vicente fox threatens america if we harass illegals

[thebigmansentme]

The government of Mexico will not permit violations of the human and labor rights of Mexicans living in the United States, said Mexican President Vicente Fox Quesada, stressing that, "we will stand beside every Mexican woman and man in this country, we will defend them against the raids being carried out in the state of California." He reaffirmed his commitment to continue to support the Mexicans and Mexican Americans who live and work with dignity and productivity, because they, he said, make a great contribution to the United States economy. "They are loyal, and respectful of this society and this country that has received them."

http://www.presidencia.gob.mx/

i say we take israelis example and build a wall on the border. then give all 10 millions illegals here work permits. then we institute criminal penalties for companies who hire illegally and see who will still want to hire them when they have to pay them minimum wage, not slave wage. that pretty much will put all 10 million of them out of work. then we can deport all those that get in trouble with the law. and if senor vicente wants to roll his 'armored divisions' across the border...

the second biggest income in mexican economy is the money illegal immigrants send back to mexico. the third is the money usa sends directly to mexico. it's like an albatros around our neck. isn't albatros a bird?

word of caution though. since our agriculture and construction has been built on slave (mexican) labor now, be prepared to pay three times as much for groceries and landscaping if we actually do anything about illegal immigrants, and that's why no sissy politicians will touch this issue.

[MikeG]

1. "If you are the police, then where are your badges?"

[trogdor]

63. We don't need no steenking badges!

[Booster]

2. I agree....

Hell, we can lick Mexico....can't we?

[radwriter0555]

67. I totally disagree. Mexicans are AMERICANS. They're the natives to this

continent. Just because european colonials erected borders doesn't mean we have the right to prevent the natural land migrations that have been taking place for centuries.

Why NOT let them work and live here? Let them sign up for work papers, driver's licences etc, just like other countries do in europe when people cross borders there.

It's not that big a deal. We have plenty of jobs, land, homes and opportunities. This WHOLE endeavor is based in greed and racism.

[Doug Decker]

3. Definitely, since that wall thing...

worked so well for Berlin and Israel.

[thebigmansentme]

4. ...

i think about 80 percent of mexicans now consier southwest usa as part of greater mexico.

there is also a lawsuit pending against using a term "illegal immigrant" since they consider it deragatory. i believe they want to be called 'undocumented workers'

i think that's an excellent idea. except i would change it to 'walmart americans'

p.s. the wall worked well for soviets for 40 years. it's purpose was to keep people in, not out, but still, it actually did what it was supposed to do.......

[shraby]

When I was a kid,

harvesting crops was one of the ways we earned money during the summer, then Mexicans started to do the job and this was in Michigan. I was a kid in the 1950s.

[Cleita]

11. I used to pick berries and grapes with the braceros back

in the fifties in So. Ca. It was a summer job for me and my friends. For the Mexicans it was survival.

[GiovanniC]

8. You Know Who Could Probably Build That Wall

On time and under budget?

The idea of this wall you speak of sickens me. I guess we should all just be happy that we waited to build this wall until after OUR ancestors made it into the country, hmm?

[Booster]

13. Well, certainly not...

Halliburton.

[GiovanniC]

17. Oh, I Forgot the Punchline to That Little Joke.

What I meant to say was:

You know who could probably build that wall on time and under budget?

The Jews.

I'm sorry, I mean, the Mexicans. Those 'ferriners, always takin' Merkin jobs, even building a wall to keep themselves out.

[Doug Decker]

18. I'd be interested to know where you got the basis...

for the idea that "80 percent of mexicans now consier southwest usa as part of greater mexico". Did you read that somewhere?

Thanks.

[Val]

51. It's Called Aztlan.

Here in Texas we're all VERY familiar with the concept. Google Aztlan as well as MEChA for all the answers as to the way many Mexicans feel about the S.W. US.


I'm never more frightened than when I walk through town, or on campus, and am "observed" by "undocumented workers".



My mom was just laid off (one of 150+) after almost 20 years with the same business. It was acquired by a Mexican family. She was rewarded for her hard work and loyalty with a slashed severance package.



I'd like to leave Texas...and not because of *.



Found the courage to post and not just lurk!



oops. Had the bracket thingies around my last line above.

[Jake_DeLeon]

52. Why settle for the Southwest when we can have the whole country...

boooooohohooo, we are the evil boogymen we are going to chase you out of US and make you run for the Canadian border.

Just like whites ran away from blacks back in the day now you too can run away from us. :eyes:

[Val]

54. Your obviously a guy...

that can't understand being "visually" raped.

And maybe your a member of MEChA. Tell me your views on Aztlan, and I'll tell you about the signs I saw in LA directed at Anglos.

[bitchkitty]

57. oh, PUHLEEZE

"I'm never more frightened than when I walk through town, or on campus, and am "observed" by "undocumented workers"."

You have got to be kidding me.

[Val]

62. Not at all...

And I'm getting tired of it. Does it happen to you daily? I'm told I'm attractive. Do I have to wear a robe? If these jerks pulled that crap in an office, they would be fired for sexual harassment.


I thought I might find an understanding audience here, bitchkitty. I guess not.

[bitchkitty]

75. I have an Hispanic surname -

why in the world would I sympathize with a racist point of view like that?

In the South, in the not too distant past, a black man could get hanged for even looking at a white woman. I see here the same attitude, different face - some things never change.

[neuvocat]

76. You don't have anything to back that up.

Care to tell us what sort of "harassing" language you see directed against white people up there?

[Booster]

5. I read that illegals send...

8 billion (with a B) back to their families from the US. If they are working for minimum wage or below and still have to pay for stuff here, that's a Hell of a lot more people than they told us were here. I think they said there were like 13 million - damn, they make pretty good money I'd say.

[Cleita]

21. Wow, can you post some references?

You know statistics, studies, things like that? I mean do you have have source documents to come up with figures like that, tax statements, payroll receipts, money transfers from banks? Exactly where do you get these claims from?

[AgadorSparticus]

40. i've met people who send most of their monies back home to their families

that sometimes includes extended families. hell, i've even worked with filipino nurses on work visas that do that.

[Bandit]

71. Let's see 13 million people send 8 billion dollars home

that is about $600 a year per person. Yep big money no doubt.

[Cleita]

6. Which one of you is Pat Buchanan?

Now this is a war we should have started. We have a problem with our next door neighbor, a corrupt government, who can't pass laws to help their poorest citizens. It's time to lean on the Mexican patricians and let them know that if they don't start taking care of their poor, with decent social programs, health care, good wages, education etc., we will invade them.

After all we need slaves too, in our restaurants, as nannies, as gardeners.

[Jim Sagle]

7. USA to Fox: "Shut yer fuckin' mouth!"

[Cleita]

9. Excuse me, but when did I wander into the Free Republic?

eom

[GiovanniC]

10. I Was Thinking The EXACT Same Thing

n/t

[thebigmansentme]

12. Excuse me, but when did I wander into the Free Republic?

you are not bothered by the fact that we are trying to build our economy on slave labor once again, just like we did with blacks? fine, screw the wall, but as i said it would be pretty hilarious if we actually passed a low that would require companies pay mexicans legal wage or face criminal penalties. result - 10 million unemployed mexicans and groceries that cost three times as much at the stores. hee hee hee

[Cleita]

14. Oh, is that what you were saying. I thought you were saying

that we should shoot them or something like that? It sure sounded that way to me that way to me. I think they should get decent wages either here or in Mexico. You just want to keep them out though. Isn't that what you are sayingz? I really am hoping I'm wrong again.

[katusha]

16. we have this law already

it's the minimim wage law. it covers everybody working in the US and there are substantial penalties for hiring illegals already in place.

[Booster]

20. But, alas,

it's not enforced and rich people would pitch a fit if it were - they are the people who are hiring for under minimum wage.

[bitchkitty]

56. I'm bothered by the fact that

DU seems to have been invaded by the White Rights crowd.

[Djinn]

26. you didn't

they seem to have migrated here - p'raps it's DU that could use a wall.

To the original poster - How 'bout lobbying your government to do something about teh criminals in the WTO who insist on a "free market" which actually means protectionism for the first world and open slather on wages and conditions in the third world?

[foreigncorrespondent]

53. Thank YOU, Cleita...

...I was sitting here with a gaped mouth! I cannot believe this is a Democratic board, when I read crap like this.

[Cleita]

68. These are not Democrats.

I don't know why the mods haven't locked this thread yet. It's racist and offensive.

[foreigncorrespondent]

73. I agree. (n/t)

[MikeG]

15. Si senor, I mean you no harm, why don't you try to be a little more polite

[thebigmansentme]

19. shoot them?

you mean like with tranquilizer guns? sure, why not. also keep in mind that over 20% of people who come here through mexican border are not latinos, they just use it as a way to get in.

yes, of course i want to keep them out. why, you think we should abolish mexican border? or all borders? if you don't believe in borders then i guess that's, like, your opinion, dude

p.s. ok, i guess i meant if we actually enforced those laws, that's what would happen. nobody is going to hire them if they can't treat them like slaves. so enforcing minimum wage laws would actually be bad for illegal immigrants because that would put most of them out of work. so i say let's enforce them and see what happens.

[tkmorris]

22. Shoot them with tranks?

You are a very strange individual, you are.

I remember this scene in "The Twilight Zone", the movie that is, where this guy is mouthing off in a restaurant about the blacks etc stealing his job. He's just going on and on about the pitiful wages they work for and how regular Americans like him are getting the shaft. Of course then he goes out into the street to find that he's suddenly in Germany during WWII and get this: He's a Jew! Man, aint that a hoot? The Nazis hunt him for a bit then he warps to Vietnam during the war but he gets to be a North Vietnamese this time. A Black in the Deep South circa 1960. And so on like that. Man that was a great movie.

What were we talking about again?

[thebigmansentme]

24. allegory is deeply flawed

unless jews were trying to get into germany en masse and germans were shooting them at the border ?... with tranquilizers that is...

you are the strange individual here. let me ask you again - you don't believe in national borders?

[tkmorris]

29. Yeah I know it's flawed

Your lack of empathy for your fellow man though just reminded me of it.

Also, since the previous post of mine was my first in this thread you haven't asked me anything yet, so can hardly do so "again". Unless of course you are viewing all of DU as a collective that you consider yourself to be outside of.

To answer your question, yes, I do believe in national borders. I just happen to think there are far better answers to enforcing them than the ones you are proposing. But hey, you go ahead and open fire if that's your thing "dude".

Pull!

[CHIMO]

23. Also

There is Revenge of the Cradle

[bitchkitty]

58. Interesting little "factoid"

"over 20% of people who come here through mexican border are not latinos, they just use it as a way to get in."

How did you arrive at this figure?

[Cleita]

69. Probably got it from Rush Limbaugh.

eom

[Bandit]

72. There was a time when one of our strongest points was our open borders

We are the only country in the world with such open borders and it has been considered one of our greatest strengths. In this new Bush* Amerika all good things must change. I got a great idea let's hate fur'o'ners. All our problems must be their fault. Amerika is greatest country ever cause we hate more than most.

[CPops57]

25. Do you know that Mexico has built a wall on its Southern border....

....and has stationed troops down South to keep poor Guatemalans out of Mexico?

Tell Vincente Fox to shut his hypocritical pie hole. If immigration is so good, ask Fox why he doesn't like immigrants himself?

[thebigmansentme]

27. i say, i say to Fox

BRING IT ON !!! BRING IT ON !!!

he's going to defend 'his' people. give me a break, lol

armored division...

[Booster]

28. That's so they can't get to America and

take the jobs from Mexicans who send 8 BILLION DOLLARS back to Mexico so he can still get his pay check. Fox is a sly one; he's figured out to support his entire country on our backs and he has the nerve to threaten us - WHERE'S THE OUTRAGE that was vented over Clinton's blow job. People in this country sure have strange priorities.

[Cleita]

34. If Mexicans had eight billion dollars to send back to Mexico,

you can be sure BushCo would have figured out a way to get their hands on it. There is no way our home grown crooks would let money like that leave this country before they could get their hands on it and give contracts to all their buddies.

[dumpster_baby]

64. neoliberals make FAR more than $8B in profits from cheap immigrant labor

The neoliberals & their puppet Bushco get increased profits from flooding the labor market with cheap and desparate 3rd world immigrant labor, and thus driving down wages. Remember that old "law of supply and demand" thing?

It adds up to MUCH more than $8 billion, silly rabbit.

[Cleita]

78. Neo-liberals support BushCo?

Who are they? Never heard of them before and if they were actually liberal they wouldn't be happy about slave labor.

[neebob]

30. Why not just nuke Mexico

so there won't be any place to send all this money back to? Which big man sent you, anyway?

[CPops57]

31. Mexico does have a lot of oil right?

;)

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[GiovanniC]

33. And Just How Big IS JimRob, Anyway?

Oops, did I type that out loud?

[Cleita]

35. hahaha, you did!

[bitchkitty]

59. hahaha! Oops! n/t

[GarySeven]

36. Remember the movie "Mad Max"

when a Mexican general invaded San Antonio and seized back the Alamo?

I think we could take 'em, but I suppose that's not the point. Personally, when walls are concerned I'm on the side of Robert Frost.

[GiovanniC]

37. Robert Frost:

"Before I built a wall I'd ask to know
What I was walling in or walling out,
And to whom I was like to give offense.
Something there is that doesn't love a wall,
That wants it down.'"

[Jake_DeLeon]

38. I agree with Vicente Fox...

I dont see anything wrong with what he said.

Also how can you compare what we have going on here to what is going on Israel.

When is the last time any Mexicans blew up a bus full of civillians. :eyes:

Are you afraid of the Mexican take over? :eyes:

[AgadorSparticus]

39. vicente fox needs to get his head out of his ass. he is such a

disappointment. he's another bait and switcher. campaigned on "new" government yada yada yada and has done as much for his people as salinas has--nada. maybe he should take a time out of lining his pockets and helping HIS own countrymen instead of making it his neighbor's responsibility. Quite frankly, if they were treated THAT badly, they wouldn't be risking their lives daily to come over and work. However bad it is here, it is still better than in Mexico. And what does that say about Fox?

[DWolper]

41. here here

"maybe he should take a time out of lining his pockets and helping HIS own countrymen instead of making it his neighbor's responsibility."

Priceless. There is a lot of truth in what you say.

[AgadorSparticus]

43. thanks and welcome to DU DWolper!

:hi:

[AgadorSparticus]

42. no wall. that's silly. but i do have a problem with giving work visas

to illegal immigrants. before i get tombstoned, let me explain why. if we are going to give work visas to laboring jobs, we need to do it fairly. there are plenty of people around the world that would give their right arm to come to this country to work in the fields or whatever jobs we don't want to do. mexico, albeit our neighbor, should not get special preference over citizens of developing countries like sudan, nigeria, guatemala, vietnam, or cambodia just because of sheer proximity. ok. go ahead. flame away.

[Jake_DeLeon]

44. Why shouldnt Mexico get special preference?

As you said, they are our neighbor. Part of this country was made out of part of what used to be Mexico. We will have to live with Mexico as our neighbor if we decide to work with them or if we dont.

So why wouldnt we give them some preferencial treatment over say Sudan.

Are you saying that travel and migration between the US and Mexico should be made to be as difficult as it is between the US and Sudan?

[AgadorSparticus]

46. because Mexicans are not any more special than Sudanese.

"Are you saying that travel and migration between the US and Mexico should be made to be as difficult as it is between the US and Sudan?"

NO. I said work visas should be given out fairly. I never brought up restrictions on travel. There is a big difference between coming here for a day and living/working here permanently or semi-permanently. Coming here to work is a lifeline. And a Mexican impoverished life is no more important than a Sudanese impoverished life.

How would you feel if I told you I thought Vietnamese people should have preference over Mexicans?

I cannot believe you would advocate discrimination.

You assume that the US OWES Mexico something. We don't.

[Jake_DeLeon]

47. I disagree.

Not that Mexicans are "more special" than the Sudanese.

However the US definately has a "special" relationship with Mexico considering our geography and our history.

"How would you feel if I told you I thought Vietnamese people should have preference over Mexicans?"

You would have the right to argue that, but I will disagree with you.

Lets put it this way, lets say you have a family member that needs some help and lets say a stranger needs some help. For whatever reason you can only help one or the other. Which one would you help?

In my opinion you have to help those that are closer to you.

[AgadorSparticus]

48. "special" relationship?? please define this.

Why would geography be an argument for special treatment?

Also, I do not see your analogy of mexico as family member and other countries as strangers. Please explain.

[Jake_DeLeon]

50. Actually

I think I heard the "special relationship" thing in regards to the UK on the news a while back. I just thought I would steal it and claim we have a special relationship with Mexico. :P

If we have a special relationship with the UK we certainly should have one with Mexico.

"Why would geography be an argument for special treatment?"

Why wouldnt it?

I guess there are alot of factors in how nations treat each other. I guess there are plenty of nations that hate thier neighbors. NK/SK Israel and whatever, but in general I think its good to work with your neighbors in peace.

As I said before the geography and the history of our countries binds us. Hispanics are the largest minority in the US, and someday we wont even be a minority.

While I dont have any friends or family in Mexico alot of people do, and I dont see any problem with free travel and migration between our nations.

This is pretty much the case with Canada already, I dont see why it should be any different with Mexico.

[datasuspect]

77. in all truthfulness

much discussion regarding the mexico issue is thinly veiled "code speak" for closet racists.

there has always been illegal immigration but when those "brown people" start coming in, better start raising some banners (or walls).

just more racist puke.

HORDES of irish, italians, and other european ethnics flooded the US in the late 19th early 20th centuries. they too were maligned by nativist americans. now their heritage isn't questioned or suspect.

nontheless, european ethnic immigrants didn't largely have the taint of being "brown." while they couldn't necessarily become blue blood eastern establishment WASPs once they came off their respective boats, there were avenues of cultural advancement open to them not necessarily available available to blacks, latinos, or asians.

Irish: police; politics; commerce.

Italians: commerce; organized crime; union jobs.

like i said, pure fear of the philosophical "other."

[theoceansnerves]

45. hey it's bill o'reilly!

i didn't know you posted on du!

[NuttyFluffers]

49. just enforce the laws and penalize the corps instead.

penalizing desperate people is a waste of time and effort. punish the corporations making buckets of money off of this cheap labor. when the corporations start finding that hiring like this is more costly then the jobs will disappear and the opportunity, and thus the reason for illegal immigration, will disappear.

but this can be filed under "Fat Chance" in this government administration.

[SoCalDem]

55. I am getting weary of Vicente...

It seems to me that ole Vicente should start taking some positive actions to enable HIS people to work in their own country..

If they cannot make a living there, and they come here, HE should shut his trap.. Once "your people" leave, they are no longer "your" people...

[ShaneGR]

60. Hmmmm....

Ouch...... not sure I like your idea. You want to build a wall along our borders? Sounds suspiciously like old-style extreme paleoconservatism. Pat Buchanon? Is that you?

[0007]

61. South Park had the right answer to alien immigrant coming

and taking our jobs.

[Cleita]

74. Taking our jobs. Did some Mexican national take your busboy job from you?

eom

[Aidoneus]

79. getting naked and making a big man-pile?

I don't think that's going to work here..

[Bridget Burke]

65. Good for Vicente.

(An oldish cartoon but La Cucaracha is always good.)

[Loonman]

66. Vicente Fox should fix his fucking country

Instead of dumping all his problems on the US.

[Cleita]

70. For once, Pat Buchanan had an idea our leaders should think of.

He once stated that if we raised minimum wage to $12 and hour, then it would make those jobs illegal immigrants take more attractive to Americans. I would also add NHC to that. Also, Fox should be pressured into making his country do the right thing by instituting social and labor laws that will make jobs attractive to his citizens and then they will stay home.