a barbecue in Lynchburg, you will die and think you have gone to heaven.

[graelent]

60. Actually

Real Bar-B-Que comes from Texas

[alarimer]

74. Amen

Nothing like a slow-cooked brisket over a mesquite fire

[ChoralScholar]

77. I have to say....

Its hard to beat Bakers Ribs in Dallas for BBQ. Just up the street from SMU on Greenville Ave.

[Tennessee Gal]

115. Texas Bar-B-Que is beef.......

Real Bar-B-Que is pork and I love that slaw on it!

[Brian Sweat]

143. No, really it doesn't.

It just that people from Texas think the world centers around them and that all things good come from texas. BBQ predates Texas.

[IranianDemocrat]

135. Okra is slime and shit.

How do you eat that garbage?

[sujan]

8. what about John Brown?

[jafap]

66. you mean the one moulderin in his grave?

He was born in Torrington, Ct, so what else about him?

[antineocon1]

9. Yeehaa

You tell 'em.

[MattNC]

11. Let's give it up for the South!

:toast:

[VelmaD]

12. Marry Me?

I love okra.

Darth Velma

*psst* Dude, you left out Barbara Jordan and Janis Joplin.

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[hlthe2b]

15. Now that that is out there...

Tell us what you really think, Will! LOL

As one who has lived/worked throughout the US, but spent a large portion of my years growing up in the deep south, I'm with you. While I worked to lose that (or any other accent) because of its influence on my public speaking, I still am fond of those who maintain theirs.

Yessiree, lots of the best of this country came from the south...

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[QC]

21. Will, I remember your grandmother well.

She and my mother were close friends for many years. A fine lady.

And a few more names we should not forget: B.B. King, Truman Capote, Tennessee Williams, Flannery O'Connor.

[Pepperbelly]

24. and Harper F*CKING Lee! nt

:D

[roughsatori]

28. Capote really wrote "To Kill a Mockingbird"!

Just kidding. I had to defend Harper Lee the other evening to a person making that claim, which I am sick of hearing.

[Pepperbelly]

30. Capote was Dill and it could easily be said that Lee did most of the work

on In Cold Blood.

Seriously, many of the jayhawkers they had to interview were a little less than totally comfortable with a rather fabulous Truman Capote.

[roughsatori]

41. "a rather fabulous Truman Capote" LOL

If you have never seen the Dick Cavett clip of Capote proclaiming "I am a drug addict, alcoholic, homosexual and genius" you should try to catch it, it is sad, funny, and touching all at once.

[Pepperbelly]

43. and every bit of it ...

was no doubt true. If I get the chance to see it, I certainly will. He was, as I recall, a rather bold character ... his public persona more of a charicature actually. Probably at his most genuine with the esteemed Ms. Lee.

[QC]

52. I have a wonderful video here

of interviews with Gore Vidal, and at one point the interviewer goads him into dissing various writers. Of Hemingway: "A very bad man and a very bad writer."

When they get to Capote, Vidal breaks into a perfect imitation of Truman, lisp and all, and imitates Capote saying of him (Vidal), "Oh, he's just a terrible person!"

It always cracks me up!

[RUMMYisFROSTED]

72. An odd note:

My best friend's uncle was the man who visited Smith in jail at the end of In Cold Blood.

I asked him about it and he said that, as a brother-in-arms (he served in Smith's unit) he felt he owed him his support, murderer, or not. He was a very religious person and felt that it was his duty to offer a branch of salvation to him. I think he felt that Capote portrayed him in an unfavorable light. He had a far-away look in his eye and couldn't make eye contact when we talked about it.

:shrug:

I said it was an "odd note."



Disclaimer: This was 20 years ago and the man he met may have been Hickock but I think it was Perry. Anyway, it was quite memorable in the fact that he obviously had very strong feelings about it.

[David Zephyr]

153. Well, I Don't Know If You Can Defend Against That "Claim"

I happen to believe that it is quite possible that Truman might have indeed penned TKAM...I am open to inquiry.

[WilliamPitt]

33. GET OUTTA TOWN

You knew Dorothea?

[QC]

38. Yes, went to church with her when I was growing up.

She and my mother were in the same women's Sunday school class for twenty years or so.

[WilliamPitt]

40. Oh man

I'm actually a little choked up. I called her Memaw, and she was a teacher like I was. An incredible woman. Oh, this is tha LAST place I expected to have this pappen.

Oh man.

[never cry wolf]

22. right on will,

you forgot r.e. lee who i consider a great american patriot in truth, and i am a chicagoan born and bred.

[Lars39]

23. Wonderful heritage. Some good news.......

though it might only get us three measly electoral votes(as I was told earlier). :eyeroll:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=67898&mesg_id=67898

[Jawja]

25. Go Get 'em Will!!

:bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

[Alenne]

26. There are more threads about Southern bashing than South bashing threads

and there are only about 3 Duers I can think of that even try to bash the south.

[DS1]

27. Listen up,

you anti-zionist liberal elitist Massachustts-Kennedy-slurpin' Tax-lovin' Big-dig-scammin' Peoples
'-Republic-frequentin' Pike-drivin, aah-sayin' non-dart-throwin' flag-hatin' propaganda-spewin' pinko scumbag!

Peace!

:evilgrin:

[WilliamPitt]

37. Glad you made it home

fucker.

:)

[DS1]

46. Likewise

indeed

[WilliamPitt]

50. I was walking

Easy enough. :)

[leftofthedial]

29. you have a witness brother!

To quote one of my famous relatives, "that's what I like about the South."

[greatauntoftriplets]

42. I am a Northerner from my roots, over which I have no control.

Can't help where my parents, grandparents, great-grandparents, etc. ( or I ) was born.

But think Southerners are great. To my Southern friends here. :loveya:

[Starpass]

44. Ahhhhh, Boston ain't bad either in the "Patriot Dept"---you live there

In a word----this is what is grandly fucking wrong with America. We still are residing in High School, so to speak, in this nation. You know, the people who are born, live and die in one community and are sure their former high school is the the center of the intellectual, social, religious and "kick butt" universe. If this nation doesn't stop this assine "regional" shit (hell, there are people from all over residing in every state these days)we will be playing this stupid game of chest thumping and accusations which is a lovely diversion for the scum (and they come from many states) who wish to destroy this nation, it's democracy and it's people. We should be looking at presidential races, for example, on the basis of what a candidate offers and if they can win instead of this garbage of whether they were swaddled in the Dixie Battle Flag or the New York Irish Brigade!!! Live in the past and die. I wish to hell we could dissolve states and just be the "people of the US of A" (under attack by corporate greed). Then maybe we could actually ban together and do something.

[RapidCreek]

45. So how's things in Boston Will?

RC

[WilliamPitt]

49. Nicely southern

How's by you?

[billbuckhead]

58. The Max Cleland-Saxby Chambliss election was despicable.

I saw them. I saw them every Sunday, waving their god damned Confederate battle jacks over the freeway overpasses going out into the country. I thought to myself, "They can never bring that flag back". I misunderestimated. Not only did they vote to bring the flag back, they threw out a moderate war hero. Hell, they turned into a bigger threat to democratic ideals than the Taliban. But on the good side, the RepuKKes used these pro-confedrate flag people like a Kleenex. Maybe they'll finally get the message.

[DemBones DemBones]

113. Yes, it was, but it probably had more to do with Black Box Voting

and "Rob Georgia" than it did with the Confederate flag.

[Iverson]

51. Flannery O'Connor

Eudora Welty also deserves a mention.

[wherewingstakedream]

53. How about

Medgar Evers ,Richard Wright ,Tennessee Williams,Eudora Welty,Andrew Young, Mohamed Ali, John Lewis ,William Winter,Dale Bumpers William Fulbright, Sam Ervin,Hugo Black, Fannie Lou Hamer, Aaron Henry,Woody Guthrie,Alex Haley,Barbara Jordan,Jim Hightower,Molly Ivins,Fred Harris,David Pryor,Jim Sasser,Stephen Stills,Sheila Jackson-Lee and Alice Walker just to name a few---from A Mississippi boy---wherewingstakedream

[WilliamPitt]

55. Amen n/t

[wherewingstakedream]

70. Glad to oblige Will

Anytime. Thanks for starting this thread. ;)

[QC]

63. Oh yes, Hugo Black of Clay County, Alabama

"The press was protected so that it could bare the secrets of government and inform the people. Only a free and unrestrained press can effectively expose deception in government. And paramount among the responsibilities of a free press is the duty to prevent any part of the government from deceiving the people and sending them off to distant lands to die of foreign fevers and foreign shot and shell. In my view, far from deserving condemnation for their courageous reporting, the New York Times, the Washington Post, and other newspapers should be commended for serving the purpose that the Founding Fathers saw so clearly. In revealing the workings of government that led to the Vietnam war, the newspapers nobly did precisely that which the Founders hoped and trusted they would do."

[nothingshocksmeanymore]

56. Seems to me most of what ails us is in DC

at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

[kayell]

57. Thank you

and don't forget the Smokies, The Carolina Peace Resource Center, shrimp and grits, peaches, the Indigo Girls, gullah, Hank Aaron, Louis Armstrong, Barbara Jordon, Asheville, Charlottesville, Charleston, many of our founding fathers, po'boys, fried green tomatoes, zydeco, magnolias, tough southern women, the shag, lovely short winters, politeness, wonderful story tellers, and so on.....

[salmonhorse]

59. For me, Mississippi John Hurt address' all that is remained ~

http://www.mudcat.org/hurt.cfm

My Daddy from Arkansas so I got me a little handle on what y'all saying ~

[Warpy]

61. Look at Texas

Jim Hightower, Phil Ochs, Molly Ivins, Ann Richards....

Of course, that doesn't mean I'd like to live there, or that I don't wish most Texans would stay home.

I will say it again. Lefties from armpit states are the best. They've had to fight the hardest.

[QC]

67. Barbara Jordan, too!

[GOPBasher]

62. I hate all Southerners!!!

LOL I'm just kidding. Making broad generalizations about an entire region is something morons do. Actually, I know people that stupid -- they're called "Republicans." In all seriousness though, I do think that, from a political strategy point of view, we should write off some southern states in 2004. Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, South Carolina, North Carolina and Kentucky are not, IMO, winnable in 2004. This is just political strategy, not bashing people from a region.

[never cry wolf]

88. write off NOTHING!!!!

just means we have to work harder. now that i think of it i have cousins in mobile.

[LizW]

64. Will! I had no idea you had Alabama roots!

And north Alabama, to boot!:D

[WilliamPitt]

65. North and central

:)

Decatur, Birbingham and Montgomery.

Yeah, baby.

P.S.: My father is here. Dig the last names:

http://www.aladems.org/officers.asp

[LizW]

79. No freaking way!!

I've met your dad! Years ago my first job out of law school was with a firm in Montgomery. Alas, true love brought me back to Birmingham to get married.

I knew you came from good folks!:D

[WilliamPitt]

81. Way

That's my pop. :)

[yeti]

69. You rock, WP!

It's so creepy the way they love to hate what they don't understand.

[Karmadillo]

71. And Walker Percy and John Kennedy Toole and

Karmadillo!

[SiobhanClancy]

73. And Grace O'Brien..

My grandmother,from the beautiful town of Savannah,GA:)

[Jacobin]

78. Walker Percy

I remember when I read his first book. I ran out and bought all the others and holed up and read them all and was depressed when they were all gone....sigh.

[LEFTofLEFT]

76. GREENS AND CORNBREAD !!!! GREENS AND CORNBREAD !!!!!!!!

pot liquor - damn, MR. Pitt were you raised in a barn??????


oh yea -and PORK bbq

ROLL FUCKIN TIDE

[QC]

89. What kind of greens?

I like collards myself, cooked slow with a ham hock and a liberal helping of red pepper.

And no sugar in the cornbread, naturally.

[madfloridian]

91. But sugar in the collards, of course.

And I do put sugar in the cornbread....but no flour. That insults southern cornbread.

[Andy_Stephenson]

93. CornBread with sugar

:puke:


I love collards, Mustard and turnip greens....mmmmmmmmm

I am homesick fer moms cooking.

[LEFTofLEFT]

105. NO NO NO sugar in my bread - my pawpa taught me to eat turnip greens

but i like all greens and the pot liquor at the bottom :)

[Astarho]

80. You forgot Zydeco music

It seems unfortunately that the South falls into one of those catagories that it's OK to bash.

[Friar]

102. try being from California these days

Talk about getting bashed. Here we are, the world's 5th largest economy, one of the most innovative places on earth, both politically and technologically and thanks to DeLay and his puppets we're the laughing stock of the world! Aaargh, sucks to be us sometimes.

[Andy_Stephenson]

82. Let me add one more thig to your list

God_bush_n_cheney

[HalfManHalfBiscuit]

83. Boiled peanuts

And frogmore stew. I'm going back someday.

[Andy_Stephenson]

86. MMMMMMMMM

Boiled Peanuts!!!!!

[karlschneider]

95. Boiled peanuts. I had never heard of them before moving to FL in

1979...tried and loved them. There's a place on Hwy 301 just south of Jacksonville that cooks 'em up in a 500 gallon (or so) pot under a big tree. Those little green tree frogs drop into the cauldron and get stewed along with the legumes. I am not kidding. We used to stop there and buy a couple pounds and usually found one or more of the poor little parboiled critters in amongst the peanuts.

memories......
;-)

[Andy_Stephenson]

98. I cook em at home...

Not a big fan of boiled frog. :puke:

[Individualist]

85. Thank you, Will

:loveya: Couldn't have said it better myself! Incidentally, my niece (another northeast Tennessean) is a UA grad.

[SayitAintSo]

90. Darlin, I KNEW you had some southern boy in you when I heard you speak

on CSPAN.... I said to mah sef "that don't sound like any damn yankee to me!.... there's a southern gentleman in the wood pile there somewhere !"

Seriously ... when the southern boys down here finally come to terms with just how bad the republicans have screwed this fine country up, ( and they will, it's just a matter of time - bring it on * ) they will be a force unstopable in thier passion to right this wrong. It's what I love about Southern Men....

[OrdinaryTa]

97. Bush Won't Bother Campaigning in the South

Bush won the South with whopping margins in the 2000 election. He doesn't have to campaign at all in any Southern state to repeat the same sweep. His narrowest victory was in Tennessee where favorite son Al Gore managed to come within five percentage points. Next time out, Bush will probably triple that margin.

The South is solidly for Bush. As far as Southerners are concerned, he can do no wrong.

[Andy_Stephenson]

99. Want to bet?

I am from the South...he is an idiot, and everything he does is wrong.

[Q]

100. Pitt brings a new low to the DU boards...

...and shows us what tastelessness is all about.

- It's getting to the point where discussion of serious issues is a rare thing on this board.

[LEFTofLEFT]

107. where is that damn ignore button

some people are so stipid that i just got to ignore them

[WilliamPitt]

129. I've learned from the master,

Q.

[TacticalPeek]

110. Want another virtual bet?

Although confessing no reliable knowledge of the future, I am confident that by election day, aWol will be so covered in scandal and degradation that he will painfully rue the day he went along with the media creation thingy to steal the presidency. If Wesley Clark is his opponent, the chimp and kkkarl will be working their sorry ass off to try to salvage Texas and Florida, their only possibles in the former Confederacy.

There is even a slight chance that aWol will no longer be president by election day.

[Best_man23]

150. Tell that to the folks in South Carolina

Who work in the textile industry who will be soon joining the ranks of the unemployed. Don't think those folks will be voting for Dumbya.

[Don_G]

101. Want To Hear About My Grandfather...

...and Kernal Sanders?

I'll give you names, dates and details....

[TacticalPeek]

104. Even tho Starpass(44) is right, regional chauvanism is the "Pitts"...

nevertheless,I cannot resist boosting the creme de la creme.

Just from my small, po'est of all states:

William Faulkner
Tennessee Williams
Eudora Welty

Elvis
B. B. King
Leontyne Price

To list all our native, creative outputers would probably crash the server. Must be something in our barbecue.

[w4rma]

106. Virginian here, born in North Carolina (n/t)

[Section_43]

109. Thread of the week, Will

Thanks for mentioning Pigpen...

also,

Barry Hannah, Richard Ford, Larry Brown, Pat Conroy, Wendell Berry, etc.

[RevolutionStartsNow]

111. And don't forget Vic Chesnutt

'nuff said.

[Name removed]

112. Deleted message

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[desi826]

114. Though gratuitous bashing is uncalled for...

I say you are missing the point here Pitt.

It's not about what is great or not about the south.
Hell, my entire family hails from South Carolina.
It's that the South HELPS guys like Bush stay in power and that hurts the ENTIRE country.

If, in 2000, the south was smart enough to see through Bush, we would not be going through all the devastation that we are going through right now. This is why I don't get offended even though my family's home is there.

The amount of power that Bush is aquiring is now, downright frightening and there is nothing to stop him.

Not one thing.

Blacks are trying to fight this, but look how they are targetted because of it. It's like it's the 1950's and I see no sign of it changing anytime soon.

The South is helping him to stay in power and I am afraid for what he is going to do to this country. Yes, it brought us Clinton, but it also brought Bush close enough to steal the election in 2000.

Bush would be toast if the south would just reject him, but I'm willing to bet anyone on this board that they will not only NOT reject him, but will come out in record numbers to vote for him in 2004.
Maybe when we are stuck with JEB Bush in 2008, you'll start to understand.
Des

[Dover]

116. Bill Moyers, Molly Ivins, Llyod Dogget and Killer D's, Stevie Ray Vaughn

Mike Malloy, Willie Nelson, grits, bbq, chile, armadillos, the friendliest people and the prettiest women you ever did see....

my grampa and gramma (Alabama)....

[greekspeak]

140. Dover...don't forget some pretty sexy guys too

Nothing will give me goosebumps faster than a hot guy talkin' southern at me.

[Tennessee Gal]

117. Will, don't forget..................

The Smokey Mountains, the Blue Ridge Mountains, Myrtle Beach, Magnolia trees, Crepe Myrtles, Azaleas, James Carville, Dixie Carter, Annie Potts, Delta Burke, Gone With The Wind, and South Eastern Conference football!

GO VOLS!

[Tennessee Gal]

118. Help me remember a name

Who was the Southern homorist who wrote newspaper columns and books and died at an early age a few years ago? He was from Atlanta and was a die hard Georgia Bulldog fan. He also did a guest appearance on Designing Women as Julia and Suzanne's brother.

[supernova]

119. Louis Grizzard

Man, that guy was hilarious! Besides Dave Barry and Doonesbury, one of the reasons it was worth it to buy the paper!

I do miss him.

[pearl]

121. Janis Joplin

From my era, saw her around TX., loved her.
Peace Baby!

[Tennessee Gal]

125. Thank you! Check these quotes!

Lewis Grizzard was a true gem. His columns and books were hysterical.

Lewis Grizzard quotes:

"Life is like a dogsled team. If you ain't the lead dog, the scenery never changes."

"Instead of getting married again, I'm going to find a woman I don't like and just give her a house."

"The only way that I could figure they could improve upon Coca-Cola, one of life’s most delightful elixirs, which studies prove will heal the sick and occasionally raise the dead, is to put rum or bourbon in it."

"Why do service stations lock the bathroom door but leave the cash register unlocked?"

"There is something wrong when you wait in line thirty minutes to get a hamburger that was cooked for ninety seconds an hour ago."

"Kinky sex involves the use of duck feathers. Perverted sex involves the whole duck."

"The game of life is a lot like football. You have to tackle your problems, block your fears & score your points when you get the opportunity."

"It's difficult to think anything but pleasant thoughts while eating a homegrown tomato."

"There's nothing inherently dirty about sex, but if you try real hard and use your imagination you can overcome that."

"I am convinced there are people who don't have a mother. They include people who would burn the flag, pitch a fit about prayers at a football game...These people came into the world from under a rock."

"You call to a dog and a dog will break its neck to get to you. Dogs just want to please. Call to a cat and its attitude is, 'What's in it for me?'"




Book Titles:

Chili Dawgs Always Bark at Night

I Haven’t Understood Anything Since 1962 and Other Nekkid Truths

Don’t Bend Over In the Garden Granny, You Know Them Taters Got Eyes

Lewis Grizzard on the South.....Southern By the Grace of God

If I Ever Get Back to Georgia, I’m Gonna Nail My Feet to the Ground

Don't Sit Under the Grits Tree With Anyone Else But Me

[Brian Sweat]

144. Grizzard was an unreconstructed confederate.

[Raven]

122. In 1968

I drove across the Tenn. River for the first time with your dad. We had come down from Boston via Washington DC. What I still remember is how clean and blue the water of that river was! Coming from Boston where the Charles stank and you had to get a shot if you fell in...and from Washington where the Potomac was brown and there were "Do not eat this fish" signs all along its banks... I was amazed. People in glass houses...enough said about South bashers!

[salmonhorse]

124. All this and still no Doc Watson...

Umph...some Southerners y'all turn't t'be ~

[slackmaster]

126. Calabash style food, oysters, and moon pies!

[Blue-Jay]

127. Oh, fer the luvva Mike.

OK, maybe my hangover is making me cranky, but are we still going on about what is essentially a non-issue? Yes, I've seen a small bit of "bashing" of our southern brothers and sisters, but nothing to warrant the degree of apparent discord that it's caused over the past few days.

For the record, I'm every bit as tired of the stereotyping of Southerners as being redneck, undereducated, gun-toting, mullet-wearing, toothless, Republican-voting sheep as I am the visceral over-reaction of a few Southerners to what they perceive as a blanketed insult from all who live north of the Ohio River. (sorry for the run-on...) I mean, c'mon, what century are we living in? Haven't we progressed at all? Call me an optimist, but I'd like to think we have. Stop proving me wrong.

I was recently attracted to this board because of it's progressive messages and quality people, and because of the amount of information that I'm able to obtain which, unfortunately, gets passed over by the national media. These petty flamewars over regional biases (among other petty flamewars) are indicative of the problems that our Democratic party currently faces. No unified vision; no common goal to bring us together. That's why we're here, right? RIGHT?!?

To our few bashers of the South: Stop it. You're doing a disservice to yourself and showing your lack of not only perspective, but also common decency.

To our Southern family members: Stop taking the bait, and please grow a thicker skin. The majority of us don't buy into stereotypes. We don't "look down" at you. And stop calling me a "yankee". I went to undergraduate school in southern Kentucky, and was never once called a "yankee" without a certain degree of disdain, and even disgust.

Why are we here? ("here" meaning DU) Silly me thought that we came here to promote a progressive agenda, and to have a place for a free exchange of thought. Maybe I'm wrong, but I hope I'm not. We share a common goal, but these regional dick-waving contests undermine that. If someone can tell me what purpose it serves, I'd appreciate it, because I certainly can't see it's usefulness.

I'm sorry to rattle on for so long, but our petty divisiveness is the root of our inability to forward our agenda. It's time to unite. Most of you realize that, but the few that don't are contributing to the cause of our current problems.

So, stop it.

(Goddamn it, I wish I had the option of "ignoring" whole subjects....)

/end rant

[GreenInNC]

128. BBQ and sermons

Where else but in the south - The rector at my church used the different types of BBQ as an analogy of the different ways that denominations serve communion.

[spanone]

130. Not to mention Jack Daniels

Go Will !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[aquart]

131. We're either one country or we're not.

I favor being one nation.

We have the most fabulous differences.

We come from so many places with so many traditions and we've parked ourselves in regions violently gloriously different from each other BUT American.

It is a strange form of transubstantiation that makes my immigrant history also the history of those men in Philadelphia writing that amazing document in that hot summer. It comes with the citizenship. It is all ours.

The sod houses on the prairie. The gold rush. The railroad track laying that exploited two wildly different groups of hardworking yet despised immigrants. The food, the amazing food in every corner of this country. The Scandinavians and all that white stuff. The Germans and their sauerkraut and hamburgers and hot dogs. Eastern European Jews with bagels and lox and gefulte fish and knishes. Pizza! Egg rolls! Sushi! Pralines!

All ours. All our history. The range wars and the Civil War and the labor riots where we killed each other. All us. All ours.

As ugly as the secrets and sins that crawl out from under our rocks are our beauties. We have so many heroes who stood alone until the rest of us looked up and saw someone standing and stood too. They suffered so much for us and we all reaped the benefits. All ours. The vote. The shorter work week. Employee benefits.

And then there are the heroes who sat down. We recently mourned Gregory Hines because we all knew him and had the pleasure of his talent. It wouldn't have happened if Rosa Parks hadn't insisted on her right to sit down. It wouldn't have happened if Martin Luther King, Jr. and so many others hadn't followed her example. All ours.

The courageous and the cowards. All ours.

Now we have the Texas Dems and I sit in New York so proud of them I could burst. They're mine.

They're Americans. And I have the privilege of being able to say that, too.

[underpants]

132. HELL YEAH!

As my stepfather (a native Virginian) says "It (the US) is really just Virginia we just let others run some parts"

[SmileyBoy]

136. Don't forget Bear Bryant.

(He's an Okie, so I'm counting him)

He was the first athletics coach of a public university in the south to integrate his (football) team. He saw that a lot of the black athletes that he was scouting were better athletically than a lot of his white players, and took advantage of it to create a championship-calibre football team.

[LynneSin]

137. You almost had me until you said GRITS

Probably the one bitch I would ever have about the south - those things just suck!

Ok, well Ramsey made some good grits when she had some of us DUers there for breakfast, but she actually put something in them other than well grits!

[Aristus]

138. Not to mention, me, my sister, my father, my mother

both sets of grandparents, and all of my ancestors going back to before the Civil War. Southern born and bred. But we got out alive!

[Skittles]

139. OKRA

:puke:

[joshcryer]

154. Fried breaded okra! :D

:D

MMmmm.

[HereSince1628]

141. Ah, Will, jes which Fitzgerald is that yer cussin' 'bout?

F.Scott was born in Minnesota, educated at Princeton.

At what point do what reject there birthplace? Cause there are some others of those southerners who could be claimed by other places..."Mark Twain" for example, he seems to have been a border stater, a Californian and a Yankee. And perhaps that is the real point of interest, many Americans have been educated, worked, retired, in multiple geographic parts of the country.

[Brian Sweat]

145. Here are a few more

George Washington
Thomas Jefferson
Thomas Pain
Patrick Henry
Alvin York
Audie Murphy
George Washington Carver
Booker T. Washington
Davy Crockett
Tom Petty
Jim Morrison
Jimmy Buffet
Helen Keller
Pearl Buck
Joanne Woodward

[MasonJar]

148. Southern winners

You forgot Kentucky bourbon, thoroughbred race horses, Robert E Lee, Abraham Lincoln, Henry Clay, Jefferson Davis, Daniel Boone, bluegrass, saddlebred horses, Churchill Downs, Madison, Monroe, Jefferson, Smoky Mts., basketball, etc

[nomatrix]

149. A riddle wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma

You are Will Pitt! (quote by Winston Churchill)

Just when I figure you got some Paul Revere, dam yankee stuborn defiance running through your veins, I hear you got sweet tea (you forgot the best sweet tea) cooling you down.

The Bible belt. Lived in Alabama, Georgia, Texas, Virginia. When I hear Fallwell crooning about the founding fathers and the constitution, I want to kick the set. If they wanted the 10 commandments in court houses they would have written it into the Constitution.

I believe these neocons think they are the 1st Christians ever. Send in the lions.

[jfkennedy]

151. ?

I don't listen to blues, jazz. I basically like to eat vegetables. I think Clinton is a Republican Democrat sellout. Gore campaigned on being a Republican Democrat but all knew that he would be a liberal that’s why he was voted in as president by the people for the people.

Gore is about the best thing the south ever produced on your list.

It was a court from the South called the Supreme Court that stole the election for some southerners that want to govern the country by prejudice and bigotry.

Elvis I don't even watch on TV.

And who in the hell reads Twain?

And civil rights and MLK came from Northern liberals, and Unions.

[WilliamPitt]

155. "And who in the hell reads Twain?"

My students. Smart people. The usual crowd.

:eyes:

[David Zephyr]

157. Twain Was From In BeTwain the North & South and East & West

Gotta love the Twain Man.

You should take your students on a field trip to Hartford to visit the home of Twain and also Harriett Beecher Stowe, his next door neighbor.

I am Southern by birth, but Californian by choice...over 30 years now.

[Iluvleiberman]

152. Sweet post. I live in the South. n/t

[MiddleRiverRefugee]

156. Joe Osborn. Tommy Cogbill. Berry Oakley. David Hood.

Bill Black. Jerry Scheff. The list goes on + on.

You don't know 'em but you've dam well heard 'em unless you're deef.