Cheney on NBC just said Zarqawi ran Kurd plant "out of Baghdad!"

[buycitgo]

oh, did he now? what the hell does "out of Baghdad" mean?

he said that to Gloria Borger, who apparently has an interview with the vice liar coming up.

I'll BET anything she didn't ask him to explain how he ran that chemical plant "out of Baghdad" if said plant was in Kurdistan, which was PROTECTED from Saddam ever since the no fly zones were established in the early 90s.

and he casually mentioned Ansar Islam (sic) right BEFORE alQaeda, clearly in order to link them, while failing to say who they were, or that Zarqawi was affiliated with THEM, and not alQaeda!

think she asked him about that? think she knows the difference?

think she knows they were AT ODDS with each other, much like Saddam and Osama?

think she asked him about any of THAT?

think Cheney would agree to an interview in which any sorts of questions like those would BE asked?

Cheney also mentioned something Zarqawi did "out of Baghdad"--the city itself--but I just flipped over to it and missed that part

anybody see this?

this interview needs to be picked apart.

I wonder if it's coming up at 7PM on her CNBC show

[htuttle]

1. La-la-la-la-la-la-la-la......

Liiiiiaaaaar!

[buycitgo]

2. really........this is stunning stuff

the media, so far, seems to be doing NOTHING to set the record straight: they just repeat Bush's and Cheney's statements, WITHOUT comment, other than that the 911 commission says that AQ had nothing to do with Saddam/911. that, of course, is irrelevant to their lies.

do they think we're that STUPID, that we don't see how they're failing to address the substance of the AQ lies: they've already admitted there's no 911 connection, but NOW they're doing the same thing, conflating Saddam, terror/AlQaeda; moving the goalposts back a little farther, trying to justify going after Saddam.

really amazing tapdance going on here, of course abetted by the media

they REFUSE to deal with it

[htuttle]

4. No one really questions Cheney, Cheney doesn't answer questions

He just sprays out lies like beaut spreads manure:



I just hope that there's at least a spark of intelligence out there among US voters, and that a lot of people have noticed this crap, no matter whether the news is actually discussing it.

Hopefully, it's been the topic of enough discussions among friends, co-workers, and families that people are paying a bit more attention to what they are being told about it, and that The Message™ contradicts itself from day to day, week to week.

[LittleApple81]

8. People: Randi Rhodes has gone LIHOP... with reason. If you missed her

program, catch it on repeat. They also run it later on KPOJ/620. It is an excellent program. She has done the best analysis I have heard on the radio so far.

I get my link to this station from this page:
http://www.geocities.com/nomad559/AirAmerica.html

[gasperc]

16. so where is all the WMD in Kurdistan, Mr VP

enquiring minds want to know.

[buycitgo]

3. this took ten seconds to find

In his Feb. 5 presentation to the United Nations, Secretary of State Colin Powell repeated the assertion that Saddam Hussein has connections to the terror group al Qaeda. Despite the rhetoric, writes PNS contributor William O. Beeman, no hard evidence has been revealed. The Bush administration wants above all to prove a connection between the al Qaeda terrorist network and Saddam Hussein. Secretary of State Colin Powell tried to do just that in his argument before the United Nations on Feb. 5. Despite his claim that his words were based on "solid sources," Powell's argument was specious and based on deceptive rhetoric.

Powell stated, "Iraq today harbors a deadly terrorist network headed by Abu Mussab al-Zarqawi, a collaborator of Osama bin Laden and his al Qaeda lieutenants." He further claimed, "When our coalition ousted the Taliban, the Zarqawi network helped establish another poison and explosive training center camp. And this camp is located in northeastern Iraq."

Proving the link between al-Zarqawi and the Iraqi regime has thus far been impossible for the American intelligence community, as reported widely in the U.S. and foreign press. Al-Zarqawi, a Jordanian of Palestinian descent, is a shadowy figure who has recently been associated with the assassination last October of Laurence Foley, an American diplomatic officer in Jordan.

Al-Zarqawi is likely associated with al Qaeda.
this doesn't belong where he put it, btw.......should be farther down

He did visit Iraq, but only to be hospitalized in Baghdad for wounds suffered in Afghanistan in the fighting after Sept. 11, 2001, when thousands lost their lives on U.S. soil during attacks on the World Trade Center and Washington, D.C. But thus far, no information has been revealed that would show that al-Zarqawi ever met with Iraqi officials.

The idea that al-Zarqawi runs a "terrorist network" of his own or that he is the No. 3 figure in al Qaeda is hyperbole. There is no information available that shows that he is anything other than a foot soldier in connection with known al Qaeda operatives. The administration hypothesis is essentially "proof by proximity." They claim that al-Zarqawi had a group with whom he was operating, and that group could not be functioning in Baghdad without the complicity of Saddam Hussein's government.

http://www.brown.edu/Departments/Anthropology/publications/General_Powell.htm

he goes on to explain that Ansar al Islam, the group he may have been working with, is OPPOSED to Saddam, is located in Kurdistan, (not under Saddam's control), among other refutations of Powell's ridiculous sham presentation before the UN

oh yeah.....what about the FACT that Bush had three chances to bomb Zarqawi before the war, but that didn't exactly fit in with their plans for the war

[TrustingDog]

5. these are the final test days...

they're feeling around to see how godamned stupid and sheeped we are, knowing they have the blowhorn mega-phone 'news' on their side, with a little bit of blip here and there. But since when does 'we' the people count for anything.

the players in this ugly mess go back in the day- look to runny's and Poppy's employee records.

We are being harvested.

[remfan]

6. The same "plant" that * said was too small, the same "plant"

that * decided NOT TO DESTROY prior to the invasion?

Pardon me while I go throw something through the wall.

(DU1) http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=564&forum=DCForumID61&archive=yes

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/020820/6/og9c.html (dead)

Tuesday August 20 2:01 PM EST

U.S. suspects extremists linked to al-Qaida tested biological weapons in Iraq

WASHINGTON (AP) - Islamic extremists may have tested chemical or biological weapons at a small facility in Kurdish-controlled northern Iraq, but U.S. officials decided it was not enough of a threat to justify taking military action, American officials said Tuesday.

The officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the group, known as Ansaw al-Islam, remains a serious concern, in part because of indications they are connected to the al-Qaida terrorist network.

<snip>

The United States considered a covert military operation against the suspected bio-weapons facility in northern Iraq, but President George W. Bush did not approve military action, ABC News' World News Tonight reported Monday.

Citing unidentified intelligence officials, ABC said that as U.S. surveillance of the weapons facility intensified, Bush administration officials concluded it was too small and crude to be worth risking American lives and the outcry among allies that might follow any U.S. action inside Iraq.

At the White House, a spokesman for Bush's National Security Council refused comment.

-snip-

The official who privately discussed U.S. knowledge of the facility said it was operated recently by a small number of people connected to terrorists in Ansar al-Islam. The official would not say whether the facility was still in operation.

U.S. intelligence agencies have no evidence that Saddam is linked to the operation, the official said.

[buycitgo]

9. beauty!!!!!!!! that's excellent; exactly what I was talking about

what Cheney constantly does here is to say that "we haven't found any evidence"

THEN he says that just cause there's no evidence, doesn't mean that there's no connection

he'd make a good prosector, wouldn't he?

gloria, of course, DID NOT say, well, if ALL your premises for going to war had NO EVIDENCE to back them up, WHY DID YOU INTITIATE A PREEMPTIVE WAR?

she is SO feckless.

remember, folks, that was a WAR of CHOICE! we were in ZERO danger from them at that point, and THEY KNEW IT

[remfan]

11. Heh-heh...I scoured the DU1 archives more than a year ago and

saved a shitload of threads from the run-up to this fiasco.

[buycitgo]

12. excellent! any way to find some stuff refuting this Zarqawi/AQ connection?

this is SUCH a bold stroke on their part, that it needs to be refuted, point by point

I'm glad I taped almost all of it.....cept for the very beginning

it's important to go after this plick lie for lie, evasion by evasion

he had the nerve to say to Gloria:

we NEVER said Saddam had anything to do with 911

and, of course, Gloria didn't go into how they were very careful NOT to explicitly make that link, but ALWAYS put the two together in connecting breaths, in successive sentences, making CERTAIN that the connection was made in the minds of the frightened, credulous masses, who STILL believe, as a majority, that Saddam WAS connected to 911.

did they ONCE say, before the war, that Saddam was NOT connected?


ONCE?

did you ask him about those last two points, Gloria? you vapid, hairtossing WHORE?

of course not

[remfan]

17. Nothing about Zarqawi, and they never came out and blatantly

said Iraq was involved in 9/11, but they most CERTAINLY alluded to a connection. And I have to say that reading over all these links again has reminded me of how extremely fucked up this whole thing was. The rhetoric they use is EXTREME and the PR is just blatant, and it must be noted that in nearly EVERY article I scanned the CIA says there is NO definitive proof of a connection, but that information is almost always at the END of the article.

August 2 2002

U.S. Returns to Theory of Iraq Link to Sept. 11

Despite deep doubts by the CIA and FBI, the White House is now backing claims that Sept. 11 skyjacker Mohamed Atta secretly met five months earlier with an Iraqi agent in the Czech capital, a possible indication that President Saddam Hussein's regime was involved in the terrorist attacks.

In an interview, a senior Bush administration official said that available evidence of the long-disputed meeting in Prague "holds up." The official added, "We're going to talk more about this case."

http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=26927&forum=DCForumID5&archive=yes

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=462&forum=DCForumID43&archive=yes

Iraq 'behind US anthrax outbreaks'

http://www.guardian.co.uk/waronterror/story/0,1361,573908,00.html

"American investigators probing anthrax outbreaks in Florida and New York believe they have all the hallmarks of a terrorist attack - and have named Iraq as prime suspect as the source of the deadly spores.
Their inquiries are adding to what US hawks say is a growing mass of evidence that Saddam Hussein was involved, possibly indirectly, with the 11 September hijackers.

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=1539&forum=DCForumID43&archive=yes

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5744,3183236%5E401,00.html

Proof of Iraq/Bin Laden links: report
From AFP November 04, 2001

A FORMER Iraqi special forces officer has given new proof of links between Saudi-born dissident Osama bin Laden and Iraq, according to a report.

The newspaper said that it was told by a leading member of the London-based Iraqi National Congress (INC), Nabeel Musawi, of the testimony of the 36-year-old former officer, identified only as A.S.

The INC is one of the main opposition groups to Saddam Hussein's government.

<snip>

The source also told of a meeting on the Pakistani border in December 1998 between an Iraqi diplomat working in Turkey and Osama bin Laden.

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=2373&forum=DCForumID61&archive=yes

http://www.reuters.com/news_article.jhtml?type=worldnews&StoryID=1449497

LONDON (Reuters) - British Prime Minister Tony Blair's promised dossier on Iraq is to reveal that Saddam Hussein trained some of Osama bin Laden's key lieutenants, The Sunday Telegraph reported.

The dossier is also expected to disclose that the Iraqi leader has reconstructed three plants to manufacture biological and chemical weapons, it said.

<snip>

The Sunday Telegraph said a draft version of the dossier contains detailed information on how two alleged leading al Qaeda members, Abu Zubair and Rafid Fatah, underwent training in Iraq and are still linked to the Baghdad government.

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http://www.democraticunderground.com/cgi-bin/duforum/duboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=3315&forum=DCForumID61&archive=yes

Rumsfeld: Evidence links Iraq, al Qaeda
Wednesday, September 25, 2002 Posted: 1:24 PM EDT (1724 GMT)

WARSAW, Poland (CNN) -- U.S. Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld told reporters Wednesday that U.S. intelligence has determined there is a link between Iraq and the al Qaeda terrorist network, but he refused to elaborate.

Rumsfeld said U.S. officials shared information linking Iraq and al Qaeda -- the terrorist network behind the September 11, 2001, attacks on New York and Washington -- with NATO defense ministers meeting in Poland.

"The deputy director of central intelligence briefed on that subject. I have no desire to go beyond saying the answer is yes," Rumsfeld told reporters. He was responding to a question about whether there was evidence linking Iraq to al Qaeda.

http://www.cnn.com/2002/US/09/25/us.iraq.alqaeda/index.html

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WASHINGTON (AP) - President Bush's national security adviser on Wednesday accused Iraqi President Saddam Hussein's regime of sheltering members of the al-Qaida terrorist network in Baghdad and helping Osama bin Laden's operatives in developing chemical weapons. snip

But Rice said, "There clearly are contacts between al-Qaida and Iraq that can be documented; there clearly is testimony that some of the contacts have been important contacts and that there's a relationship here."

She suggested that details of the contacts will be released later. snip

Rice said that much of the information is coming from al-Qaida operatives captured since the Sept. 11 attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon. This includes several senior leaders whom the U.S. alleges organized terrorist attacks.

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President Bush asserted a link yesterday between Iraqi leader Saddam Hussein and the al Qaeda terrorist network, saying he fears they will join forces and are already virtually indistinguishable.

"The danger is, is that they work in concert," Bush said. "The danger is, is that al Qaeda becomes an extension of Saddam's madness and his hatred and his capacity to extend weapons of mass destruction around the world."

The administration had begun deemphasizing claims of links between Hussein and global terrorism. Senior intelligence officials told The Washington Post this month that the CIA had not found convincing proof, despite efforts that included surveillance photos and communications intercepts.

U.S. officials have continued to hint at connections, however. Evidence linking Hussein to the Sept. 11 attacks could help erode reservations on Capitol Hill and among world powers about the justification for a U.S.-led invasion of Iraq.

[buycitgo]

7. Trusting Dog........you're right about that, for sure

he's calling out the media right now, saying they really blew it on this alqaeda saddam connection

saying that they're malicious in some cases

this interview SHOULD cook their goose, if MAINSTREAM media do their job and pick it apart the way it should be

meanwhile, fawning Gloria says "Mr. VP, I've NEVER seen you so exercised over something!" WRT to AlQaeda/Saddam

gee, gloria, ever hear the phrase "the lady doth protest too much?"
this time the lady is the veep, and they KNOW they're screwed if this big lie isn't allowed to fester

[buycitgo]

10. this is only a year old........refuting what Cheneyliar just said

wonder if Pincus cares to go over this joke of an interview

The president said some al Qaeda leaders had fled Afghanistan to Iraq and referred to one "very senior al Qaeda leader who received medical treatment in Baghdad this year." It was a reference to Abu Mussab Zarqawi, a Jordanian. U.S. intelligence already had concluded that Zarqawi was not an al Qaeda member but the leader of an unaffiliated terrorist group who occasionally associated with al Qaeda adherents, the sources said.

As for Bush's claim that Iraq had trained al Qaeda members in bomb-making and use of poisons and deadly gases, sources with knowledge of the classified intelligence estimate said the report's conclusion was that this had not been satisfactorily confirmed.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A19822-2003Jun21?language=printer

the rest of this very interesting article TEARS to PIECES other junta lies about AQ/Saddam connections

their boldness in repeating these already refuted HUGE LIES is stunning beyond comprehension

this is BY FAR their boldest stroke.

[Disturbed]

13. Dis-Info

This is designed to muddy the water. Chainy knows it's all lies but throws out this crap to confuse the issue so that the public just turns off thought to the topic entirely because it's too frustrating to think about and tires the few half operating grey cells of most Americans that aren't into detailed issues to begin with. This is a tactic often used.

[buycitgo]

14. just found some stuff

from Isikoff's summary article in Newsweek.

I remember reading this in the Chicago Tribune, too

Secret German records cast doubt on the Saddam-Al Qaeda connection. Plus, why Qatar is footing the legal bills for an ‘enemy combatant’ "Hundreds of pages of confidential German law-enforcement records raise new questions about the Bush administration's core evidence purporting to show solid links between Osama bin Laden's terror network and Saddam Hussein's regime.

The Voluminous German records, obtained by Newsweek, seem to undercut highly touted administration claims that Abu Mussab Al Zarqawi, a hardened Jordanian terrorist who once received medical treatment in Baghdad, was a key player in Al Qaeda.

In fact, the secret German records—compiled during interrogations with a captured Zarqawi associate—suggest that the shadowy Zarqawi headed his own terrorist group, called Al Tawhid, with its own goals and may even have been a jealous rival of Al Qaeda.

The captured associate, Shadi Abdallah, who is now on trial in Germany, told his interrogators last year that Zarqawi’s Al Tawid organization was one of several Islamist groups that acted “in opposition” to bin Laden’s Al Qaeda. At one point, Abdallah described how Zarqawi even vetoed the idea of splitting charity funds collected in Germany between Al Tawhid and Al Qaeda.

http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:kQunAoVPK_gJ:www-personal.umich.edu/~jrcole/zarqawi/zarqawi2.htm+isikoff+zarqawi+2003&hl=en&start=4&ie=UTF-8

more to come......the above site has other interesting articles, besides Isikiff's

wonder if he and Pincus will have anything to say about Cheney's lie-fest.....

[oldcoot]

15. One question she should ask

Why did the Bush administration fail to kill Zarqawi and wipe out his terrorist organization before the war? She could show him this NBC story from 2003: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4431601/ .

[librechik]

18. more rope

the undisclosed location is looking more and more like a federal prison for crashcart.