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Jabbery Donating Member (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 10:45 AM
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Are all Republicans Racists? Sadly, Yes
I have thought about this for a long time, and I'm prepared to take the heat for it, but I am convinced that ALL Republicans - without exception - are racists.

They may not actively admit it to themselves, but they are.

They will say "some of my best friends are black," but they lie.

They will point to the few sellout Toms like Rice, Powell, Sowell, etc., but they know those fools have sold their souls to racist white men for money and fame.

They will say an "Indian" or "Mexican" or "Chinese" family lives down the street, but that means nothing, except that they just admitted that they noticed that a minority family moved into the neighborhood.

I am a 40 year old white man from the deep south. I know about racism. I know that when the elevator door closes and only white Republican men are inside, the "N" word gets used. I know that when the car door closes, the "N" word and other racial epithets fly. They think I'm one of them - but I'm not. And their eyes bug out of their heads when I threaten them with brutal violence if I ever hear it again out of their sewer mouths (I'm a rather huge fellow).

I'm sorry, but it happened again today - and I'm now convinced more than ever that ALL Republicans are racists.

I have the size to fight back. Not all Americans do. Since the GOP began taking over my home state, the racism has come back in a big ugly way. I've never heard whites so confident in using racial epithets in my life until the Republicans surged here.

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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 10:47 AM
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1. I had a finance professor last month and he's a New-England.....
Republican. He's not racsist at all.

Nor are my neighbors who have been life time Repubs, but I'm trying to convince them to to vote for JK this fall!

Otherwise, 99% of Repugs are White Power Whores!
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boobooday Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 10:48 AM
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2. Yes, it is sad
But even if they aren't conscious of it, they are supporting a party that wages an active campaign against ALL THE USUAL SUSPECTS.

Women.

Minorities.

Gay and Lesbian.

They're SOOOOO predictable, but their only strategy for YEARS has been divide and conquer, and this is a key component. The sad thing is that they might not even all be totally racist, but they are racist enough to cynically use other people's racism to suit themselves.

http://www.wgoeshome.com
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alexwcovington Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 10:49 AM
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3. I'm sorry to hear that
It can only be described as sad.
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Tommy_Douglas Donating Member (242 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 10:49 AM
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4. You might say they're all ignorant...
A full on conservative has to be. It's such a narrow way to see the world.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 10:49 AM
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5. I Think Generalizing Like That is Dangerous
the enemy is a certain set of attitudes and pracices, not every member of the opposite party. Some Democrats are racist; some Republicans are not.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 10:54 AM
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 11:14 AM
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23. The National Socialists are Not the GOP
The Nazis had a short history and were founded for a specific hateful purpose. The Republican party party goes back to Lincoln and has as many different elements in that history as the Democratic party.

The DLC has wide influence in the party now. Clinton got NAFTA passed. Would you say all Democrats are labor-hating neoliberal freemarketers? Clinton bombed Iraq, Serbia, Sudan, and other places -- would you say all democrats support that kind of intervention?

There are lots of Republicans who are just as unhappy with parts of their party's platform. Most people will live with inconsistencies for years rather than change party identification.

The key now is to be able to see what issues will be the last straw that causes some Republicans to cross the aisle. The Plame affair might do it for some. Torture might do it for others.
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Jabbery Donating Member (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 11:25 AM
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31. But not euality under the law
There may be some Repugs who are unhappy with their party, but not because they have codified hatred into their platform.

My case is made.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 12:00 PM
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47. If Your Case Is Made, It's Pretty Weak
Outside of the fact of proving a negative, you seem to be generalizing from what you hear in an elevator in the deep South to every Republican in the country.

The Republican party has gone out of its way to appear nonracist -- that wouldn't be necessary if Republicans were all looking for a racist party to support. And Race is not THE key issue to everyone.

Some Republicans believe fiscal responsibility and balanced budgets. Those Republicans are potential converts. Others are libertarians who dislike social legislation. A lot of them are potential converts because of the Patriot Act and other Republican attacks on the bill of rights. Some are GOP because they see abortion as murder. (Those are probably NOT good converts.)

Others are just working from a different set of facts. On DU, every Republican outrage and misstep is cataloged in detail. On the other side of the fence, every Democratic misstep, hypocrisy, and idiocy is reported on and magnified. You and I may not feel that that's a representative picture of the party, but that's the point. People feel allegiance to a party out of their own perceptions and priorities. Allegiance to the GOP may have nothing to do with race.

It's just as ridiculous as claiming that all Marxists support mass murder because of Stalin.
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rock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 11:06 AM
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19. Although the race is not always to the swift,
nor the battle to the strong, that's the way to bet. I think the generalization may have exceptions, but they're mighty few.
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 10:50 AM
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6. What about Republicans that are themselves minorities?
They do exist.
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Jabbery Donating Member (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 10:53 AM
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8. Steppin Fetchit existed, too
They are a tiny, tiny fraction of the GOP - and each and every one of them is either a religious kook or a "not-in-my-backyard" nouveau riche sellout.
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 10:55 AM
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11. They are trying to belong or they are deceived by passion issues
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 11:05 AM
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18. No problem, it's called Internalized Racial Inferiority.
All sorts of folks will do all sorts of things that don't make much sense.
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Richardo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 11:09 AM
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21. But are they racists?
Is my question.
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 11:16 AM
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25. Is self hate "Hate"? Sure it is.
It's also understandable.
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Burma Jones Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 10:52 AM
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7. I figure that if you ain't worth a few million and yet are republican
Then the ONLY reason you got is racism.
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2Design Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 10:54 AM
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9. They are haters
They may tolerate some people who are of another race....but they hate a lot....

They hate anything they can not control, abuse, manipulate, use, etc.
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outinforce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 10:59 AM
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12. Your Own Feelings?
And your own personal feelings towards Republicans would be -- what?

Hatred, perhaps?
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Jabbery Donating Member (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 11:01 AM
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13. Never hate. Only truth.
The truth may hurt like hate, but Democrats never hate. It is codified in our platform, and any one who truly hates must leave. I'll be happy to personally kick their hating ass to the curb.
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outinforce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 11:05 AM
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16. Thanks. I'll Keep That In Mind
I'll also provide you with some names, from time to time, of people who proudly wear their hatred on their sleeves.

It's so good to hear that Democrats never hate -- and that it is codified within our platform!
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Jabbery Donating Member (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 11:19 AM
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27. Ever read the DNC Platform?
You ought to.
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outinforce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 11:24 AM
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30. I'll Re-Read It
at my earliest opportunity.

Do I detect just a soupcon of hostility?

I do hope that it is not motivated by any hatred.

I would hate to -- well, you know.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 01:50 PM
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109. Here's a link to the platform for easy access
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 11:58 AM
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46. Will you be tracking Repuke names too?
Or do you only monitor Dems?
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outinforce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 12:23 PM
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51. Posted To Any Other Threads....
using both of your screen names?

Recently?
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 01:22 PM
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73. We already know you track Dems
so I'm not surprised that you realize I've posted under two logins. I'm guessing that the fact that I'VE TOLD YOU that sangha and sangh0 are both me had something to do with it
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outinforce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 01:36 PM
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91. Whatever
Whatever are you talking about?

I monitor people??!!

It seems to me that earlier this afternoon, in another thread, you provided ample evidence that you have been tracking me.

I track no one.
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comsymp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 12:46 PM
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58. No need to track "Repuke names too", is there?
If they're *all* acknowledged to be haters already, it would seem like a singular waste of time, don'tcha think?
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outinforce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 01:59 PM
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118. "Kick Their Hating Ass To The Curb"??
You know, something just occured to me.

Isn't the act of kicking someone's "hating ass" to the curb a rather violent act?

And doesn't such a violent act reflect a certain amount of hostility?

And isn't hostility of that strength usually evidence of a fair amount of hatred?
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Jabbery Donating Member (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 02:05 PM
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126. Sort of like WWII?
Was war to stop Hitler a "hateful act?"

NO.

Get real. Some people just flat out need to be reminded that you can't run around saying the "N" word in public in an enlightened society.
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niceyoungman Donating Member (10 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 11:05 AM
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17. And Repulicans stereotype people?
My gosh, There is bad in every bunch. Bad Republicans, Bad Democrats, Bad priest, Bad politicians and so on. Dad gum shouldn't we all look at the majority of every group instead of the extreme. I am slightly on the right but I can see good on both sides. A country divided as much as this one might want to be careful because that is one of our enemies goals.
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TexasSissy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 11:02 AM
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14. But Repubs named 1st women to S.Ct., and
first black cabinet members (Rice & Powell). Not such a great record for the Dems in that regard.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 11:21 AM
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outinforce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 11:26 AM
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33. Rochester and Mammy?
Rice and Powell?

Is that what you want us to believe?
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yella_dawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 11:02 AM
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15. Everybody is racist.
It's a function of our culture, or possibly even human nature. Fear and hatred of the "different" people. Decent people spend their lives finding and eradicating these feelings when they surface. Assholes don't. I don't even know what my racial heritage is for sure, and I catch myself having disgusting thoughts based on complexion or accent at times. The right just doesn't realize that such feelings hurt everyone, not just a specific "different" person.

That's the only weapon to use against the self-important and selfish on the right. That kind of hate cuts both ways. I don't mean to imply that bigots suffer as much as their victims. Only that bigots damage themselves with their hate.

Unfortunately, defending the assertion that racism cuts both ways requires a lot more subtlety than the average right-winger can handle.





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truthspeaker Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 11:06 AM
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20. All? No. Most? Yes. Do they rely on votes from racists? Hell yes.
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 11:12 AM
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22. Thank you. Yes, you're correct.
I grew up believing in a color blind society, but there is no way to rationalize that it can happen in my lifetime. A "color blind society" is a pipe dream for liberals as a White dominated society is a Republican, conservative goal. They are so obsessed with fear about sharing this country that they're blind to their own hypocrisies. I have a brother-in-law that has been complaining for well over ten years that his job was going to be taken over by a black man. Well, not only does he still have the job, but he managed to get his son a job in the same company. Now the boy talks just like his dad. I'm sure the brother-in-law doesn't see his son's hiring as a perk, but I do.
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hlthe2b Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 11:15 AM
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24. Such talk is nasty, such talk is suggestive, but not necessarily....
Edited on Thu Jun-17-04 11:21 AM by hlthe2b
proof of racism, IMO. Stupid? yes... Reckless? yes. A sign of weakness in the face of "peer pressure?" yes.

But, it is action that speaks to proof of racism. I too grew up a large part of my life in the deep South. Also in the heart of the rural mid-West and now electively choose to live in the heart of the West. But, I remember many a person I had deep respect for in all of these places horrifying me with this kind of language growing up. (For what it is worth, I would hear similar repugnant language against other religions, other countries, people, even against New Yorkers!) But, I also remember some deeds of these same people that showed me what a paradox could really be. I remember the night one of these "foul-mouthed" people stopped in a freak blowing snowstorm to help a black family fix their car, stalled on the side of the rode-- a family traveling north from Florida, still wearing their shorts and flip flops.... I remember that person putting the father into a car with his own famiy to drive miles down the rode to find a service station that could help further, then following all back to make sure the family could wait in relative comfort at a truck stop while the car was dealt with. This occurred in the late 1960s when the civil rights era was just beginning to make the progress that would also result in tons of backlash, making the action all the more noteworthy. If I judged that particular person by the despiccable rhetoric (alone) that would come from his mouth on occasion, I would NEVER have believed that any good would come from him towards an African American. This was not the case.... This is only one example, but I have lived long enough to have witnessed many instances with others that leads me to believe action can belie their spoken word....


This is not to say you are not right in calling them on this vulgarity. Some may well be projecting their true racism, but even if they are not, we don't remove this kind of behavior without "calling them on it." I'm only suggesting that for some, the true belief and intent may be a bit more complex than one might guess ...
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indigo32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 11:18 AM
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26. I am always weary of stereotyping people
and I think we cheapen the meaning of racism, which is a huge problem, when we stereotype people with it.
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Jabbery Donating Member (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 11:23 AM
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29. Stereotyping those who stereotype?
Fighting racism does not make you a stereotyper. If it does, then I proudly stereotype all racists as being racists.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 11:28 AM
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indigo32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 12:15 PM
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48. Fine... fight racism
hell fight Republicanism (I do all the time). But not all Republicans are Racist and not all Racists are Republican. When you say they are... you ARE stereotypoing IMO.
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MissB Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 11:25 AM
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32. No, all Republicans aren't racist.
Just like all Democrats aren't all tolerant. Blanket assumptions don't work.
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MAlibdem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 11:27 AM
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34. I had a Republican tell me...
"I'm not a racist, I only hate Mexicans"

I laughed for some time, then felt sorry for her.
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sleepystudent Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 11:29 AM
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36. oh please...
Edited on Thu Jun-17-04 11:29 AM by sleepystudent
Sometimes I think this is of a piece of people who dis the South as if all the racism and prejudice in the world is contained in one group of people and since they are not that person, they are not racist or prejudiced. Its a backhanded way of patting oneself on the back and not working on oneself. Saying that they are the ones with the problem and I am perfect and they need to be fixed. There is racism among "progressives", nearly as much as in conservatives and Republicans, it just takes a different form IMO. But everyone is more interested in identifying and denouncing the prejudice in others than looking inside themselves, which is more difficult and disturbing. Work on yourself, is my advice.

And saying since you dealt with a racist Republican a few times, all Republicans are racist, is just lazy thinking. You don't know all Republicans. How do you explain Republicans that are voting for Kerry this year? Or Reagan Democrats? I'm black and even I don't think all Republicans are racists-EVERYONE is to some extent.
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outinforce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 11:30 AM
Response to Reply #36
38. GASP!
For once, I am truly speechless.
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sleepystudent Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 11:51 AM
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42. What the hell is that supposed to mean? (eom)
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sangh0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 12:21 PM
Response to Reply #42
50. It means you interefered with the Crusade
to find extreme positions amongst Democrats and liberal in order to prove that Dems, like the Repukes, are hypocrits
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outinforce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 12:25 PM
Response to Reply #50
52. I Am Not Quite Sure
which of you to address here.

To sangh0: You have no idea what I meant, so I would greatly appreciate it if you would not try.

To sangha: Before you post something in this thread, see the above advice to sangh0, if you don't mind.
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outinforce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 12:26 PM
Response to Reply #42
53. It Means
that I was taken away with the majesty of sleepystudent's use of the English language.

Why?

What did YOU think I meant????
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sleepystudent Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 12:38 PM
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55. I don't know what you meant...
and I still don't, so that's why I asked. It sound(s)(ed) very backhanded and snarky. But let's drop it, since it has nothing to so with the thread.
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outinforce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 12:40 PM
Response to Reply #55
56. I Meant It
as a sincere compliment.

Really.

Your post was a refreshing bit of sanity.

For me anyway.
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comsymp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 12:50 PM
Response to Reply #56
61. Ditto the *gasp*
And for the same reasons- beautiful, eloquently crafted piece of much-needed logic.

We could use more of it around here.
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JayS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 11:29 AM
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37. Very few Republicans are racists. Very few Democrats are racists.
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dawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 12:55 PM
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63. I wouldn't go that far ...
Here in the south, I'd say a majority of the people (close to 90%) who vote Republican ARE racist. Probably 20-30% of the people around here who vote Democratic are racist as well.
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JayS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 01:21 PM
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71. I can't say one way or the other with any authority. I am in the...
...most enlightened part of the State of Texas so overt racism is pretty much an unknown for me. I kind of like it this way. :)

I am sure you heard about the lawsuit against Southwest Airlines over the flight attendant that had no idea she was using a racist rhyme? It was kind of funny in a hopeful sort of way.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 01:56 PM
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117. Also from the South and I agree
Even though most deny it, after enough discussion of issues, when you get down to brass tacks, they'll admit it. Even some Democrats. :(
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ArkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 01:59 PM
Response to Reply #63
119. Wow, impressive facts. How about the ones that don't vote?
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Susang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 11:31 AM
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39. Its very dangerous to use phrases like "all Republicans are..."
Don't you think? Its pretty presumptious to judge all people's morality based on their political party affiliation, no matter how much you may disagree with them or their party's positions.

I happen to be friends with a couple of people who call themselves Republican. We may fight like cats and dogs on a lot of issues, but it is patently unfair to paint them all with the same brush. You'd hate it if Republicans did the same to us.

And you know what? Racism exists in the Democratic party as well, big time. Don't fool yourself into thinking its just "them".
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 11:40 AM
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40. Reagan started the "Southern Strategy"
"ROGER WILKINS: Well, every once in a while Reagan would just send out these laser beam signals that were crystal clear. His first speech in his campaign in 1980 was in Philadelphia, Mississippi, which nobody outside of Mississippi had ever heard of except for one thing and that was that three civil rights workers were killed there in 1964. Reagan said then I'm for states rights. If you say I'm for states rights in Mississippi, everybody knows what you're talking about. Some years later he went to Atlanta and he said Jefferson Davis is a hero of mine. Everybody knows what you're talking about then, too. He went to Charlotte, North Carolina, where the first federal court ordered the first bussing remedy and he said, I'm against bussing. So....

"

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comsymp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 12:54 PM
Response to Reply #40
62. Actually, not
IIRC, it was Nixon and his folks who coined the term (at least in the political context), responding to Southern Dems' dissatisfaction with LBJ's Civil Rights legislation...
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 01:36 PM
Original message
Nixon may have coined the term
but Reagan was making it a political reality, apparently without a "term" at the time. In any event, Reagan was a leading proponent of letting the Southern whites know that the Republican Party was ready and willing to be on their side on racial and other issues.
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comsymp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 01:53 PM
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114. I think we may be talking past each other
Edited on Thu Jun-17-04 01:55 PM by comsymp
You referred to Raygun's strategy in 1980, with the statement that he *started* the Southern Strategy (in pandering to the racist vote in the South)- I was referring to Nixon's 1968 campaign in which he *also* played the States' Rights/race card as part of his focus on co-opting the previously Democratic South. Agreed that Raygun certainly practiced it too, just saying that it had been going on for 12+ years by the time he challenged Carter, and that Nixon, not Raygun, was the guy who got the ball rolling... although an argument can easily be made for Thurmond and the Dixiecrats in '48.
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hiphopnation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 11:50 AM
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41. this is sloppy thought
Edited on Thu Jun-17-04 11:51 AM by hiphopnation23
i think enough posters here have pointed out why.

Re-think your premise and, if I may suggest, affix your vitriol towards intolerance, bigotry, and racism where ever they may rear thier ugly heads and not to an entity as narrow as a political party. This, in and of itself, is a form of bigotry.
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cmf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 11:55 AM
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43. I think that many of the beliefs and values that makes one a Republican
are the same that makes one a racist.

Lack of empathy to other's hardships is one. Ignorance of the world at large is another. Close-mindedness and an unwillingness to accept change.

So, I do think that most Republicans have racist tendencies, because the mindsets overlap significantly. I know a couple exceptions to the rule personally. People who I know who have stood up to others' racist views, and happen to be Republican. But that's only two people out of a whole bunch of Republicans that I know.
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AngryAmish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 11:56 AM
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44. You are right
Edited on Thu Jun-17-04 11:56 AM by AngryAmish
That is why they must be crushed. Fight them at every turn.
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 11:56 AM
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45. I agree
And I'm not talking as if racist means they want to lynch all black people from trees - but racist in the sense that they wouldn't shed a tear if that were to happen.

Republicans tend to be scared little people, with small brains and small sex organs.
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ArkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 12:17 PM
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49. I've lived my whole life in the south and I have two questions.
1) I've never heard a southerner (of any size or level of education) threaten anyone with 'brutal violence' so I would like to know the exact words you use to threaten lurking white republicans.

2) How do you tell the political affiliation of caucasian elevator passengers?


I do hate it when republicans surge, however. They did it in a neighborhood near where I live a couple of years ago and it took weeks to clean up the mess!
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 01:59 PM
Response to Reply #49
120. I've never heard a southerner ... threaten anyone with 'brutal violence' "
You must not get out much.
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Jabbery Donating Member (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 02:02 PM
Response to Reply #120
122. I'm always out and about
And I never threaten anyone with anything - unless they use the "N" word in my presence, which is happening more and more in the GOP south. That's when I get like Ed Begley, Jr. at an oil spill - the gates are down and the lights are flashing but there's no train coming......

Hats off to MC Hawking for that line.
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Jabbery Donating Member (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 02:03 PM
Response to Reply #120
124. I'm always out and about
And I never threaten anyone with anything - unless they use the "N" word in my presence, which is happening more and more in the GOP south. That's when I get like Ed Begley, Jr. at an oil spill - the gates are down and the lights are flashing but there's no train coming......

Hats off to MC Hawking for that line.
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TSElliott Donating Member (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 12:35 PM
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54. Good for you.
Nice to see that you have such a big brush, but lets not stop there I also think that we should add all rapists, child molesters, homophone's, womanizers, bigots and retards to the list of what all Republicans are. I mean we can actually blame all the bad things in society on one group of people how great is that.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 02:00 PM
Response to Reply #57
121. "the idiot Democrat union workers "
Oops!

Did you just out yourself accidentally there?

lol
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Catherine Vincent Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 12:47 PM
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59. Thank you for your awareness.
And I appreciate you calling them out on it. And thank you for being a Democrat!:-) My bf (who is bi-racial) hears and sees a lot from caucasians. They don't realize that he is bi-racial. Sometimes he'll tell me some of the things that was said, it used to make me mad but I figure... what can be done? Nothing. Some people never change.

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geniph Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 12:48 PM
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60. You threaten people with physical violence for using words?
Seems a bit of an overreaction - not to mention illegal - to me. The proper response to offensive words is more words, not escalation.
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Jabbery Donating Member (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 12:55 PM
Response to Reply #60
64. I assure you - you'd stop
I'm not a violent man in any way. Ever. But let's just say that if you used the "n" word in my presence, I would provide you with ample incentive never to do it again. Be sure that my responses to hearing white Republicans using racial epithets always consists of words.

Strong, loud, frightening, terrifying words.
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ArkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 01:22 PM
Response to Reply #64
72. So, you must be bigger and badder than the whole rest of the world!
Edited on Thu Jun-17-04 01:25 PM by ArkDem
I bet if you went on national tv you could end racism right then!!

If not from fear of your massive size then from fear of your overwhelming intellect!
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Jabbery Donating Member (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 01:24 PM
Response to Reply #72
75. Just badder than Republicans
Never met one I couldn't easily put in the dirt.
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ArkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 01:30 PM
Response to Reply #75
85. How about Ahnold?
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Raskolnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 01:31 PM
Response to Reply #72
87. That's funny.
I'm always a little suspect of people bragging about how physically impressive they are while chatting on an internet message board.

Its kind of like bragging about how many girls you've slept with...in Canada. Sure it MIGHT be true, but it is conveniently beyond the reach of actual proof.

Sadly, this hulking gentleman seems to be confusing the worst of the bunch with the bulk. That's a lazy mistake that I hate conservatives for making, and I don't want to do the same thing.
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JayS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 01:50 PM
Response to Reply #64
112. If you used the "N" word in my presence I would...
...feel sorry for you. The few people I have known that are truly racists seem to have such a miserable existence that I can't help but pity them.

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noonwitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 12:55 PM
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65. I don't think all republicans are racist-maybe most, but not all
I can think of a few who aren't, but they are not currently holding any office or are dead.

1. Former Michigan Governor William Milliken.
2. Former Mass. Governor William Weld.
3. The late Richard Nixon-he may have been a lot of things, but he was a Quaker at heart and supported civil rights' legislation.
4. Bill Laimbeer, still my favorite Piston of all times.
5. Bill Brooks, a former GM exec who ran for Mayor of Detroit in 2001. He was the only candidate who would state honestly that the biggest problem in Detroit is poverty and all other problems stem from that. Non of the Democrats were willing to say that.
6. Former President Gerald Ford.
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Jabbery Donating Member (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 01:03 PM
Response to Reply #65
66. Remember the transcipts?
Nixon redacted the "N" word literally hundreds of times from the transcripts of the tapes. Once the tapes came out, it was as if the man was head of the Klan, not the GOP.

But then I consider them inextricably linked.

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dawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 01:07 PM
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67. They are not "all" racists - some are just greedy sonsabitches ...
Some are sweet little old ladies who vote Republican because they think God wants them to. Some are single-issue voters who base their vote entirely on abortion or gun-rights. Some are fearful folks who've been conned into thinking only "tough-guy" republicans will defend them. And last, but not least, some of them are just plain-old ignorant and uninformed.

All republican women are not frigid and all republican men do not have small penises.

Many of them love their country just as much as we do.

And, on a personal note, thinking that you can throw your weight around more 'cause you are a big guy is a recipe for disaster - and I say that as a friend who is on your side. (Easy, big fella :scared: )
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Jabbery Donating Member (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 01:18 PM
Response to Reply #67
69. The bigger disater
Thanks, but the recipe for a much bigger disaster is to alllow Republicans to spew racist hate without correecting them - by whatever means is needed. All that is necessary for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing.
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dawg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 01:24 PM
Response to Reply #69
76. Oh, don't get me wrong ...
I admire your willingness to speak-up. I just think you need to be less threatening and violent about it. Defend yourself if you have to, but don't threaten people. It exposes you, unnecessarily, to all sorts of negative consequences. B-)
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Jabbery Donating Member (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 01:27 PM
Response to Reply #76
81. Fair enough
Don't get me wrong - I didn't use the "fighting words" first. The "N" word is the ULTIMATE fighting word - and I will stand up to anyone who uses it around me. Otherwise, you'd probably never be able to motivate me to consider violence.
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 01:17 PM
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68. Now that's just ridiculous
100%? Every single god-damned Republican in existence? Get real.
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Jabbery Donating Member (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 01:21 PM
Response to Reply #68
70. You bet. Every last one of them.
They support their party, don't they?

Were there any good hearted Nazis?

Of course not. They had to be crushed and forced to repent.
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Susang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 01:26 PM
Response to Reply #70
79. Sorry, you just lost
The first person to use the Nazi/Hitler argument automatically loses the debate.

Thank you, try again.
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Jabbery Donating Member (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 01:30 PM
Response to Reply #79
84. Nope. Can't lose
Defend racism - and you automatically lose. I win, no matter what.

Just like my tag line - Democrats always win the war. Comparing modern Republicans to their rightful influences is just as righteous and standing up to those who use the "N" word.

Sorry for ya.

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Susang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 01:39 PM
Response to Reply #84
96. Poor logic always loses
Let's say "Bob" is a racist. Bob is a Republican. Bob is also a blonde. Using your logic, this would mean that all blondes are also racists.

Don't feel sorry for me, I managed to get through Logic 101 in college. Save some pity for the poor blondes you've just condemned to being virulent racists.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 01:42 PM
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Susang Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 01:52 PM
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113. First time I've ever been called a Freeper on this board!
Thank you, I will treasure this moment for years to come.

I suggest that if you decide you wish to remain on DU, you purchase this book: Asking the Right Questions:A Guide to Critical Thinking, Seventh Edition, by M. Neil Browne & Stuart M. Keeley. It might keep you from such black and white thinking, pun intended.
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Raskolnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 01:56 PM
Response to Reply #113
116. They'll show you if you ask nicely...
Don't you understand that Democrats patented decency and morality in the 30's? They keep the paperwork at party headquarters.

Why won't you admit that ANYONE who doesn't accuse ALL Republicans of being racist, homophobic Nazis, then you must be a Freeper? Its only logical, really?
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outinforce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 02:02 PM
Response to Reply #113
123. Take It From Me, Susang
Edited on Thu Jun-17-04 02:03 PM by outinforce
It hurts worst the first time.

After that, I usually just consider the source.

After, of course, following DU's advice on what to do with such posts.

That advice is found here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/forums/rules.html#civility

4th paragraph.
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redqueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 02:04 PM
Response to Reply #113
125. He said you were using freeper logic
he did not call you a freeper.
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outinforce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 01:43 PM
Response to Reply #84
101. Robert Byrd
was once a member of the KKK.

Do you want to defend him?

The Democrats filibustered against the 1964 Civil Rights Act.

Want to defend them?
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Jabbery Donating Member (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 01:46 PM
Response to Reply #101
103. Don't have to.
The party changed its platform in 1964 and Byrd publicly repented of his behavior (Thurmond never did, BTW).

The followers of the Democrats who filibustered the Civil Rights Act of 1964 became - yes, that's right - Republicans.

Makes my job easy.

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outinforce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 01:49 PM
Response to Reply #103
108. Care to Defend Your Use of the "B" Word?
I think anyone who uses the "B" word (it rhymes with "witch") in a way other than to describe a female dog is a sexist.

Care to defend yourself?
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 01:48 PM
Response to Reply #84
107. You remind me of another idi--, er, poster on DU
He came on here with five posts and trumpeted to the Board about "winning" his first debate. And then, in the face of an tidal wave of logical, well-informed refutation, he persisted in this "I won!" meme. Hmmm, are you baaaack??

All I can say is, your debate method won't get you very far in the real world, where things are not all black and white.

And by the way, my significant other of 18 years is Black, and he does consider "Uncle Tom" to be racist.
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Terran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 01:37 PM
Response to Reply #70
93. Your reply proves my point.
They support their party, don't they?

Racism is not part of the Republican Party platform. Therefore, supporting the Party does not guarantee racism on the part of the Party member. A lot of Republicans are racist; a lot aren't. The two are not inherently related. If they were, all racists would be Republican, and they're not. I know a few Democrats who are racist.

Were there any good hearted Nazis?

Of course there were. And good-hearted Baathists, and good-hearted Fascists. People join political parties to get ahead, and sometimes to survive. It doesn't mean all Republicans are racist, any more than it means all nazis were anti-semitic. You have an extremely limited view of history.

Finally, my personal acquaintance with numerous Republicans who are not racists proves that your post is a piece of worthless flame-bait.
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Liberal Classic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 01:24 PM
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74. Re: sellout Toms
They will point to the few sellout Toms like Rice, Powell, Sowell, etc., but they know those fools have sold their souls to racist white men for money and fame.

I wonder will the left wing ever accept that a minority could be a conservative for their own reasons, without resorting to the tired old Uncle Tom canard? The other day I heard conservative women referred to as "Stepford Wives" which seems to me to be a similar thing.

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Jabbery Donating Member (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 01:25 PM
Response to Reply #74
77. Quack like a Tom, must be a Tom
Let 'em show some principle and maybe the "canard" will fly away.
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Liberal Classic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 01:41 PM
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98. This post exemplifies the racism inherent in crying Uncle Tom

Must be because they have you to look out for them.

The implication is that minorites who happen to be conservative need someone to look out for them. Why? They are somehow incapable of making the right decision on their own.

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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 01:42 PM
Response to Reply #92
99. I sometimes get depressed about the tone of debate at DU
But then I realize there are hundreds who post here who can disagree with a fellow conservative without implying freeper-hood.

Bryant
Check it out --> http://politicalcomment.blogspot.com
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outinforce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 01:46 PM
Response to Reply #92
102. Truth's A WHAT?
I think that anyone -- anyone -- who uses the "B" word in the way you have is a sexist.

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Jabbery Donating Member (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 01:47 PM
Response to Reply #102
105. No - dog lover
As Al Franken says, You Assume - you make an ass out of Uma Thurman.
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outinforce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 01:50 PM
Response to Reply #105
110. A Dog Lover?
Truth is a dog lover?

Truth is a female dog?

What does that mean?
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Shopaholic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 01:27 PM
Response to Reply #74
80. I live in South Carolina
in an affluent suburb and I can tell you that I've been called "n. . . . . lover" when people found out that I was a white Democrat. Sad, but true. I have been flat-out told by Repugs here that they're Republican because they're against the blacks, hispanics, etc. They truly believe that.
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Liberal Classic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 01:30 PM
Response to Reply #80
86. What did I not say
I didn't say that racism doesn't exist. There are still whites who hate blacks, there are still blacks that hate jews, etc, etc.

What I did say is that it is unfair to portray any minorty conservative as a sellout. This is condescending and elitist.

If you're going to call someone an Uncle Tom, might as well go whole hog and call them a race traitor.

I find it sickening.
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ArkDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 01:28 PM
Response to Reply #74
82. Watch OUT!!!
The fat guy is gonna threaten you!!!!
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Liberal Classic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 01:35 PM
Response to Reply #82
90. Sorry mate
I don't quite follow.

All I gotta say is "bring it on, fatso"

:evilgrin:
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Liberal Classic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 01:39 PM
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94. You're very welcome
I wholeheartedly agree. Calling someone an Uncle Tom is itself racist, because it implies that they are not capable of making their own decisions.

I think some of these people calling Uncle Tom need to take a long hard look in the mirror.
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Jabbery Donating Member (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 01:40 PM
Response to Reply #94
97. Looked. Stand by it.
The image says I stand by what I wrote.
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Jabbery Donating Member (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 01:39 PM
Response to Reply #89
95. It's called morality and self-interest
These are wonderful concepts 90+ percent of all African-Americans perfectly understand. When you have served African-Americans and worked alongside them for as many years as I have, perhaps then you'll have the wisdom to understand these things.
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sleepystudent Donating Member (171 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 01:47 PM
Response to Reply #95
104. I am black...
and I have served "them" and worked with "them" as well as grown up with "them" my whole life. So I know what I am talking about.

And I love this whole "I will kick your ass if you use the "N" word in mot presence" line. Again, I suspect you are doing this to feel better about yourself or out of some guilt-I don't know. But the "N' word is just the tip of the iceberg. If you are so anti-racism( good for you) then realize that racism is more systemic than a word thrown out from a passing vehicle. What are you doing to end economic inequality, police brutality, inequities in health care, racism in the justice system, racism in housing, blacks being denied the right to vote etc.? There are so many other things you could be doing instead of threatening to kick someone's ass over a word. And I would assume if your heart is in the right place and you are sincere, you would actually be doing things to help "them". But, hell, I don't know, maybe all you want to do is provoke fights and see "those racists over there" back down and walk off with a self-satisfied smile on your face.
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Jabbery Donating Member (238 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 01:55 PM
Response to Reply #104
115. Genius!
Yeah, gee, I guess you're right. I should just let Republicans spew racist invective and never say a word. Hell, I just encourage them, right? Laugh right along with them, eh? That'd show 'em.

My 20 years of service to the African-American community means nothing and I should just shrug when Republicans, emboldened by talk radio and FOX and necons and posts like yours, use the "N" word to describe Maynard Jackson. Right?

Remember this post the next time you complain about white racism. All that's necessary for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing.
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outinforce Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 02:06 PM
Response to Reply #115
127. "All That's Necessary"
for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing?

Good men?

I guess that if you are someone who uses the "B" word (rhymes with witch), then you would also feel comfortable excluding women.

And isn't that sexist?
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Liberal Classic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 01:47 PM
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106. So you're suggesting the remaining 10% are immoral?
Or are they just on the payroll of "The Man."

I am stunned by the level of condescention you portray.

The last census estimate something like 35-40 african americans in this country. Just using your guesstimate of ten percent that is 3 to 4 million.

All of these are Uncle Toms?

:puke:
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Raskolnik Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 01:25 PM
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78. Bullshit. Pure bullshit.
Sure some Republicans are racist. You want me to let you in on a secret? Some Democrats are racist as well.

I think that the majority of racists are Republican but the majority of Rebpublicans are not necessarily racist. Certainly not all.

When you take these demonstrably false, and rather ridiculous positions, it just ignores the complexity of the issue and falls into convenient stereotypes.

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indepat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 01:29 PM
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83. I suspect closet-Rethug racists number in the god-zillions, especially
among those born-again self-professed "Christians" who purportedly love Jesus, but holistically support an Administration whose actions are largely antithetical to every principle Jesus taught. Can someone shed light on their oxymoronic behavior and beliefs?
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WilliamPitt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 01:50 PM
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111. Wrong
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Moderator DU Moderator Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jun-17-04 02:06 PM
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128. Locking
this has gotten too ugly and too full of PAs
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